Radeon VII vs. GeForce RTX 2080: Radeon Comeback?

[treetops]

I'v been looking at a lot of comparisons lately. Radeon vii gets womped on by the 2080.

The Vega 64 performance slightly beats the 2060 with it's newest drivers. But usually costs 400$ vs 2060 350$. If you can get it for the same price id go for the 64. Of course that's if you don't mind the extra power draw. I really wish Nvidia would have just left out RT until it gets better optimization. By the time it becomes viable only the 2080+ will be relevant.

1660 ti vs vega 56. The vega 56(271$) has cost less then the 1660 ti (280$) w/ fortnite for the last few weeks and has 8-10% higher performance. Even if it shoots back up to the 300$ mark w/ division 2 gold and world war z, it still has a better price vs performance value.

Amd wins at anything lower.

With AMD's new cards, only the 2080+ will remain competitive until Nvidia strikes back.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Well I did used to owned Vega 64 and in Division 2 even at lower settings and 60fps I was getting stutter due to having only 8GB of memory after I upgraded to Radeon VII that's gone, I can now play at Ultra settings with 85% of 4K and I get upto 50% more fps and that is only 1 example plus with my OC my card wont be any slower than RTX2080

OK... so it's faster than an older AMD card... your point?

It's SLOWER than the 2080... at best, it's "about the same".... and you can OC a 2080 just as easily (or more so) than a Radeon, so that holds no water either...

Thank goodness for fanboys like you though - otherwise AMD would have quit the GPU business years ago and we'd be stuck with an Nvidia monopoly and the 2080 would be $1000...

 

[Squid Surprise]

I'v been looking at a lot of comparisons lately. Radeon vii gets womped on by the 2080.

The Vega 64 performance slightly beats the 2060 with it's newest drivers. But usually costs 400$ vs 2060 350$. If you can get it for the same price id go for the 64. Of course that's if you don't mind the extra power draw. I really wish Nvidia would have just left out RT until it gets better optimization. By the time it becomes viable only the 2080+ will be relevant.

1660 ti vs vega 56. The vega 56(271$) has cost less then the 1660 ti (280$) w/ fortnite for the last few weeks and has 8-10% higher performance. Even if it shoots back up to the 300$ mark w/ division 2 gold and world war z, it still has a better price vs performance value.

Amd wins at anything lower.

With AMD's new cards, only the 2080+ will remain competitive until Nvidia strikes back.

If AMD's cards are as good as they claim, I'm pretty sure Nvidia's "strike back" will simply be to slash 2060/2070 prices.... Hopefully, Navi will bring affordability back to the mid-range... $400 is way too steep for a 4th tier card dangit!

 

[Adi6293]

OK... so it's faster than an older AMD card... your point?

It's SLOWER than the 2080... at best, it's "about the same".... and you can OC a 2080 just as easily (or more so) than a Radeon, so that holds no water either...

Thank goodness for fanboys like you though - otherwise AMD would have quit the GPU business years ago and we'd be stuck with an Nvidia monopoly and the 2080 would be $1000...

Maybe we should thank the god for people like you who cares only about the fps? I would rather have that 8% less performance not supporting company like nVidia who constantly rise prices and can never play fair aka GamesNOTWork

 

[Squid Surprise]

Maybe we should thank the god for people like you who cares only about the fps? I would rather have that 8% less performance not supporting company like nVidia who constantly rise prices and can never play fair aka GamesNOTWork

Wow... that's a whole new brand of fanboy... brand loyalty is simply foolish in today's marketplace. You should be buying the best product for your money - trust me, the "underdog" cares about you just as much as the "overdog"... not at all!

Businesses care about one thing now - bottom line. If AMD was the company on top, they'd be gouging you just as much as Nvidia. The only reason they're not is because they can't!

As a consumer, I'm not paying for an inferior product just to support AMD. If I want to support AMD, I'll buy a Ryzen CPU - those are actually good!

 

[Adi6293]

Wow... that's a whole new brand of fanboy... brand loyalty is simply foolish in today's marketplace. You should be buying the best product for your money - trust me, the "underdog" cares about you just as much as the "overdog"... not at all!

Businesses care about one thing now - bottom line. If AMD was the company on top, they'd be gouging you just as much as Nvidia. The only reason they're not is because they can't!

As a consumer, I'm not paying for an inferior product just to support AMD. If I want to support AMD, I'll buy a Ryzen CPU - those are actually good!

This has nothing to with being a fanboy but with human and business decency. I'm well aware of the fact that AMD is a company and cares only about getting money out of me but to me its important how this company goes about it and how that company fights with its competition and nVidia its anti-consumer all the way, also I don't remember AMD charging $1000 for HD5870 when nVidia had no answer to it for 6 months but I can remember how quickly nVidia introduced the $1000 Titan when they got the upper hand over AMD
Radeon VII its a good card I bought it after watching this review

it fights pretty well against aftermarket RTX2080


PS. I had more nVidia cards than I had Ati or AMD I just stopped buying them once I've learned all that crap they were pulling off over the years same goes for Intel

 

[Squid Surprise]

This has nothing to with being a fanboy but with human and business decency. I'm well aware of the fact that AMD is a company and cares only about getting money out of me but to me its important how this company goes about it and how that company fights with its competition and nVidia its anti-consumer all the way, also I don't remember AMD charging $1000 for HD5870 when nVidia had no answer to it for 6 months but I can remember how quickly nVidia introduced the $1000 Titan when they got the upper hand over AMD
Radeon VII its a good card I bought it after watching this review

it fights pretty well against aftermarket RTX2080


PS. I had more nVidia cards than I had Ati or AMD I just stopped buying them once I've learned all that crap they were pulling off over the years same goes for Intel

The reason AMD didn't charge $1000 for the 5870 was because they couldn't... Nvidia sold the 480, which outperformed it, at $500.... don't worry though, they re-released the "Eyefinity" version a few months later at $480 (the original 5870 was $380) in an attempt to get a bit more of your hard-earned cash...

Again, if you really want to support AMD - buy a Ryzen!

 

[Sloma1986]

It's completely unfair to compare nVidia custom model from other company with very high OC compared to retail model of AMD card made by the chipset manufacturer that has reference clocks values used.
Just because of this selection of cards the comparison is simply not really usefull and focused on helping nVidia RTX 2080 with higher framerates of used model compared to reference model of same card. I'm pretty sure RTX would win over Radeon VII anyway even if both cards would be used with reference clocks. I'm a user of Gigabyte GTX 1080 Aorus right now with decent factory OC, and I also have my older Gigabyte GTX 780TI OC that has factory OC set on +25% of reference core clock speed, which shows how much custom card models can differ from reference ones in terms of speed (not to mention better cooling, power sections on custom pcb and quiet work...) and wattage.

 

[Squid Surprise]

It's completely unfair to compare nVidia custom model from other company with very high OC compared to retail model of AMD card made by the chipset manufacturer that has reference clocks values used.
Just because of this selection of cards the comparison is simply not really usefull and focused on helping nVidia RTX 2080 with higher framerates of used model compared to reference model of same card. I'm pretty sure RTX would win over Radeon VII anyway even if both cards would be used with reference clocks. I'm a user of Gigabyte GTX 1080 Aorus right now with decent factory OC, and I also have my older Gigabyte GTX 780TI OC that has factory OC set on +25% of reference core clock speed, which shows how much custom card models can differ from reference ones in terms of speed (not to mention better cooling, power sections on custom pcb and quiet work...) and wattage.

There ARE no OC versions of the VII... which tells you a lot about it.... the 2080 OC can be purchased for the same price as the VII... why wouldn’t you compare them?

 

[Adi6293]

The reason AMD didn't charge $1000 for the 5870 was because they couldn't... Nvidia sold the 480, which outperformed it, at $500.... don't worry though, they re-released the "Eyefinity" version a few months later at $480 (the original 5870 was $380) in an attempt to get a bit more of your hard-earned cash...

Again, if you really want to support AMD - buy a Ryzen!

They could have easly charged $600 - $700 for the 6 months before GTX480 wasn't on the market and then drop the prices but they didn't and I do have a 2700X and also I've owned GTX480 but hey I am AMD fanboy

 

[LoucMachine]

The reason AMD didn't charge $1000 for the 5870 was because they couldn't... Nvidia sold the 480, which outperformed it, at $500.... don't worry though, they re-released the "Eyefinity" version a few months later at $480 (the original 5870 was $380) in an attempt to get a bit more of your hard-earned cash...

Again, if you really want to support AMD - buy a Ryzen!

They could have easly charged $600 - $700 for the 6 months before GTX480 wasn't on the market and then drop the prices but they didn't and I do have a 2700X and also I've owned GTX480 but hey I am AMD fanboy

Thats the things though, nvidia had no answer for 6 months almost 10 years ago... Now, have nvidia have no answer for 5 years and you will see AMD price gouging all the same as any other company.

 

[Squid Surprise]

They could have easly charged $600 - $700 for the 6 months before GTX480 wasn't on the market and then drop the prices but they didn't and I do have a 2700X and also I've owned GTX480 but hey I am AMD fanboy

Not really... because the Nvidia 295 existed.... and it matched the 5870 (it was 2 GPUs on one card) and was only $500...

 

[Toju Mikie]

The Radeon VII is definitely more suited for compute and content creation like 4K or 8K video editing. Pretty much any memory intensive workload. I think the only other card that has 16GB HBM2 is the Titan V and that is a $3000 card. If you were looking at only playing games, then the 2080 is a better choice.

 

[Adi6293]

Not really... because the Nvidia 295 existed.... and it matched the 5870 (it was 2 GPUs on one card) and was only $500...

Well multi-gpu vs single card what would you pick? Most people would prefer strong single card and as you say Radeon was matching 295 and it was still cheaper

 

[treetops]

Btw even if you bought a radeon vii for gaming for the same price as a 2080, you over paid by what 56$ or so. 8% into 700 is 56. It's still a great card. It's not like you bought a new 1080 for 700$+ in 2019. That would realllly sting.

https://www.newegg.com/p/pl?d=1080&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH

 

[ZackL04]

The simple fact is.
If you remove the nvidia poisoned games the advantage Nvidia has is gone.
Dont benchmark gameworks games you only end up lying to people.

Nvidia poisoned?

Ok. Remove the tin foil hat and consider this. The most popular GPU’s are still Nvidia, you know, based off of what steam tells us. So why would a developer build and run their game on an AMD card? That would only be alienating their potential sales market, ensuring the game wont run as well on the majorities card is just stupid.

Until AMD gains more traction in the market, this trend will continue. They have always been a value card, heck, I run an rx 480. But since Nvidia added adaptive sync support, amd has nothing left to lure customers other than slashing prices further.

They have their CPU architecture and console exclusivity to help keep them alfoat.

 

[Adi6293]

Thats the things though, nvidia had no answer for 6 months almost 10 years ago... Now, have nvidia have no answer for 5 years and you will see AMD price gouging all the same as any other company.

AMD has been keeping nVidia's pricing in check for long time untill they couldn't compete and see if the day comes that that have an upper hand I do hope they price gauge because if nVidia can I don't see why AMD shouldn't, they should have done it 10 years ago as judging by nVidia's revenue gamers like to pay high prices for their gpu's.......

 

[Feegore]

Again its all dependent on price.
While the RTX 2080 is 8% faster overall through those 38 titles, if the Radeon VII can be had for $75-$100 cheaper, it would be much more competitive. For some reason AMD does not want to admit their architecture is still a little inferior and no one is going to spend $700 on this GPU, but I could see $580-$640.

I bought mine for $650 with two games I was going to buy. This made it worth it to me. The RTX 2080 is/was $798, and that would make the RTX 2080 122% more for 8% performance.

I did think about getting the 2080 Ti, but again, it was almost 200% of the price. I also would also have to add in $90 on top of that for the two games I was going to buy anyways. That is why I went with the Radeon VII.

I am also able to hold steady 60+ FPS at 4K by using the provided AMD drivers and watt man. Best card out? No, but I am happy with it. I upgraded from two Asus Strix GTX 1080s. SLI didn’t really work with anything except GTAV and even then it wasn’t stable.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Well multi-gpu vs single card what would you pick? Most people would prefer strong single card and as you say Radeon was matching 295 and it was still cheaper

Not the point... the question was , would AMD have gouged the consumer if they could have... we’ll never know, since they’ve never had no competition in the high end... the 5870 was clearly the best time AMD had - yes it was the best deal and a great high end card. But they couldn’t charge more than $500 for it, even if they’d wanted to because of the 295...

There is NOTHING that competes with the 2080Ti right now (or the Titan RTX), allowing Nvidia to basically charge whatever they want.

I’m saying that if the role was reversed, AMD would probably be doing the same thing. We’ll obviously never know as it will never happen... but don’t go buying inferior cards just because you want to support the underdog! If you want to support AMD, make them earn it - but a Ryzen!

 

[bobhumplick]

Why the interest? well because a bunch of amd fan sites say "dont you dare spend 700 dollars on a 2080. it will only encourage them to sell for that price!!"

then when amd do it they run straight out and buy one even though they spent too much on a vega just a year earlier as well.

same people who say that spending money on 8700k wasnt worth it for gaming then went out and spent about the same money on a 2700x just for gaming even though the 2600x gets exactly the same gaming performance.

those people overclock their card, unervolt it, then seem to imply that all cards will get the exact same results, like amd just overvolts their cards for fun, and then people who watch their channels or sites think its some kind of wrong doing by the tech journos.

 

[StickySlip]

Hi.
I'm having slight issue with this comparison. To be honest I'm certain it isn't valid.
First of all you are testing RVII with 2080 Aorus extreme which is OC'ed straight out of the box for about 200Mhz higher thank Founders edition card. Unless the clocks for the test have been adjusted but I can't find this information. You say there's 9% difference between 2080 and RVII but if you OC RVII this would change. (RVII can do OC not bad)
Secondly, The 2080 Aorus extreme price is not 700$ but around 800$ and yet you compare prices as MSRP prices which is not correct.
Just pointing this out. It is still a great work but it may have been more accurate than what we see here.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Hi.
I'm having slight issue with this comparison. To be honest I'm certain it isn't valid.
First of all you are testing RVII with 2080 Aorus extreme which is OC'ed straight out of the box for about 200Mhz higher thank Founders edition card. Unless the clocks for the test have been adjusted but I can't find this information. You say there's 9% difference between 2080 and RVII but if you OC RVII this would change. (RVII can do OC not bad)
Secondly, The 2080 Aorus extreme price is not 700$ but around 800$ and yet you compare prices as MSRP prices which is not correct.
Just pointing this out. It is still a great work but it may have been more accurate than what we see here.

The first legitimate complaint I've actually seen on this thread

I'm guessing that the Aorus extreme was simply the only 2080 card that Techspot had... but you can get tons of similarly OCd 2080 cards on Amazon for the MSRP of $700...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J5LCQNF/?tag=httpwwwtechsp-20

The difference is marginal, and even at stock, the 2080 slightly outperforms the VII...

The thing is, you CANNOT buy a Radeon VII overclocked... you can only do it manually...

And yes, it's not too hard - but it's also not that hard to manually OC a 2080....

 

[StickySlip]

Hi.
I'm having slight issue with this comparison. To be honest I'm certain it isn't valid.
First of all you are testing RVII with 2080 Aorus extreme which is OC'ed straight out of the box for about 200Mhz higher thank Founders edition card. Unless the clocks for the test have been adjusted but I can't find this information. You say there's 9% difference between 2080 and RVII but if you OC RVII this would change. (RVII can do OC not bad)
Secondly, The 2080 Aorus extreme price is not 700$ but around 800$ and yet you compare prices as MSRP prices which is not correct.
Just pointing this out. It is still a great work but it may have been more accurate than what we see here.

The first legitimate complaint I've actually seen on this thread

I'm guessing that the Aorus extreme was simply the only 2080 card that Techspot had... but you can get tons of similarly OCd 2080 cards on Amazon for the MSRP of $700...

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07J5LCQNF/?tag=httpwwwtechsp-20

The difference is marginal, and even at stock, the 2080 slightly outperforms the VII...

The thing is, you CANNOT buy a Radeon VII overclocked... you can only do it manually...

And yes, it's not too hard - but it's also not that hard to manually OC a 2080....

I'm not saying RVII is faster but this is not how you compare 2 cards to check if they have gained or lost performance over few months or if the driver updates changed anything and one o these cards is OC'ed head start. 200Mhz is not a bad OC and it does show the difference. You can't buy RVII OC'ed but you can OC it manually and that's true. This article might have been a good indication for gains and loses in performance in % if both cards were same price or at least factory clocks(most important) cause that's what the article is about. It's just not fair. You can OC RVII as well. Factory settings for both cards. I think that's more legitimate comparison for this article. OC potential is a different story for a different article. Question. if now RVII is slower 8% over few months since the first test. Does the first test (showing RVII 7% slower)was done with the same RTX 2080 Aorus Extreme or different? For instance RTX 2080 founders? If that is what it was then this article makes no sense in my eyes.

 

[Chaotic Neutral]

"Honestly we're not sure why the overwhelming interest, but we've been getting a surprisingly large number of requests for a Radeon VII re-test over the past few weeks, and we couldn't refuse."

Well, because AMD has stated that Navi won't be high-end... so the VII will remain the AMD flagship for awhile to come...

And also, because we have a bunch of AMD fanboys who refuse to admit that their company is dead in the water when it comes to high-end video cards...

Don't get me wrong, for mid-low tier GPUs, AMD generally provides a solid option - if not the overwhelming winner - but when it comes to the "best GPU in the world", there is only 1 choice... which sucks, since Nvidia can charge virtually whatever they want for their high-end cards.

That the VII can't even beat Nvidia's second best card (third if you count the insanely stupid RTX Titan) and is actually aging POORER than it speaks volumes... I recall the argument from AMD fanboys that it "doesn't matter what the benchmarks say now, in 2 years the AMD card will be twice as fast"... well, that doesn't hold water any more - if it ever really did to begin with

You are talking about gaming right.... bcz GPUs are used for other things.

Nvidia has failed to meet the consumer, with consumer prices. Radeon VII is still a scientific card, with a $$ tax for porting it to the gaming world. Navi is not, it was designed specifically with games in mind, not compute.


Navi is mainstream and will have mainstream prices. Nvidia greed of trickle-down science cards is over.

Mainstream prices like $499?

 

[SRB]

It's completely unfair to compare nVidia custom model from other company with very high OC compared to retail model of AMD card made by the chipset manufacturer that has reference clocks values used.
Just because of this selection of cards the comparison is simply not really usefull and focused on helping nVidia RTX 2080 with higher framerates of used model compared to reference model of same card. I'm pretty sure RTX would win over Radeon VII anyway even if both cards would be used with reference clocks. I'm a user of Gigabyte GTX 1080 Aorus right now with decent factory OC, and I also have my older Gigabyte GTX 780TI OC that has factory OC set on +25% of reference core clock speed, which shows how much custom card models can differ from reference ones in terms of speed (not to mention better cooling, power sections on custom pcb and quiet work...) and wattage.

There ARE no OC versions of the VII... which tells you a lot about it.... the 2080 OC can be purchased for the same price as the VII... why wouldn’t you compare them?

Well, then they should use one of those cards. A quick Google price check shows the card they tested sells for a MINIMUM of $100 more then the Radeon.
The faster speeds come at a premium as tested. Same flaw as most of the original reviews. Doesn't make the Radeon faster, but not as bad a value as portraied.