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Report: Samsung to drop the headphone jack from its phones

By midian182 · 62 replies
Oct 10, 2018
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  1. toooooot

    toooooot TS Evangelist Posts: 829   +411

    If they include usb- C converter, I guess it will be alright with me.
    Bluetooth aptX allows for amazing audio quality compared to older Bluetooth standards for music streaming. Check out some headphones from your local best buy that use this standard, you might find them very close in quality compared to wired headphones.
  2. ShagnWagn

    ShagnWagn TS Guru Posts: 734   +566

    Three that I use consistently. At work, home gaming headset, noise cancelling for mowing/outdoor work. I have more in drawers that were freebies. I've thought about getting wireless for workouts, but again, with the huge bluetooth audio delay they won't work for anything else. That's why I haven't bought any yet. :(

    The point is... I'm not going to carry around more equipment so I can shave 1/16th of an inch off my phone's height. Not to mention the adapter will add the possibility to scratch the phone (I have two phones), plus the cord get bent around and worn out, plus possibly getting lost or left behind, plus another thing to try and remember... etc etc. Plus when I'm not wearing something with pockets like lake shorts or running pants. Ugh... See why I'm not going to do it? :)
    senketsu and Polycount like this.
  3. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 4,008   +3,503

    I'm not sure "just fine" is a standard you should strive for. Usually at my work, we try to at least do good. If were doing "just fine" it's not a good thing.

    On a technical level BT introduces latency, increases the cost to make a headphone, and introduces additional points of failure. Wireless headphones need a battery which not only need to be charged (a pain) but are also a harzard if shipped or on a plane. In addition, Wireless headphones need to be certified that they are not emitting too much interference. Unless a high quality battery is included, you can expect most wireless batteries to last a year before loosing significant charge. Wired headphones can last decades. Of course you can buy more expensive wireless cans that come with Japanese batteries that have a 5 year life rating but it's more costly. There are numerous other disadvantages but that's enough for now.

    The point of going wireless is because it's supposed to be convenient but the technology isn't there yet.

    aptX is also owned by Qualcomm and requires a BT adapter that supports it (they have to pay Qualcomm). So both the headphone and phone manufacturer have to pay Qualcomm in order to used aptX. aptX still has it's issues as well and comparing it to prior standards like SBC isn't really flattering, given that they had a ton of latency and poor audio quality. It definitely isn't suited for anything realtime or gaming and that's why many wireless gaming headsets using their own wireless codec/tech. If you want wireless headphones to become popular, you need it to be on a free to implement open standard that can work in all use cases.
    ShagnWagn likes this.
  4. thews86

    thews86 TS Booster Posts: 42   +42

    Who said I want to charge my earbuds too?
    senketsu likes this.
  5. Xclusiveitalian

    Xclusiveitalian TS Evangelist Posts: 787   +173

    I just got the Samsung Galaxy Note 9 and it's an amazing phone...Looks like it will be the last Samsung device I buy. I will NEVER buy a phone that does not have an audio port. Think wisely about this Samsung. You want to follow Apple to the grave? Their fans are blindly loyal and buying $300 phones for $1500, Samsung/Android users do NOT follow so blindly.
    orondf, ShagnWagn and Kingbiscuit like this.
  6. yeeeeman

    yeeeeman TS Addict Posts: 169   +142

    It was about time. No need for a million connectors, just one that can do all the stuff.
    And for all the desperate people above, threatening Samsung to not buy any phone if it doesn't have a headphone jack. Dudes, usb-c to jack adaptor has been invented. It just lenghtens the cable by half an inch. Why are you being so close minded?
    And please, don't start with arguments that digital to analog conversion breaks music quality cause your not professional musicians.
  7. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 4,008   +3,503

    The USB C to 3.5mm adapter has to include a DAC (like apple's adapter). To put it simply, you are not getting a quality DAC, especially at the adapter's price point. It doesn't take a musician to tell the difference. If the device had a 3.5mm jack built-in, a quality DAC would also be integrated into the phone, simply because there are far less constraints.

    No one is going to argue that the digital to analog conversion is going to break your music quality as every headphone goes through that conversion. You are converting 0s and 1s to sound waves wireless headphones or wired. What is arguable based on facts alone is that the quality of DAC is much lower in those adapters then had they simply integrated it into the phone.

    Also ignoring that you can't charge while listening. What, another adapter? By the time you are done limiting your own options you'll end up with more adapter spaghetti than a switchboard operator.

    People for or against the 3.5mm jack are both fine. It's people who call one or the other names like "close minded" who are the problem. This isn't a point for or against either side, it's simply making fun of people's preference.
  8. yeeeeman

    yeeeeman TS Addict Posts: 169   +142

    That's ok, I am just stating facts, I am not making things up. People are hung up on this headphone jack because most of them didn't heard about adaptors.
    Charging and listening to music? Not a very realistic scenario.
  9. KernTUG

    KernTUG TS Enthusiast Posts: 25   +6

    How is it possible to be so emotionally invested in a phone?
  10. Musician

    Musician TS Enthusiast Posts: 39   +23

    Not true for me. I have to toggle between charging my phone and music in office because I don’t want to leave office for a 1.5 hour train ride with only 20% battery. I had to get a special dongle that does both and looks a little silly.
  11. fktech

    fktech TS Maniac Posts: 526   +138

    Next phone S11 in 2024 - discounted. Haha!
  12. H3llion

    H3llion TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,694   +438

    I skate a lot, this is not a problem for me no matter which manufacturer drops the headphone jack. HOWEVER, at least replace it with something else, something USEFUL!
  13. gamerk2

    gamerk2 TS Maniac Posts: 261   +161

    The adapters kill audio quality though, since they don't have a quality DAC in them. I use $150 headphones; why would I want to reduce quality down to the lowest denominator?

    And at work, I leave my phone charging so I don't have a 10% battery on the way home. All while listening to music/podcasts.

    Guess I'm not getting another Samsung.
  14. yeeeeman

    yeeeeman TS Addict Posts: 169   +142

    The solution to your problem is for Samsung and other OEMs to provide an adaptor with charge and music capability at once. It could be made modular, so that it doesn't look like a potato when you only use it for music. Case closed.
    Headphone jack is not some sort of holy grail and usb c has been well thought to support a lot of stuff, all while being tiny.
  15. FliGuyRyan

    FliGuyRyan TS Enthusiast Posts: 43   +19

    Ah, then let me bring you into the loop of AptX Low Latency... And I would bet you those expensive headphones you have that you couldn't tell a difference in sound quality between wired and AptX Bluetooth streaming.

    As much as I hate that they're going away from the headphone jack, I have to admit that there are 13 devices paired with my phone that are recognized via Bluetooth connection. I rarely use the headphone jack now. And, you can always get a wireless adapter for your headphones that the 3.5mm plugs into. Such as this... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EHSX28M/?tag=httpwwwtechsp-20
  16. As soon as a phone manufacture removes the headphone jack, everyone suddenly becomes an audiophile and becomes hyper-aware of their music quality standards.
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  17. justin69

    justin69 TS Rookie

    Try play 24bit sound over bluetooth.
    Sounds like crap
  18. Musician

    Musician TS Enthusiast Posts: 39   +23

    You never knew what you had till you’ve lost it.

    Back to sleep before I lose that too.
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  19. nismo91

    nismo91 TS Evangelist Posts: 1,001   +72

    I have to agree with this. Especially bluetooth headset will use its own DAC to process the signal, instead of the phone DAC.

    smartphone makers have, over the years, improve the quality of the sound DAC to the point that the current solution offered is a step backward in terms of sound quality (built-in DAC vs cheap DAC found in usb-c converter). look at the first Galaxy S, and how the onboard DAC evolved. Now they're just going to give it up and give you a cheap $10 DAC.

    so the problem is, manufacturers are removing their own innovation for nothing. waterproofing you say? LG can waterproof their phones with 3.5mm jack. battery capacity you say? how much more a tiny 3.5mm jack up your phone battery? at most only 30mAh. to make the phone slimmer you say? well, take the LG V30 which is 7.3mm thick, even thinner than iphone xs or xr. lastly, to make space for components inside phone? well if you've opened a phone with 3.5mm jack, you'll realize it doesn't take that much space, as other components can be stacked and rearranged upon design.

    it's funny, 13years ago you can't plug a 3.5mm jack to your phones and you have to find an adapter, depending on what your phone is. now, we're back at it again.
  20. ShagnWagn

    ShagnWagn TS Guru Posts: 734   +566

    Thank you for sharing. I know of these devices, but would you want to carry this monstrosity in addition to a phone (I carry two phones) plus the headphones, and need to worry about charging this as well? All because of a tiny little jack they want to get rid of? Plus the additional expense of buying one of these for every set of headphones?

    "apX enhances the sound quality. Note that aptXmust be incorporated in both sender and receiver to obtain the enhanced sound quality effect"
    Uh, I don't see how this will help me unless I am not finding what you are referring to.

    It's not quite as much as sound quality, but the two second delay bluetooth has! That is insane. A google search will show you if you don't believe me. I currently use a Samsung S8, so it's not that I have an old phone. A jack has zero latency!

    I'm trying and reading the comments, but I'm still not seeing any benefit to get rid of the jack except a tiny bit bigger battery.
  21. ghostf1re

    ghostf1re TS Guru Posts: 414   +265

    Bluetooth has pretty terrible audio quality compared to wired. If you're cool with bluetooth then great, but what about the people who have wired setups they like or are expensive? I only ever use bluetooth for audio when I'm making a hands free call. Music is wired for me.
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  22. GregonMaui

    GregonMaui TS Booster Posts: 137   +45

    Hahaha. I can see the commercials now. Have some clueless looking actors with lots of adapters to plug in their phones and charge them while they are listening to music (instead of just using wireless earphones and charging the phone laying down because the bluetooth tech has a 100 ft range), and then............ oh wait they did this already
  23. Evernessince

    Evernessince TS Evangelist Posts: 4,008   +3,503

    aptX is also owned by Qualcomm and requires a BT adapter that supports it (they have to pay Qualcomm). So both the headphone and phone manufacturer have to pay Qualcomm in order to used aptX. aptX still has it's issues as well and comparing it to prior standards like SBC isn't really flattering, given that they had a ton of latency and poor audio quality. It definitely isn't suited for anything realtime or gaming and that's why many wireless gaming headsets using their own wireless codec/tech.

    This aside from having to charge batteries and the limited lifespan of said batteries. You are looking at about 1-3 years of use depending on quality and cycles and then the battery dies. Thanks to each headphone having a different battery, you now have to replace the entire unit.
  24. sac39507

    sac39507 TS Addict Posts: 252   +99

    how about those who currently have really nice headphones they don't won't to get rid of or have to buy some stupid adapter?
  25. Lew Zealand

    Lew Zealand TS Guru Posts: 675   +578

    Maybe. That's a reasonable assumption but not necessarily the correct one.

    Has anyone done a blinded sound quality comparo between Apple's last built-in DAC in the 6s and compared it to the external one bundled with the 7? That's the only way to compare these and then that's only for Apple's products.

    Other companies may use crappy DACs in their phones or their adapters, with little regard for sound quality. Jobs had a bit of a thing for sound quality so historically Apple has included at least competent DACs in their devices but I don't know that other major players do the same.

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