Radeon RX 5600 XT vs. GeForce GTX 1060 6GB vs. GTX 1070: 32 Game Benchmark

Theinsanegamer

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For somebody like me, that is still using an eVGA GTX970, going for a 5600XT seems like quite an upgrade.
Dont go 5600xt, find the extra $30-40 for a 5700. The 8GB VRAM buffer will give it a significantly longer lifespan.

Sure, games are not using it now, but remember, the next gen of consoles starts this year, and with them comes a significant increase in RAM usage. That 6GB buffer is going to get real ugly real quick, RDR2 is a hint of future performance.

AMD really kneecapped the 5600xt by using the 5700 die, its just too close in price.

p.s. I only watched 3 min of the vid so far, he's using a vega 64..... It looks like he doesn't even know enough to disable hardware acceleration as per driver notes for last like 4 months? This vid is painful to watch trying to get through it. Ok I'm 9 min in, he's showing forum posts from like 2017. Gonna fast forward see if he ever says anything useful.

I followed some simple steps offered to me on another forum, I deleted everything in my AMD\CNext besides aticlxx. Used task manager end process to close down anything that got in the way. Removing Radeon settings(formerly know as Wattman). managed to do more OCing in 3 hours then I had in days fighting wattman. Warning I have no idea if this will screw up your comp.

Most people really don't use the UI, they just want to game. You can use reshade in place of radeon settings image sharp. They should scrap Radeon settings. Maybe give us a simple image sharpening toggle, anti lag toggle, radeon boost toggle. No overlay, all that other buggy nonsense. There are plenty of free programs to stream, share blablah with.

Driver notes have shown overlay issues, relive issues, hardware accel issues, stuttering, monitor hz bugs. Profiles that load on top of eachother. Settings that get stuck even with a driver reinstall. All for what to push a UI that is dragging down their rep?

I'm not any kind of expert, this is just some guess from how my 5700 non xt seems to behave. Fighting with driver for the last 5 months.

p.s.s. If I had a second computer next to I'd do a clean windows install no optional updates. Install with optional updates. Install radeon drivers with and with settings deleted as shown above. To see what happens. Someone needs to give us a clear workaround. I know someone knows lol
Ok, but nvidia users dont have to disable things in their driver to make their cards behave correctly. That's kind of the point, WHY has it been a note to disable hardware acceleration for 4 months? Why hasnt AMD, you know, fixed hardware acceleration instead? Couple these long fixes with AMD's refusal to admit their Navi-based cards have major stuttering issues with older games due to hyper agressive downclocking, and it seems we are back to the early 2010s, where AMD makes some great hardware plagued by driver issues that take months, sometimes 6+ months, instead of days to get fixed, assuming AMD even acknowledges them.
 
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lazostat

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I guess this is not the 5600xt with the new vBios. The upgraded 5600xt beats 2060 and 2060s and it's little down from 2070. So it's a big progress.
 

Adhmuz

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Bare minimum for someone with no life whatsoever maybe. At 1080p (and 1440p for that matter) only a true bonehead (or basement-dwelling super-nerd) gets a 2080ti (and/or 9900k). I have other things to spend my money on that get me out in the sunshine...
Don't assume people who can afford to buy these cards have no life, if they can that's probably because they have a lot of disposable income, nothing wrong with that, better to put that money back in to the economy IMO. Although the comments that come from this individual are typically pretty cringe worthy because they come off as a bragging point and nothing constructive or even relevant to the topic of the article.

#2 People who buy 2080Ti's demand theabsolute best they can get for their money and don't like wasting time fantasizing about tech comparisons as to what they COULD HAVE or SHOULD HAVE purchased.
People who buy 2080Tis should also understand that not everyone out there can afford to drop the kind of money they demand. Not everyone has the need to game at the level those cards provide and people generally have to budget their purchases, especially for something that is nothing more than a hobby or a way to kill some time.

For someone who doesn't like wasting time fantasizing about tech comparisons you spend an awful lot of time comment on just that, for hardware you have zero interest in, and instead just keep telling everyone to buy the most expensive video card possible because its the fastest thing money can buy irrelevantly to the article at hand.
 

Adhmuz

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I guess this is not the 5600xt with the new vBios. The upgraded 5600xt beats 2060 and 2060s and it's little down from 2070. So it's a big progress.
Unfortunately that BIOS isn't a guarantee for all cards, as all cards are not made equally, let alone with the headroom to allow for the added clocks it brings to the equation. The chips used on the 5600XT are binned to be used as such for a reason and have been qualified at the original spec, perhaps a large portion of the chips can indeed handle the increase in core clock, but once more, the VRM of the card itself would also need to be suited for the added load for long term use.

I do agree it should be stated that the card can be flashed to increase its performance however with a disclaimer, it can also be tested in said state as well but I don't believe it increases the value of the card unless it comes with that BIOS programmed and having passed validation from the manufacturer. AMD really F'd over the manufacturers, the reviewers and the end users with this bit of last minute shenanigans.
 

crinny

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Unfortunately that BIOS isn't a guarantee for all cards, as all cards are not made equally, let alone with the headroom to allow for the added clocks it brings to the equation. The chips used on the 5600XT are binned to be used as such for a reason and have been qualified at the original spec, perhaps a large portion of the chips can indeed handle the increase in core clock, but once more, the VRM of the card itself would also need to be suited for the added load for long term use.

I do agree it should be stated that the card can be flashed to increase its performance however with a disclaimer, it can also be tested in said state as well but I don't believe it increases the value of the card unless it comes with that BIOS programmed and having passed validation from the manufacturer. AMD really F'd over the manufacturers, the reviewers and the end users with this bit of last minute shenanigans.
You chosen the worst 5600XT out there, and with the old bios. Its bs that it doesnt increase its value with the newer bios, no matter what card you buy. You know it, I know it, and everybody out there knows it.
 

Karl Hungus

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#1 I had no idea that "buying a video card was the equivalent of having "no life". So I guess people can't play video games?

#2 People who buy 2080Ti's demand theabsolute best they can get for their money and don't like wasting time fantasizing about tech comparisons as to what they COULD HAVE or SHOULD HAVE purchased.
Firstly, I apologize. My comment was immature and makes me look like a real as*hole. I need to work on my impulse control obviously ;-) The act of 'buying a video card' doesn't mean you have no life. I didn't say that. People who buy 2080ti's however need to find other things to spend money on IMO. Anyone can just go out and buy the most expensive stuff and then tell everyone about it. It takes a lot more 'skill' if you will to pick the right card and system to maximize your dollar and stretch your hardware to its limit, not to mention it's a lot more interesting.

The 'cheapest' 2080ti I can buy right now would cost me $1,689 CDN all in from Newegg. Paired with the CPU that seems to be purchased the most with this card by the so-called 'enthusiasts', the 9900k, is $749. I'm guessing they're not putting this on a cheap, rebated Asrock board, so you can likely add another $300 to that, and let's say conservatively another $200 for 32GB, super-speed RAM...because they also believe there's a benefit to that in gaming (news flash, there isn't...although I'd probably do the same thing once I was already in this deep).

That's $2,938 for 4 components, not including the likely high-end 4K monitor, water-cooling system, etc. Uh, that's around what I paid for my boat/trailer last year. I would be embarrassed to tell any adult that I know that I spent so much to play games. I put up with enough flak already for this hobby. And for what? A slightly better resolution and 190 vs 170 fps? The only way I could justify it is if I won the lottery, it was my job, and/or someone else was paying for it.
 
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Firstly, I apologize. My comment was immature and makes me look like a real as*hole. I need to work on my impulse control obviously ;-) The act of 'buying a video card' doesn't mean you have no life. I didn't say that. People who buy 2080ti's however need to find other things to spend money on IMO. Anyone can just go out and buy the most expensive stuff and then tell everyone about it. It takes a lot more 'skill' if you will to pick the right card and system to maximize your dollar and stretch your hardware to its limit, not to mention it's a lot more interesting.

The 'cheapest' 2080ti I can buy right now would cost me $1,689 CDN all in from Newegg. Paired with the CPU that seems to be purchased the most with this card by the so-called 'enthusiasts', the 9900k, is $749. I'm guessing they're not putting this on a cheap, rebated Asrock board, so you can likely add another $300 to that, and let's say conservatively another $200 for 32GB, super-speed RAM...because they also believe there's a benefit to that in gaming (news flash, there isn't...although I'd probably do the same thing once I was already in this deep).

That's $2,938 for 4 components, not including the likely high-end 4K monitor, water-cooling system, etc. Uh, that's around what I paid for my boat/trailer last year. I would be embarrassed to tell any adult that I know that I spent so much to play games. I put up with enough flak already for this hobby. And for what? A slightly better resolution and 190 vs 170 fps? The only way I could justify it is if I won the lottery, it was my job, and/or someone else was paying for it.
You already lost the argument when you account other PC components into the equation my friend. A 3000usd PC with a 2080Ti will be 50% faster than a 2000usd PC with 5700XT. CPU and RAM don't matter much at 4K, you can play game just fine on a R5 3600 with 16GB of Ram at 4K. Not to mention that you can experience next gen graphics that RTX will bring.
I don't see how spending money for your hobbies is a bad thing though, unless you are living from paychecks to paychecks, even then playing games is not to your best interest anyways.
BTW the 2080Ti has the most overclocking headroom out there, it is fun and rewarding just playing with overclock that it can bring 20% extra performance (or even 30% with the Kingpin version).
 
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Firstly, I apologize. My comment was immature and makes me look like a real as*hole. I need to work on my impulse control obviously ;-) The act of 'buying a video card' doesn't mean you have no life. I didn't say that. People who buy 2080ti's however need to find other things to spend money on IMO. Anyone can just go out and buy the most expensive stuff and then tell everyone about it. It takes a lot more 'skill' if you will to pick the right card and system to maximize your dollar and stretch your hardware to its limit, not to mention it's a lot more interesting.

The 'cheapest' 2080ti I can buy right now would cost me $1,689 CDN all in from Newegg. Paired with the CPU that seems to be purchased the most with this card by the so-called 'enthusiasts', the 9900k, is $749. I'm guessing they're not putting this on a cheap, rebated Asrock board, so you can likely add another $300 to that, and let's say conservatively another $200 for 32GB, super-speed RAM...because they also believe there's a benefit to that in gaming (news flash, there isn't...although I'd probably do the same thing once I was already in this deep).

That's $2,938 for 4 components, not including the likely high-end 4K monitor, water-cooling system, etc. Uh, that's around what I paid for my boat/trailer last year. I would be embarrassed to tell any adult that I know that I spent so much to play games. I put up with enough flak already for this hobby. And for what? A slightly better resolution and 190 vs 170 fps? The only way I could justify it is if I won the lottery, it was my job, and/or someone else was paying for it.
But how can you brag childlishly if you don't forgo a few car payments, take out a loan to buy all that stuff? I mean ... come on man, priorities. ;) Gotta at least keep up with the joneses.
 
It's tiring.

I read every "5600 XT vs. GeForce GTX 1060 6GB vs. GTX 1070" review benchmark and comparison I can, the performance and price/performance are meaningful weather or not they're my personal choice.

I enjoy the things I own. I can't enjoy someone else deciding what type or the price range of things I choose to purchase, SHOULD COST.

People who buy 2080ti's however need to find other things to spend money on IMO.

"takes a lot more 'skill' if you will to pick the right card and system to maximize your dollar and stretch your hardware to its limit, not to mention it's a lot more interesting"
This is laughable.

Burning the railroad track with thermite is interesting, counting pennies is for those who HAVE to count pennies.
 

Ludak021

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You already lost the argument when you account other PC components into the equation my friend. A 3000usd PC with a 2080Ti will be 50% faster than a 2000usd PC with 5700XT. CPU and RAM don't matter much at 4K, you can play game just fine on a R5 3600 with 16GB of Ram at 4K. Not to mention that you can experience next gen graphics that RTX will bring.
I don't see how spending money for your hobbies is a bad thing though, unless you are living from paychecks to paychecks, even then playing games is not to your best interest anyways.
BTW the 2080Ti has the most overclocking headroom out there, it is fun and rewarding just playing with overclock that it can bring 20% extra performance (or even 30% with the Kingpin version).
what you will experience is, a new card from nVidia or AMD bringing down your overpriced card down to 500 and not the best anymore. And you will then go and buy that new one. That's not what most people do. You literally have no argument to win or loose since you are in a spot taking a margin of market that normal people don't even care for. For every 2080Ti nVidia makes and sells, they sell at least 10.000 2070s and 100.000 2060s, That should tell you something.

Also, I am NOT saying that spending your money on a hobby is a bad thing, so don't even go there.
 
I don't see how spending money for your hobbies is a bad thing though, unless you are living from paychecks to paychecks, even then playing games is not to your best interest anyways.
Oh it's never an issue to buy another 20TB of storage to keep a decades worth of games (just in case!) handy, or to build an expensive NAS or a hardwired 10GigE home network, dragging CAT6 to sockets in the walls - including one straight to the 216" 80K television with all the Netfix they can capture. Sub'ing to faster and faster gigahurts internet so there's no time wasted collecting more 150GB games so the NAS can be extended, once again.

We know what the priority is for hoarders diligently cataloging digital stuffs to display with a bargain Radeon RX 360.

BTW the 2080Ti has the most overclocking headroom out there, it is fun and rewarding just playing with overclock that it can bring 20% extra performance (or even 30% with the Kingpin version).
I like to look at the regebe lighten blinken.
 
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Adhmuz

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You chosen the worst 5600XT out there, and with the old bios. Its bs that it doesnt increase its value with the newer bios, no matter what card you buy. You know it, I know it, and everybody out there knows it.
I chosen what worst 5600XT out there exactly? AND with the old BIOS? Sorry that statement makes no sense at all. You know it, I know it, and everybody out there knows it.
 
For every 2080Ti nVidia makes and sells, they sell at least 10.000 2070s and 100.000 2060s, That should tell you something.
Steam numbers? They're not correct..anecdotal evidence and comments don't tell anyone a thing, only aggregated sales numbers would have a story to tell, it's unlikely we'll see those numbers here.
 
what you will experience is, a new card from nVidia or AMD bringing down your overpriced card down to 500 and not the best anymore. And you will then go and buy that new one. That's not what most people do. You literally have no argument to win or loose since you are in a spot taking a margin of market that normal people don't even care for. For every 2080Ti nVidia makes and sells, they sell at least 10.000 2070s and 100.000 2060s, That should tell you something.

Also, I am NOT saying that spending your money on a hobby is a bad thing, so don't even go there.
Really I don't care about owning the fastest hardware, If I did I would have bought the Titan RTX and 9900K when they came out (still using 8700K here). The point here was that when you take into account the cost of the entire system, 2080 Ti is not that outrageously expensive. When a 3000usd PC is 50% faster than a 2000usd PC I would call that reasonable.

And when my 2080 Ti depreciate to 500usd, what do you think are gonna happen to the mid-range cards ? hardware de-value all the time when new stuff come out, best not to worry about it.
 

Karl Hungus

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It's tiring.

I read every "5600 XT vs. GeForce GTX 1060 6GB vs. GTX 1070" review benchmark and comparison I can, the performance and price/performance are meaningful weather or not they're my personal choice.

I enjoy the things I own. I can't enjoy someone else deciding what type or the price range of things I choose to purchase, SHOULD COST.

This is laughable.

Burning the railroad track with thermite is interesting, counting pennies is for those who HAVE to count pennies.
Actually your comment is pretty laughable. We have a millionaire in our midst! I'm a petroleum engineer...I make lots. Doesn't mean I have to be a ***** with it.
 

Karl Hungus

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Steam numbers? They're not correct..anecdotal evidence and comments don't tell anyone a thing, only aggregated sales numbers would have a story to tell, it's unlikely we'll see those numbers here.
I'd say it's a really safe bet that the majority (like 99%) don't own a 2080ti. I think that's the intelligent bet anyways. think of it this way, you're a millionaire and in the 1%!
 

Karl Hungus

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You already lost the argument when you account other PC components into the equation my friend. A 3000usd PC with a 2080Ti will be 50% faster than a 2000usd PC with 5700XT. CPU and RAM don't matter much at 4K, you can play game just fine on a R5 3600 with 16GB of Ram at 4K. Not to mention that you can experience next gen graphics that RTX will bring.
I don't see how spending money for your hobbies is a bad thing though, unless you are living from paychecks to paychecks, even then playing games is not to your best interest anyways.
BTW the 2080Ti has the most overclocking headroom out there, it is fun and rewarding just playing with overclock that it can bring 20% extra performance (or even 30% with the Kingpin version).
So, let me get this straight...the 'enthusiasts' (or, those who like to waste money) out there are playing with their (used) 2080ti at 4K on cheap (used) MB's, 16GB RAM, and r5 3600's?! Not from the specs in the signatures (that they always 'proudly' display) that I see in forums. Give your head a shake man...
 

urbanman2004

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Based on the benchmarks from a 'price per performance perspective' [say that 3x in a row, lol], if I were in the market to upgrade, I'd be better off buying a 3700XT below $400 USD. Saw one for $350 I passed up the other day b/c I would have no need for it.
 
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Karl Hungus

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No one has to be a **** but as a petroleum kinda guy there's probably a compelling reason for it. Hey how's that work on your impulse control going?
And as an elitist computer 'guy' (my impulse was 'nerd'), there's a reason for yours too I suspect. You make a comment like you did, expect reaction. Amazes me all the time when I see smug comments telling people maybe gaming isn't for them because 'they can't afford it' or 'need to pinch pennies' and then get all butt-hurt when people call them out on it.
 
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Karl Hungus

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Every firm that makes games must educate its programmers to use Vulkan, it is amazing.
I noticed that the 5700XT seems to really like Vulkan, and widens it's lead on the 2060 Super a lot in those games. I see that my most-played game (DCS World) is moving to Vulkan in the (hopefully) near future. I really hope AMD can sort out their drivers by that time. The competition is good for all of us. I suspect AMD's issues are the reason the 2070 Super hasn't really dropped in price.