Prosercunus
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Way too broad of a statement. Value per frames and AMD takes it. So "better choice" completely depends on your definition. If $$ matters not it's clearly Intel.
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Radeon VII & GeForce RTX 2080 using Ryzen 7 2700X & Core i7-8700K
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Way too broad of a statement. Value per frames and AMD takes it. So "better choice" completely depends on your definition. If $$ matters not it's clearly Intel.
- Posted from my Intel/Nvidia machine.
You don't have 20€ per Year for Electricity?
144hzGamer
Posts: 214 +131
Faster by 1 fps on a gpu botteneck situation aka margin error. But you lost all credibility once you compared 4c/8t with 8c/8t so this debate is useless. Go check gamernexus and HW 9700k vs 8700k benches on cpu bound situations and be happy.
Also not to mention the fact that hyper threading is responsible for 99% of the recent security flaws, while 9700k doesnt have ht and is more secure while being faster too and requiring less voltage. Every 9700k I used did 5,2ghz without any problem at less than 1,35v. No chance for the tooth pasted i7 8700k that can barely reach 5ghz at 1,35v and after delid.
amstech
Posts: 2,662 +1,825
Its 3-7 FPS in a few titles, with stronger minimum frames.
The point is, the 8700K games just as fast as, there is NO advantage for the 9700K in gaming, as proven.
Techspot has some great articles on an i3 vs i5 vs i7 in gaming, I recommended checking them out as your coming across very uneducated. Obviously an older 4/8 is going to get waxed by a newer 4/8, as improvements in architecture have been substantial over the years.
But saying HT doesn't help with gaming or allow a 2/4 CPU to run with a 4/4 CPU is is argument so old and stupid, only the most clueless person still thinks this way so sorry for revealing this for you.
OMG NO WAY!
What a big deal this is!
The 9700K is a beast of a CPU and a great gamer.
It's scorching the benchmarks right now and beats the 8700K in many isolated tests, for sure. It will take years, but eventually like the 4/4 i5 chips getting waxed by the by 4/8 chips in gaming, that limited core count will catch up to it.
Eventually, 8/8 chips will be far behind 8/16 chips in gaming as 4/4 chips are to 4/8 chips now.
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144hzGamer
Posts: 214 +131
Its 3-7 FPS in a few titles, with stronger minimum frames.
The point is, the 8700K games just as fast as, there is NO advantage for the 9700K in gaming, as proven.
Techspot has some great articles on an i3 vs i5 vs i7 in gaming, I recommended checking them out as your coming across very uneducated. Obviously an older 4/8 is going to get waxed by a newer 4/8, as improvements in architecture have been substantial over the years.
But saying HT doesn't help with gaming or allow a 2/4 CPU to run with a 4/4 CPU is is argument so old and stupid, only the most clueless person still thinks this way so sorry for revealing this for you.
OMG NO WAY!
What a big deal this is!
The 9700K is a beast of a CPU and a great gamer.
It's scorching the benchmarks right now and beats the 8700K in many isolated tests, for sure. It will take years, but eventually like the 4/4 i5 chips getting waxed by the by 4/8 chips in gaming, that limited core count will catch up to it.
Eventually, 8/8 chips will be far behind 8/16 chips in gaming as 4/4 chips are to 4/8 chips now.
When a game fully utilize 8 physical cores at 5ghz and you end up losing performance, a 6 core + 6 logical threads wont help you by any means. 2 physical cores work WAY more than 6 logical threads. This is why a 8700k is like 10% to 20% faster than a 6c/6t 8600k at the same clocks, at the best, and on specific scenarios that can take advantage from it. But 2 real cores obliterate logical threads and this is where you fail to realize 9700k is a more powerful cpu. Even in multi threaded scenarios. Cinebench, rendering, pov, encoding etc etc 9700k beats the 8700k at the same clocks.
And yes, security flaws are a thing. Means you dont need 1809 w10 version or patches that hinder the performance. You should do more research.
amstech
Posts: 2,662 +1,825
Just about every game takes advantage of logical cores.
Thats the 4th time you've been told and shown.
Sometimes they lean heavy on logical cores, making an i3 as fast/competitive as an i5 in games they utilize 4 cores.
True, implying they don't utilize the extra power.
Don't be so upset your beloved 9700K is no faster then an 8700K in games, its only an 8 core CPU in 2019. Not impressive on paper but its tearing it up in the real world.
144hzGamer
Posts: 214 +131
Beloved? Lol dude I dont even use a 9700k and also I never seen an i3 2c/4t come close to an i5 4c/4t. You still assuming threads are everything.
By your logic a 24 core 2ghz cpu is faster or as fast as a 16 core 4ghz chip
amstech
Posts: 2,662 +1,825
Are you new to PC gaming and performance?
Techspot has a great i3 vs i5 vs i7 article, as do some other tech sites.
It's pretty common knowledge at this point.
I never implied or said anything like this.
Listen, I get that the 9700K is, in most cases excluding gaming, is faster.
Without HT it should hit higher clock speeds too.
My point is that like the 4/4 chip, an 8/8 will hit a wall before a 8/16 chip will, and even a 6/12. It will be years before this happens though.
CheekyP
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Most of these tests are GPU limited, which is no surprise at 1440P, even with these relatively high end GPUs.
The 8700K still edges it for me (from a gaming perspective) because of its higher overclocking ability (and IPC) which may show more impact with faster next gen GPUs. Its always better to have a bit more 'in reserve' CPU wise even if they are GPU limited currently in most titles.
The 8700K still edges it for me (from a gaming perspective) because of its higher overclocking ability (and IPC) which may show more impact with faster next gen GPUs. Its always better to have a bit more 'in reserve' CPU wise even if they are GPU limited currently in most titles.
