Pricing for Alder Lake leaks, and it looks like it can burn a hole in your wallet

Geralt

Posts: 668   +971
I don't like my CPUs to double as space heaters. No thanks.

I'll stick with AMD's more efficient, cooler running design. My 5600X is phenomenal paired with the RTX 2060.

And, frankly, I don't see the point in upgrading the CPU in the near term anyway since there's no way to get a new more powerful GPU at MSRP. I'm GPU limited even with the 5600x. 🤷‍♂️ I need to look at recent benchmarks to be sure but I don't know if even a 3080 would outpace the 5600x...
I have a Radeon 6900XT paired with a Ryzen 3950. I never felt/feel CPU limited. My card is more powerful than the 3080, so here you have it. I know that, gaming wise, there is no difference between the Ryzen 5800 and the Ryzen 5950. You don't need so many cores. You have 6 cores, and I guess that it is enough punch for any current GPU. Check.

And yes, it also depends on the resolution you are playing at. At 4K, there is no problem with modern CPU's, but at lower resolutions the CPU can become a bottleneck. But I guess that your CPU cannot become a bottleneck with games at this time. If I am mistaken, someone please correct me.
 

Kosmoz

Posts: 419   +749
Both Intel and AMD cpus will be expensive. I'll just play mobile games instead.
And you eyes will thank you staring in that little screen close to your face for hours... The thank you note will come in X number of years, depending on various factors, but will come nonetheless.
 

Kosmoz

Posts: 419   +749
For 741 euros, that I9 better deliver some big punch. I mean single AND multi core supremacy, supremacy meaning 15-20% better than previous Intel gen and AMD`s best, which I doubt it. It`s still cheaper than 5950x (819 MSRP euros), so if that`s the case it will be well worth it.
Even if it turn out to be "cheaper" than 5950x (we will see), the platform itself is much more expensive [MB, DDR5, better cooler, better PSU(?)] so in the end you will probably pay up more.
 

Irata

Posts: 1,741   +2,914
Even if it turn out to be "cheaper" than 5950x (we will see), the platform itself is much more expensive [MB, DDR5, better cooler, better PSU(?)] so in the end you will probably pay up more.
This - AM4 is now a mature and cheap platform. A 5600X has very low peak power consumption, so if you aim for ‚bang for buck‘ you can build a very capable gaming system using a dirt cheap B520 or B450 board and cooling (even the boxed cooler).

That‘s the important advantage of efficient designs - not the savings when it comes to your electricity bill but the fact that everything else in your system can be cheaper.
 

Farkinell

Posts: 192   +300
The higher the resolution the less CPU matters so it depends on what res you're playing at. I think 5600X will just about handle a 3080.

I have a 5600X (chosen for the thermals, price and fast ST performance) coupled with a 3080 Ti and it’s not CPU limited at 4K in the slightest, and likely won’t be for a very long time.
 

Tantor

Posts: 205   +375
Intel just threw a bunch of cores against the wall to see what sticks.

The entire lineup has more cores and threads than the 5800x. Even the i5-12600K is a 10 core.

I'll laugh if the 5950x beats their i9-12900K in MT.
 

Alfatawi Mendel

Posts: 147   +233
AMD raises prices on their 5000 series CPU's. All hell breaks loose in the tech press.
Intel raises prices on its 12 series CPU's. Barely a murmur. (But they 'might' be a bargain)
You could be forgiven for thinking that somethin' is goin' on around here.
 

Mr Majestyk

Posts: 870   +768
Me too. If AMD continues to perform like now, I plan to take refuge in Ryzen for a long long time :cool:

I will support AMD because we need strong competition. Rewarding Intel because they now finally have a competitive CPU is entirely wrong. If not for AMD we would still be on 14nm+++++++++++++, and seeing 2-3% IPC uplifts from Intel. The fact that Intel is already pricing their first decent CPU in 5 years in the stratosphere defies belief and shows they have not been humbled, they have not learned any lessons. To me they deserve contempt. AMD are no angels and might act the same in the same position, but for now I will fully support them. We actually need a third player, alas Apple is so self-absorbed and even more rapacious than Intel they are of no help at all.
 

Rdmetz

Posts: 316   +150
I wouldn't sweat it, we are never gonna get these chips at MSRP anyways.
Scum bag scalpers will buy them up, charge 3x 4x what there worth.

Pretty simple solution. Flog the scalpers
I've bought almost every must have piece of silicon in the last 5 years and never once had to pay a scalper. And no, no bots either.

You just need to get better at knowing how to play the game.
 

Rdmetz

Posts: 316   +150
I don't like my CPUs to double as space heaters. No thanks.

I'll stick with AMD's more efficient, cooler running design. My 5600X is phenomenal paired with the RTX 2060.

And, frankly, I don't see the point in upgrading the CPU in the near term anyway since there's no way to get a new more powerful GPU at MSRP. I'm GPU limited even with the 5600x. 🤷‍♂️ I need to look at recent benchmarks to be sure but I don't know if even a 3080 would outpace the 5600x...

If you game at 4k a 3080 is fine match to a 5600x I built a friend a system with both and he's always gpu limited.
 

Norsiiii

Posts: 85   +110
The higher the resolution the less CPU matters so it depends on what res you're playing at. I think 5600X will just about handle a 3080.
Just about handle?? A 5600X will handle a 3080 to its full potential in absolutely everything. Any games that run with sufficient ease that they become CPU bound in the first place are not going to be one where any marginal framerate differences are relevant anyway - ie, 200 fps vs 220 fps - who cares?

On any heavy enough games where GPU is pushed to its limits and you really do want all the frames you can get (ie, 50 vs 55fps) none of them are CPU bound at all, and performance will be for all intents and purposes identical to even a 5900X, as confirmed by all of the testing.

Even in MSFS 2020 the performance of a 5600X vs 5800X, 5900X and 5950X were all within 2% of eachother with a fricken RTX 3090 at 1440p per TomsHardware (and the 5600X wasn't even the lowest of them)...
 

Bobbydpue

Posts: 226   +147
Thanks but no, thanks. Don't need a 500W CPU.
That's hyperbole.
I will support AMD because we need strong competition. Rewarding Intel because they now finally have a competitive CPU is entirely wrong. If not for AMD we would still be on 14nm+++++++++++++, and seeing 2-3% IPC uplifts from Intel. The fact that Intel is already pricing their first decent CPU in 5 years in the stratosphere defies belief and shows they have not been humbled, they have not learned any lessons. To me they deserve contempt. AMD are no angels and might act the same in the same position, but for now I will fully support them. We actually need a third player, alas Apple is so self-absorbed and even more rapacious than Intel they are of no help at all.

I buy the best products I can afford and I don't care who made them. Intel was on 14++++++ for so long because their foundry couldn't keep up with their designs. AMD sold their foundry and paid TSMC to make their CPU's while TSMC turned down Intel because they didn't want to spent the money increasing capacity for a customer that might not need them after their contract was completed.
 

Bamda

Posts: 270   +133
Hey, I mean that TSMC tax ain't cheap and Intel is not going to eat that cost. I feel one of those Zen moments coming on. LOL
 

Tom Sunday

Posts: 64   +9
I buy the best products I can afford and I don't care who made them. AMD sold their foundry and paid TSMC to make their CPU's while TSMC turned down Intel because they didn't want to spent the money increasing capacity for a customer that might not need them.

All very good points and which hit realty square on the head. Was glad to see that Intel has come home to Arizona and one step closer away from our dependency from our so called friends from Asia.