Rumor: AMD to unveil next-gen RDNA 2 GPU with ray tracing support at CES 2020

Puiu

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I forgot about that one, the Witcher 3 was both graphically awe inspiring and fantastic story wise. It also had a gameplay depth that was difficult for even an RPG veteran like me to wrap my head around.

It wasn't as open world and free as I would have liked, but, damn, if the story wasn't the greatest ive experienced since Freespace 2
As time passes and you get older you encounter what has happened to me, too little time to play a game, which makes the whole experience bad: the gameplay becomes very fragmented, you forget the game mechanics, you forget the story, etc, etc. And you also start expecting too much from certain games with nostalgia making things from the past look better than they actually were.

Take my advice, just relax and enjoy whatever you can when you can. Play some CS:GO or an MMO (I like Eve Online for example). I recently started playing My time at Portia just because I liked the more relaxing nature of the game after work :D (I got it from the Humble Bundle monthly which also has Yakuza Kiwami, another game I want to play)
 

Maxiking

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AMD didn't postpone anything... you are trying to spread FUD again..

Don't forget, that AMD came out with one 7nm 252mm^2 GPU Navi10 chip that caused Nvidia to come out with 3 new GPU's to compete with it. Now AMD has released their 153mm^2 navi14 that caused Nvidia to release even more 1600 cards...

AMD can't keep enough rDNA chips on the shelves, so they products are highly sought after. AMD has no reason to rush things like Nvidia, only to be the first with a broken RTX experience. That does nothing but leave people angry... like Jensen did.

Secondly, if rDNA was better than Turing, then rDNA2 will be far out ahead of Turing. Subsequently, the Radeon VII was only sold for 7 months and went EOL when 5700XTX came out. Because rDNA is better than GCN too.

Lastly, Big Navi (345mm^2 ?) will be AMD's 4th 7mn GPU.... and we are still 10 month away from seeing a 7nm GPU from Nvidia for gamers.

Nvidia earns more money by selling gaming cards than the whole AMD combined.

So no, AMD cards do not sell that really well.

No, there is nothing broken on RTX.

RDNA is a joke, Nvidia die shrink on 7nm without raytracing cores would be smaller and consume half of the power compared to RDNA.
 
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krizby

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As time passes and you get older you encounter what has happened to me, too little time to play a game, which makes the whole experience bad: the gameplay becomes very fragmented, you forget the game mechanics, you forget the story, etc, etc. And you also start expecting too much from certain games with nostalgia making things from the past look better than they actually were.

Take my advice, just relax and enjoy whatever you can when you can. Play some CS:GO or an MMO (I like Eve Online for example). I recently started playing My time at Portia just because I liked the more relaxing nature of the game after work :D (I got it from the Humble Bundle monthly which also has Yakuza Kiwami, another game I want to play)
And here I am with a full time job and a family, still play game like mad :D. Although TW3 kinda ruin the RPG genre for me as I couldn't find any other RPG even come close to it.
Some noteworthy game this year: Total Wars Three Kingdoms, Control, Metro Exodus, Frostpunk, Mutant Year Zero: Road to Eden (XCOM style).

Back to topic though, any high end GPU that is going to be released in 2020 without dedicated RT hardware is gonna be hard to sell. The same excuse for not having RT because of "unplayable FPS with RTX ON" won't work. With Cyberpunk 2077 to use ray trace emissive lights, RT ambient occlusion and RT skyline (source), not having RT capable GPU is like handicapping yourself to medium presets.
 

JKLauderdale

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This reminds me of 10 years ago, I bought a ATI 4850 in October 2008, only for a year later the 5850 to come out offer 50+% performance increase in games.
Would it surprise you to hear that my old 4850 is still going strong in its 3rd computer? It went from my gaming rig to my kids' and from there to their gma's office PC. It's not really being stressed for anything but it's still working, probably still capable of 1080p WOW... but can it play Crysis?
 
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Would it surprise you to hear that my old 4850 is still going strong in its 3rd computer? It went from my gaming rig to my kids' and from there to their gma's office PC. It's not really being stressed for anything but it's still working, probably still capable of 1080p WOW... but can it play Crysis?
It can play Crysis at 720p high, I think it would struggle to get a decent framerate if pushed to a higher resolution. The 4850 although had the same GPU as the 4870 the 4870 had GDDR5 memory 115.2 GB/s vs GDDR3 in the 4850 which gave 63.55 GB/s of memory bandwidth. so the 4870 is better at higher resolutons.
 

ATInsider

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Sometimes I hate being a PC enthusiasts, I only just ordered a full cover block for my Radeon VII and considering how close 5700XT is to VII big Navi with crush my card :-( spending never ends ;-P
It's never ending. Though your VII is more than enough for modern games nowadays. I am curious about Big Navi w/ Ray Tracing. Seeing how the PS5 and new XBOX is going to be powered by ZEN3 and RDNA2, I can see all game developers properly implementing Ray Tracing the right way. Unlike Nvidia's failed RTX attempt.
 

ATInsider

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Nvidia earns more money by selling gaming cards than the whole AMD combined.

So no, AMD cards do not sell that really well.

No, there is nothing broken on RTX.

RDNA is a joke, Nvidia die shrink on 7nm without raytracing cores would be smaller and consume half of the power compared to RDNA.
Nvidia sold its RTX line for rip off prices. They offered a feature (Ray Tracing) that didn't work properly because it crippled the games performance, then implemented DLSS which ended up being trash. DLSS decreased visual quality A LOT all while increasing performance.

How influential was AMD's NAVI towards Nvidia? Very much so that it forced Nvidia to launch a refreshed RTX lineup called Super. Its because RDNA beat Nvidia in the mainstream, they beat the RTX 2070 at a better price point making the 2070 no longer worth its price tag.

Don't underestimate AMD, they are battling both bullies Intel and Nvidia, we need fair competition so this industry can thrive. Stop being a bloody fanboy lol
 

ATInsider

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Ray tracing is one of the most demanding techniques of rendering. It's not easy to make a good implementation. What we see now is totally ridiculous. Graphics cars are nowhere near in power to deliver proper ray tracing. We need a quantum leap to make RT ("ray-tracing") truly RT ("real-time"). And by quantum leap I mean either quantum computers (which won't become mainstream anytime soon) or germanium-based chips, which can work at higher clock.
AMD should have better success in Ray Tracing implementation. Both Next Generation Consoles by Sony & Micro$oft depend on it. And I am sure both Sony & M$ are working with AMD to make this happen.
 

JKLauderdale

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AMD should have better success in Ray Tracing implementation...
I'm actually looking forward to AMD's rumored announcement at 2020's CES. I'm building a new rig in a 50cal can. Willing to settle for 2K but would LOVE to push it to full 4K capability w/ ray tracing and FreeSync.

MechWarrior 5 and Cyberpunk 2077 in 4K with ray tracing in a case slightly larger than a lunch box... I could be happy with that for a bit :)