Radeon VII vs. GeForce RTX 2080: Radeon Comeback?

[Squid Surprise]

Well, then they should use one of those cards. A quick Google price check shows the card they tested sells for a MINIMUM of $100 more then the Radeon.
The faster speeds come at a premium as tested. Same flaw as most of the original reviews. Doesn't make the Radeon faster, but not as bad a value as portraied.

I agree.... my only defence for TechSpot is that’s probably the only 2080 card they had on hand...

But you can check out the web for other reviews and 2080 cards.... there are plenty that sell at $600 and still outperform the VII....

But yes, this set of benchmarks is flawed until they get a stock card or $600 OC one...

 

[Adi6293]

Not the point... the question was , would AMD have gouged the consumer if they could have... we’ll never know, since they’ve never had no competition in the high end... the 5870 was clearly the best time AMD had - yes it was the best deal and a great high end card. But they couldn’t charge more than $500 for it, even if they’d wanted to because of the 295...

There is NOTHING that competes with the 2080Ti right now (or the Titan RTX), allowing Nvidia to basically charge whatever they want.

I’m saying that if the role was reversed, AMD would probably be doing the same thing. We’ll obviously never know as it will never happen... but don’t go buying inferior cards just because you want to support the underdog! If you want to support AMD, make them earn it - but a Ryzen!

Ok lets look at it this way, usually people pick nVidia over AMD because nVidia its more power efficient, easier to cool and doesn't require a beefy power supply. Now HD5870 was way more power efficient, easier to cool had more memory since sli doesnt double the memory, didn't require beefy power supply and unlike GTX295 it was always working at 100% and SLI was not if AMD was smarter and done some clever marketing they could have easly sell it for more than $500

 

[Squid Surprise]

Ok lets look at it this way, usually people pick nVidia over AMD because nVidia its more power efficient, easier to cool and doesn't require a beefy power supply. Now HD5870 was way more power efficient, easier to cool had more memory since sli doesnt double the memory, didn't require beefy power supply and unlike GTX295 it was always working at 100% and SLI was not if AMD was smarter and done some clever marketing they could have easly sell it for more than $500

Dude... you missed my point completely... marketing aside, the 295 still outperformed the 5870 - yes it cost $500 and was a dual GPU so wasn’t desirable... it was still competition for AMD, which meant that AMD couldn’t charge “whatever they wanted”...

The reality NOW is that there simply is no AMD option that can compete with the 2080Ti or Titan.... hence Nvidia’s ability to charge pretty much whatever they want... no real marketing necessary...

 

[grumblguts]

I never understand why people complain about AMD performance.
It isn't like they plan to purchase one and help competition, all their interested in is lowering the price of their favoured vendor.
I hope AMD quit making gaming cards.
Just imagine peoples regret on how they allowed competition to die thx to their own choices.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I never understand why people complain about AMD performance.
It isn't like they plan to purchase one and help competition, all their interested in is lowering the price of their favoured vendor.
I hope AMD quit making gaming cards.
Just imagine peoples regret on how they allowed competition to die thx to their own choices.

Your logic, if one can call your drivel “logic”, doesn’t work....

We complain about AMD’s performance partially because Nvidia’s lack of competition means crazy pricing... but... if AMD actually made a better card, we WOULD buy them! Heck, I owned a 7970, and I had the Radeon 9700 Pro way back when it was ATI...

People still buy AMD GPUs by the way... their 570 units are excellent value and consoles all run AMD cards as well.

It’s just the high end - where the pricing goes crazy - that AMD falls flat.

 

[Tantor]

Sheesh, the Nvidia fan dislike for AMD fans is simply mind boggling. You guys might consider checking into an anger management clinic. LOL.

The RVII is a VERY FAST card. It stomps all over the 2070, 2060, 1060. It easily keeps up with the 1080ti, which is selling for $1200 nowadays on Newegg. Sure, it runs about 8% slower than the 2080. But it also costs about 8% less than the average 2080. Most 2080s are in the $750+ range with many up around $1200.

If the RVII was $550, all the haters would be stumbling over themselves to buy one. I bought one with the three game package which was worth at least $150. So I paid $550 for my RVII. Helluva value.

I haven't run into any heat or noise issues, mainly because I run it underclocked with Chill. I really like the control that Wattman provides.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's *** that it took a couple of years for AMD to catch up with the 1080ti. It is what it is. I waited far longer for AMD to bring out the Ryzen. The bottom line is that you always get good value with AMD products. Get over it.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Sheesh, the Nvidia fan dislike for AMD fans is simply mind boggling. You guys might consider checking into an anger management clinic. LOL.

The RVII is a VERY FAST card. It stomps all over the 2070, 2060, 1060. It easily keeps up with the 1080ti, which is selling for $1200 nowadays on Newegg. Sure, it runs about 8% slower than the 2080. But it also costs about 8% less than the average 2080. Most 2080s are in the $750+ range with many up around $1200.

If the RVII was $550, all the haters would be stumbling over themselves to buy one. I bought one with the three game package which was worth at least $150. So I paid $550 for my RVII. Helluva value.

I haven't run into any heat or noise issues, mainly because I run it underclocked with Chill. I really like the control that Wattman provides.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's *** that it took a couple of years for AMD to catch up with the 1080ti. It is what it is. I waited far longer for AMD to bring out the Ryzen. The bottom line is that you always get good value with AMD products. Get over it.

Good value?!?!?! Despite your nonsense, the VII and the 2080 cost the SAME amount of money... yes, there are some OC'd 2080 cards that cost more - no need to buy those!!

And yippee... the VII outperforms cards that are far older and cheaper... duh....

It also outperforms the Nvidia 400 series... should we be giving it awards for that?!?

I love the AMD fanboys who come on here and actually try to defend a company that gives us "high end cards" that can't match their equivalent Nvidia cards...

If something costs the same as something that isn't as good - only a complete fool buys the lousier card...

AMD has plenty of great value - mid-low tier GPUs and Ryzen CPUs...

But the VII is a fool's purchase - which every reviewer and tech site backs up...

Get over it

 

[m3tavision]

Mainstream prices like $499?

No, Navi cards will be a sub $500 card...

 

[m3tavision]

Good value?!?!?! Despite your nonsense, the VII and the 2080 cost the SAME amount of money... yes, there are some OC'd 2080 cards that cost more - no need to buy those!!

And yippee... the VII outperforms cards that are far older and cheaper... duh....

It also outperforms the Nvidia 400 series... should we be giving it awards for that?!?

I love the AMD fanboys who come on here and actually try to defend a company that gives us "high end cards" that can't match their equivalent Nvidia cards...

If something costs the same as something that isn't as good - only a complete fool buys the lousier card...

AMD has plenty of great value - mid-low tier GPUs and Ryzen CPUs...

But the VII is a fool's purchase - which every reviewer and tech site backs up...

Get over it

lulz...

You are the one who sounds angry with reality. The Radeon is the same price and offers nearly the same performance IN GAMES. But do understand, the radeon VII offer better frame times and less in-game drop outs. While also being superior to the GTX2080 in compute and rendering, etc.

So, it is not a win/win for either card, it is a $699 choice!



But what you are really upset about (it seems) is that Navi will usher in RX Vega 64 LC/RTX2070 level of performance for $349 bucks.

 

[Squid Surprise]

lulz...

You are the one who sounds angry with reality. The Radeon is the same price and offers nearly the same performance IN GAMES. But do understand, the radeon VII offer better frame times and less in-game drop outs. While also being superior to the GTX2080 in compute and rendering, etc.

So, it is not a win/win for either card, it is a $699 choice!



But what you are really upset about (it seems) is that Navi will usher in RX Vega 64 LC/RTX2070 level of performance for $349 bucks.

It’s a GAMING card... and it is outperformed by the 2080 for the same price... hence the hard pass by anyone with intelligence..

And who said I’m upset about Navi?!? I’ve already stated multiple times that AMD is excellent value for mid and low tier cards... maybe you need to learn to read?

 

[Shadowboxer]

Can we get a retest of the Fury X vs the 980 ti please? I ask because I am certain the 980 ti is better compared to the Fury X now than it was on launch and we only ever seem to get re-tests when AMD is doing better.

You know for the sake of balance, its good to demonstrate the fact that Nvidia cards do also improve over time too. You wouldnt want to appear biased now Techspot!

It does amuse me that the Radeon 7 is falling even further behind Turing. Im so fed up of hearing the "finewine" propoganda, finewine only really applies in a small handful of scenarios and usually by the time its kicked in its been a few years and for most of the life of the part it was second best.

AMD really have ruined the Radeon brand. Such a shame, it used to be associated with the best graphics cards but now its associated with bargain bins, heat and excessive fan noise.

 

[Shadowboxer]

lulz...

You are the one who sounds angry with reality. The Radeon is the same price and offers nearly the same performance IN GAMES. But do understand, the radeon VII offer better frame times and less in-game drop outs. While also being superior to the GTX2080 in compute and rendering, etc.

So, it is not a win/win for either card, it is a $699 choice!



But what you are really upset about (it seems) is that Navi will usher in RX Vega 64 LC/RTX2070 level of performance for $349 bucks.

Dude, the latest "leaks" have Navi priced at $499. Its shaping up to be another disappointment from AMD again. But of course we wont know until it actually releases.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Can we get a retest of the Fury X vs the 980 ti please? I ask because I am certain the 980 ti is better compared to the Fury X now than it was on launch and we only ever seem to get re-tests when AMD is doing better.

You know for the sake of balance, its good to demonstrate the fact that Nvidia cards do also improve over time too. You wouldnt want to appear biased now Techspot!

It does amuse me that the Radeon 7 is falling even further behind Turing. Im so fed up of hearing the "finewine" propoganda, finewine only really applies in a small handful of scenarios and usually by the time its kicked in its been a few years and for most of the life of the part it was second best.

AMD really have ruined the Radeon brand. Such a shame, it used to be associated with the best graphics cards but now its associated with bargain bins, heat and excessive fan noise.

They retested back in 2017....
https://www.techspot.com/review/1329-buying-gpu-radeon-fury-geforce-980/

They OCd both cards - but the Fury sucked at OC so the 980 smoked it.... but running both at stock, they were pretty even.... would be interesting to see a retest now....

 

[Zee Kay]

Again its all dependent on price.
While the RTX 2080 is 8% faster overall through those 38 titles, if the Radeon VII can be had for $75-$100 cheaper, it would be much more competitive. For some reason AMD does not want to admit their architecture is still a little inferior and no one is going to spend $700 on this GPU, but I could see $580-$640.

I paid $1100 New Zealand dollars for my Radeon VII at my local brick & mortar computer shop. Cheapest RTX 2080 was $1500 and most were $1600+. That means the Radeon VII is 26% cheaper but only 8% slower (according to TechSpot). Money well spent in my books.

 

[Watson242]

Good value?!?!?! Despite your nonsense, the VII and the 2080 cost the SAME amount of money... yes, there are some OC'd 2080 cards that cost more - no need to buy those!!

And yippee... the VII outperforms cards that are far older and cheaper... duh....

It also outperforms the Nvidia 400 series... should we be giving it awards for that?!?

I love the AMD fanboys who come on here and actually try to defend a company that gives us "high end cards" that can't match their equivalent Nvidia cards...

If something costs the same as something that isn't as good - only a complete fool buys the lousier card...

AMD has plenty of great value - mid-low tier GPUs and Ryzen CPUs...

But the VII is a fool's purchase - which every reviewer and tech site backs up...

Get over it

lulz...

You are the one who sounds angry with reality. The Radeon is the same price and offers nearly the same performance IN GAMES. But do understand, the radeon VII offer better frame times and less in-game drop outs. While also being superior to the GTX2080 in compute and rendering, etc.

So, it is not a win/win for either card, it is a $699 choice!



But what you are really upset about (it seems) is that Navi will usher in RX Vega 64 LC/RTX2070 level of performance for $349 bucks.

The 2080 is actually has better frame times and MUCH better 1% low, which is super important, so in Gaming it smokes the R VII in every possible way. In productivity you and most AMD fanboys always choose to ignore that the 2080 can do tensor flows with it's tensor cores, and can do ray raycing acceleration rendering which the R VII simply can't, there's no clear win for AMD in workload either, the only thing they can win is mining. The 2080 is clearly the better card in almost any aspects.

 

[Twizted]

Again its all dependent on price.
While the RTX 2080 is 8% faster overall through those 38 titles, if the Radeon VII can be had for $75-$100 cheaper, it would be much more competitive. For some reason AMD does not want to admit their architecture is still a little inferior and no one is going to spend $700 on this GPU, but I could see $580-$640.

I paid $1100 New Zealand dollars for my Radeon VII at my local brick & mortar computer shop. Cheapest RTX 2080 was $1500 and most were $1600+. That means the Radeon VII is 26% cheaper but only 8% slower (according to TechSpot). Money well spent in my books.

That just means your country is broken. 2080 is cheaper.

 

[m3tavision]

The 2080 is actually has better frame times and MUCH better 1% low, which is super important, so in Gaming it smokes the R VII in every possible way. In productivity you and most AMD fanboys always choose to ignore that the 2080 can do tensor flows with it's tensor cores, and can do ray raycing acceleration rendering which the R VII simply can't, there's no clear win for AMD in workload either, the only thing they can win is mining. The 2080 is clearly the better card in almost any aspects.

Not sure if you think other people are dumb, or you don't know your lying.

The Radeon VII's frame times are superior to RTX 2080, & so are it's % of drop out, which is much less in almost all games. Don't know what reviews you are reading, but obviously you don't understand that DX12 is the future, nobody is buying a $699 card today... cares about last years games.

The Radeon Mi50 sucks you say..? Oh..you mean at gaming, or compute..? Because gaming is pointless when Navi is for gaming, Vega is for compute.

Radeon also supports Freesync2...



And for being smoked..? We both know RDNA can do ray tracing...

 

[Squid Surprise]

Not sure if you think other people are dumb, or you don't know your lying.

The Radeon VII's frame times are superior to RTX 2080, & so are it's % of drop out, which is much less in almost all games. Don't know what reviews you are reading, but obviously you don't understand that DX12 is the future, nobody is buying a $699 card today... cares about last years games.

The Radeon Mi50 sucks you say..? Oh..you mean at gaming, or compute..? Because gaming is pointless when Navi is for gaming, Vega is for compute.

Radeon also supports Freesync2...



And for being smoked..? We both know RDNA can do ray tracing...

Care to provide any evidence for these lies? I’m thinking that not only the 2080 is smoking... perhaps you’d like to share whatever you’re smoking?
Stop defending an inferior card that costs the same as a superior one...

 

[m3tavision]

Care to provide any evidence for these lies? I’m thinking that not only the 2080 is smoking... perhaps you’d like to share whatever you’re smoking?
Stop defending an inferior card that costs the same as a superior one...

Did you say something...

 

[Squid Surprise]

Did you say something...

So I guess you don’t have any evidence.... troll on then

 

[Ravalo]

Again its all dependent on price.
While the RTX 2080 is 8% faster overall through those 38 titles, if the Radeon VII can be had for $75-$100 cheaper, it would be much more competitive. For some reason AMD does not want to admit their architecture is still a little inferior and no one is going to spend $700 on this GPU, but I could see $580-$640.

I paid $1100 New Zealand dollars for my Radeon VII at my local brick & mortar computer shop. Cheapest RTX 2080 was $1500 and most were $1600+. That means the Radeon VII is 26% cheaper but only 8% slower (according to TechSpot). Money well spent in my books.

That just means your country is broken. 2080 is cheaper.

Then mexico is broken af because a radeon VII costs $15000 mexican pesos (about 787 dollars)
Link: https://www.ddtech.mx/producto/tarj...hbm2-4096-bit-sapphire-21291-01-40g-1hdmi-3dp
And the rtx 2080 costs 17000 mexican pesos (over 800 dollars)
Link: https://www.ddtech.mx/producto/tarj...b-gddr6-gigabyte-windforce-8g-gv-n2080wf3-8gc

 

[Squid Surprise]

Then mexico is broken af because a radeon VII costs $15000 mexican pesos (about 787 dollars)
Link: https://www.ddtech.mx/producto/tarj...hbm2-4096-bit-sapphire-21291-01-40g-1hdmi-3dp
And the rtx 2080 costs 17000 mexican pesos (over 800 dollars)
Link: https://www.ddtech.mx/producto/tarj...b-gddr6-gigabyte-windforce-8g-gv-n2080wf3-8gc

I think everyone already knew that Mexico was broken.... but thanks for confirming it for us

 

[Ravalo]

I think everyone already knew that Mexico was broken.... but thanks for confirming it for us

Lol no problem, just doing a favor and telling people to never come to mexico

 

[Tantor]

lulz...

You are the one who sounds angry with reality. The Radeon is the same price and offers nearly the same performance IN GAMES. But do understand, the radeon VII offer better frame times and less in-game drop outs. While also being superior to the GTX2080 in compute and rendering, etc.

So, it is not a win/win for either card, it is a $699 choice!



But what you are really upset about (it seems) is that Navi will usher in RX Vega 64 LC/RTX2070 level of performance for $349 bucks.

It’s a GAMING card... and it is outperformed by the 2080 for the same price... hence the hard pass by anyone with intelligence..

And who said I’m upset about Navi?!? I’ve already stated multiple times that AMD is excellent value for mid and low tier cards... maybe you need to learn to read?

WRONG - the 1080ti is selling for $1200 now. And the VII is faster...

Sheesh, the Nvidia fan dislike for AMD fans is simply mind boggling. You guys might consider checking into an anger management clinic. LOL.

The RVII is a VERY FAST card. It stomps all over the 2070, 2060, 1060. It easily keeps up with the 1080ti, which is selling for $1200 nowadays on Newegg. Sure, it runs about 8% slower than the 2080. But it also costs about 8% less than the average 2080. Most 2080s are in the $750+ range with many up around $1200.

If the RVII was $550, all the haters would be stumbling over themselves to buy one. I bought one with the three game package which was worth at least $150. So I paid $550 for my RVII. Helluva value.

I haven't run into any heat or noise issues, mainly because I run it underclocked with Chill. I really like the control that Wattman provides.

Frankly, I don't give a rat's *** that it took a couple of years for AMD to catch up with the 1080ti. It is what it is. I waited far longer for AMD to bring out the Ryzen. The bottom line is that you always get good value with AMD products. Get over it.

Good value?!?!?! Despite your nonsense, the VII and the 2080 cost the SAME amount of money... yes, there are some OC'd 2080 cards that cost more - no need to buy those!!

And yippee... the VII outperforms cards that are far older and cheaper... duh....

It also outperforms the Nvidia 400 series... should we be giving it awards for that?!?

I love the AMD fanboys who come on here and actually try to defend a company that gives us "high end cards" that can't match their equivalent Nvidia cards...

If something costs the same as something that isn't as good - only a complete fool buys the lousier card...

AMD has plenty of great value - mid-low tier GPUs and Ryzen CPUs...

But the VII is a fool's purchase - which every reviewer and tech site backs up...

Get over it

WRONG - 2080s are considerably more expensive than the VII. Newegg lists them in the $750 to $900 range. The average is at least 8% more than the VII. Sure, there are a couple "bottom of the barrel" 2080s at $699, but there are VIIs at $679. You're not ever going to see 2080's at $679. The 1080ti is far worse. Newegg lists them at $1200+. Why the hell would anyone buy one of those POCs when they can get a faster VII for $699?

AMD provides great value in their products, and the VII is no exception. The 2080 is 8% faster in some games, but it costs at least 8% more. That tells me AMD marketing priced the VII correctly.

Only an ***** would fail to acknowledge that the VII is a very fast and well built card. A few bucks one way or the other are totally irrelevant, except for people who don't take their gaming seriously. You can crybaby all you want, but that's a fact.

 

[Shadowboxer]

WRONG - the 1080ti is selling for $1200 now. And the VII is faster...



WRONG - 2080s are considerably more expensive than the VII. Newegg lists them in the $750 to $900 range. The average is at least 8% more than the VII. Sure, there are a couple "bottom of the barrel" 2080s at $699, but there are VIIs at $679. You're not ever going to see 2080's at $679. The 1080ti is far worse. Newegg lists them at $1200+. Why the hell would anyone buy one of those POCs when they can get a faster VII for $699?

AMD provides great value in their products, and the VII is no exception. The 2080 is 8% faster in some games, but it costs at least 8% more. That tells me AMD marketing priced the VII correctly.

Only an ***** would fail to acknowledge that the VII is a very fast and well built card. A few bucks one way or the other are totally irrelevant, except for people who don't take their gaming seriously. You can crybaby all you want, but that's a fact.

You don’t have your facts straight. The Radeon VII does not match a 2080, it’s slightly slower and even performs like a 2070 in some games. It it’s not cheaper and in the U.K. at least you can get a 2080 for cheaper than a radeon VII. You also don’t have the option of getting a decent cooler and are stuck with AMD’s poor triple fan solution that practically every reviewer condemned for being too loud. Oh and it can’t ray trace, which doesn’t mean much but its still something it’s competitor can do but it can’t.

The Radeon VII was a poor attempt from AMD. It is poor value, loud, hot and inefficient. Nobody should buy it for its current price whilst the 2080 exists.