Report: More PC gamers are turning to AMD's processors

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The report comes from Jon Peddie Research, which partnered with Antikythera Intelligence and Research, and the Wccftech website. It surveyed visitors to the site, asking questions about graphics cards, CPUs, motherboards, and virtual reality.

The October 2019 survey had 4,477 participants, producing 143,264 answers. You can read the full 55-page report here, but, as it’s aimed at those within the industry, you’ll have to hand over $9,000.

Wccftech revealed one interesting fact about the survey results: 41 percent of participants have AMD processors in their systems. The company will doubtlessly be pleased to see it catching up with Intel after years of being in Chipzilla’s shadow, though we’ve already seen plenty of indicators that the tide has been turning recently.

AMD’s fortunes started to change after its Zen architecture arrived two years ago. The company’s market share has increased every quarter since Q2 2017, and its CPUs continue to dominate Amazon’s best-selling processor list in the US, taking nine of the top ten spots. We also saw another survey in November that showed 60 percent of Europeans preferred AMD CPUs over Intel’s—an increase of 50 percent over the previous two years.

One area where AMD’s CPUs aren’t faring quite as well is the Steam Hardware Survey. Its processors are used by just 16 percent of participants, way behind Intel’s 84 percent, and the number of users declined 3.39 percent between November and December after months of growth.

With Ryzen 4000 desktop processors expected to launch in the second half of 2020, the future is looking bright for AMD.

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anth85

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AMD need to get into the business market. Of the 3000+ computers where I work, 1 has a Ryzen cpu, mine, and that's only because I can buy what I want so I could get a consumer model from Dell rather than having to buy business models.
 
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nnguy2

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Damn as soon as I saw wccftech, immediate red flags and trustworthiness.

Already I myself made the switch from Intel to amd cpu as did one other friend of mine. I went from 6700k to 3700x. He went from i3 to 2600.
 

amstech

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Ryzen's been out a few years now, 16% of Steam gamers tells you that gamers don't care about Ryzen and know its a subpar performer unless you spend big, which ruins the point of getting value.
There's even less folks using Radeons...
You should see the comments on Newegg for the 5700...not good, lots of issues.

Comet Lake is coming as a 10/20 and supposed to hit 5.3Ghz in stock form, meaning it may be good for 5.5GHz with some tweaking.
I am happy for Ryzen though, its good to see another competitor in the game, as much as I like Intel, it's got to their head. Until Ryzen their prices were getting out of hand. IMO you will start to see the 3600 make a dent in Steam results, for the price that is one sweet little chip and a solid gamer.
But for gaming AMD is still 3rd place, there is no reason for gamers to upgrade if they are running Intel, which is where you get 16%.

I went from 6700k to 3700x.
You didn't gain anything in gaming performance.
In some games you actually lost performance.

Ryzen is clearly the better CPU choice right now for most users...
This is true for everyone except gamers, which this article focuses on.
 
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Capaill

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It's not made clear how 41% of participants to the survey on that website (which I've never heard of before) equals 41% of PC gamers.
 

Lionvibez

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Ryzen's been out a few years now, 16% of Steam gamers tells you that gamers don't care about Ryzen and know its a subpar performer unless you spend big, which ruins the point of getting value.
There's even less folks using Radeons...
You should see the comments on Newegg for the 5700...not good, lots of issues.

Comet Lake is coming as a 10/20 and supposed to hit 5.3Ghz in stock form, meaning it may be good for 5.5GHz with some tweaking.
I am happy for Ryzen though, its good to see another competitor in the game, as much as I like Intel, it's got to their head. Until Ryzen their prices were getting out of hand. IMO you will start to see the 3600 make a dent in Steam results, for the price that is one sweet little chip and a solid gamer.
But for gaming AMD is still 3rd place, there is no reason for gamers to upgrade if they are running Intel, which is where you get 16%.


You didn't gain anything in gaming performance.
In some games you actually lost performance.


This is true for everyone except gamers, which this article focuses on.
Is there ever a Positive AMD report that you intel guys can just stay out of and leave it alone without interjecting the negativity.

Why does it bother you so much that AMD is doing well?

Like seriously?

As soon as I saw this news report I know who would be posting its like clock work on this site.
 

Squid Surprise

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I will agree with you on that.

And the same for the stream survery results not everyone uses steam and not everyone that uses stream does the hardware survery's.

so there is always an * with the posted numbers.
Well, at least Steam is a place specifically for PC Gamers. So while everyone may not use it, it can at least be indicative of what PC Gamers might be doing... But visitors to a sketchy tech website? I don't think so!
 
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Lionvibez

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Agreed but one should still not take a Steam survey as the holy grail for numbers.

If you were to argue which one has more credibility its no doubt it would be value over wccftech
 
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kira setsu

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My 3770k is still battling whatever titles I throw at it, and because of that whenever I do upgrade my rig I may just stick to intel cause this chip has been such a steady beast.

gpu though, whatever is best at the moment since those have nowhere near the longevity.
 

dirtyferret

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I will agree with you on that.

And the same for the stream survery results not everyone uses steam and not everyone that uses stream does the hardware survery's.

so there is always an * with the posted numbers.
no there is no "*" with Steams Survey. Steam might not represent every gamer out there but they do represent the vast majority and the overwhelming majority of PC's that have STEAM are part of the hardware survey. Steams numbers of roughly 77% Intel / 23 % AMD users is also backed up by surverys from Gartner group. None of that makes Intel better then AMD or vice versa. It simply states what CPU is in the majority of PCs. If you feel inadequate because of your PC hardware not being popular, thats a you problem.

Just because you don't like the results of the survey does not give you the right to bash the statistical mathematics behind it. I don't like American made pick up trucks but that doesn't mean the top three selling cars in the USA are not all pick up trucks from the big three (the F-150 more then doubling any individual import). If I sampled the parking lots of grocery stores and malls from all 50 states, guess which three vehicles will come up most???

https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm#two

as for the survey in the story, it only represents users for wcctech
 
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amstech

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Is there ever a Positive AMD report that you intel guys can just stay out of and leave it alone without interjecting the negativity.
This is the main issue with fanboyism right here, this exact comment I am quoting.
I was not injecting any negativity.
The truth is what it is.
Ryzen is stellar and the future is super bright for AMD, I personally think its great.
But this article is about gaming, steam results and why only 16% of Steamers use Ryzen.
If your upset by this, you need to take a look in the mirror, cause its not me being self deceptive, its you and others like you that take issue with my comments, which are just truth and opinions based on truth. Try not to be red or green, be neutral and look at things without being subjective.
For gaming only, Intel users have no reason to budge.
Even folks building a PC today for gaming only reasons should still go Intel in many cases, and anyone arguing that is just living in denial.
It doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't buy Ryzen, or that they can't make for a great gaming rig to build on, but the benchmarks are what they are and until Ryzen does better with gaming, gamers have no reason to switch or, heck, even upgrade for that matter, regardless of what they have now.
For example If you got a 7700K or 8700K, or 2700X your still sitting pretty, as they still do very well in games. It's not a knock on Ryzen, its just that Intel chips game very well.
 
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Lionvibez

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This is the main issue with fanboyism right here, this exact comment I am quoting.
I was not injecting any negativity.
The truth is what it is.
Ryzen is stellar and the future is super bright for AMD, I personally think its great.
But this article is about gaming, steam results and why only 16% of Steamers use Ryzen.
If your upset by this, you need to take a look in the mirror, cause its not me being self deceptive, its you and others like you that take issue with my comments, which are just truth and opinions based on truth. Try not to be red or green, be neutral and look at things without being subjective.
For gaming only, Intel users have no reason to budge.
Even folks building a PC today for gaming only reasons should still go Intel in many cases, and anyone arguing that is just living in denial.
It doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't buy Ryzen, or that they can't make for a great gaming rig to build on, but the benchmarks are what they are and until Ryzen does better with gaming, gamers have no reason to switch or, heck, even upgrade for that matter, regardless of what they have now.
For example If you got a 7700K or 8700K, or 2700X your still sitting pretty, as they still do very well in games. It's not a knock on Ryzen, its just that Intel chips game very well.
I'm not upset by anything anyone post on this site don't get ahead of yourself.

Just pointing out what I see. This news story really doesn't have anything to do with intel yet.

Yet here we are again.

no there is no "*" with Steams Survey. Steam might not represent every gamer out there but they do represent the vast majority and the overwhelming majority of PC's that have STEAM are part of the hardware survey. Steams numbers of roughly 77% Intel / 23 % AMD users is also backed up by surverys from Gartner group. None of that makes Intel better then AMD or vice versa. It simply states what CPU is in the majority of PCs. If you feel inadequate because of your PC hardware not being popular, thats a you problem.

Just because you don't like the results of the survey does not give you the right to bash the statistical mathematics behind it. I don't like American made pick up trucks but that doesn't mean the top three selling cars in the USA are not all pick up trucks from the big three (the F-150 more then doubling any individual import). If I sampled the parking lots of grocery stores and malls from all 50 states, guess which three vehicles will come up most???

https://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm#two

as for the survey in the story, it only represents users for wcctech
I'm not arguing the results I'm just saying not everyone has steam installed and not everyone has it allow it to report their hardware. which is something everyone should keep at the back of their mind when looking at the stats.

And last time I checked having an opinion is not bashing. I haven't said anything negative about the survey at all.
 
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dirtyferret

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Is there ever a Positive AMD report that you intel guys can just stay out of and leave it alone without interjecting the negativity.

Why does it bother you so much that AMD is doing well?
The article is poorly worded and probably done so on purpose.

AMD is doing great and has taken away 6% market share from Intel (that is not an easy thing to do). I would also state that any "Intel fan" with a six core i5 or better processor needs to be thanking AMD not knocking them.
 

TheBigT42

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AMD need to get into the business market. Of the 3000+ computers where I work, 1 has a Ryzen cpu, mine, and that's only because I can buy what I want so I could get a consumer model from Dell rather than having to buy business models.
Unfortunately in the business world there is an unfair bias against AMD CPUs. I over heard the manager over desktop purchases tell Dell sale that we only wanted Intel CPUs. The only reason they could give me is compatibility concerns...Not a valid point.
 

wiyosaya

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AMD need to get into the business market. Of the 3000+ computers where I work, 1 has a Ryzen cpu, mine, and that's only because I can buy what I want so I could get a consumer model from Dell rather than having to buy business models.
It is - EPYC. And it is well-known in the enthusiast community, at least, that EPYC outright beats Xeon.

Businesses don't buy in overnight. It will cost businesses a fortune to replace all their computers with AMD based systems. Imagine how much it will cost your business to replace all of those 3000+ machines especially if they were to do it all at the same time.

Where AMD is currently out-competing sIntel is in the HPC market with their recent supercomputer wins. That also makes for great publicity for AMD, and it may drive the technically less astute business execs to say "let's buy AMD for our next computers."
 

Lionvibez

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Unfortunately in the business world there is an unfair bias against AMD CPUs. I over heard the manager over desktop purchases tell Dell sale that we only wanted Intel CPUs. The only reason they could give me is compatibility concerns...Not a valid point.
You still get tons of this from older users which sadly tend to be the person responsible for Hardware purchases. The last place I worked a very large law firm the IT manager if you mentioned anything AMD thought you were talking about Bulldozer based cpus had no clue ryzen was around and lived in a bubble. I always found it quite funny and would bug him about it daily always good for laugh.
 

Theinsanegamer

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Unfortunately in the business world there is an unfair bias against AMD CPUs. I over heard the manager over desktop purchases tell Dell sale that we only wanted Intel CPUs. The only reason they could give me is compatibility concerns...Not a valid point.
In the server world, it is a real concern. There should be no issue, right? Well, if you are managing virtual machine hosts, transferring a live VM from an intel to a AMD server can cause problems. Both VMware and HyperV warn of this issue. So if you already have a ton of intel srvers and need another few, guess which ones are more likely to be stable? AMD EPYC offers a good value, but it will take time and testing before businesses are willing to risk downtime to buy AMD over intel.
 

pit1209

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This is the main issue with fanboyism right here, this exact comment I am quoting.
I was not injecting any negativity.
The truth is what it is.
Ryzen is stellar and the future is super bright for AMD, I personally think its great.
But this article is about gaming, steam results and why only 16% of Steamers use Ryzen.
If your upset by this, you need to take a look in the mirror, cause its not me being self deceptive, its you and others like you that take issue with my comments, which are just truth and opinions based on truth. Try not to be red or green, be neutral and look at things without being subjective.
For gaming only, Intel users have no reason to budge.
Even folks building a PC today for gaming only reasons should still go Intel in many cases, and anyone arguing that is just living in denial.
It doesn't mean that a gamer shouldn't buy Ryzen, or that they can't make for a great gaming rig to build on, but the benchmarks are what they are and until Ryzen does better with gaming, gamers have no reason to switch or, heck, even upgrade for that matter, regardless of what they have now.
For example If you got a 7700K or 8700K, or 2700X your still sitting pretty, as they still do very well in games. It's not a knock on Ryzen, its just that Intel chips game very well.
Yeah and now your source to say that Intel is the best for gaming is a survey where the 70% is playing at 1080p and the most used GPU is the GTX 1060, at this point there is no way you can consider yourself objective or unbiased favoring a company that has been making fun of all of us for the last 7 years and now is playing catch up against a competition 100x smaller and that battles in two fronts.
 

0dium

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Intel fanboys will only accept those statistics sources where intel wins. Everyone knows that steam survey is flawed and they still accept it as a legit source. Year ago I changed my GPU to amd, half a year ago I changed my platform from Intel to amd and steam didn't show me a survey. Yet years before that when I was changing CPUs and GPUs I had it every time
 
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lipe123

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The steam hardware survey must have something weird going on with it, look at the previous months?!

There is never a month with more than 0.5% change and suddenly is a 3.5% change? Either millions of people got new intel computers for christmas or there is some kind of bug with their survey right now.

Also the whole "intel is best for gamers" has to be taken with a grain of salt. What it actually says is "if you spend more than $2000 on your gaming rig then intel is better. If you want to game for < $1500 (the majority of normal people that's not jeff bezos) AMD is better.
 

Adi6293

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My 3770k is still battling whatever titles I throw at it, and because of that whenever I do upgrade my rig I may just stick to intel cause this chip has been such a steady beast.

gpu though, whatever is best at the moment since those have nowhere near the longevity.
That would be silly as right now AMD is definitely a better choice
 
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