Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Ryzen 7 5800X: Zen 3 Gaming Shootout

[Irata]

Compare it to the 5900X.... that CPU is currently selling for under $400 - $50 cheaper than the 5800X3D will...

Almost wondering if AMD paid Techspot to advertise for them... seems we're getting a LOT of articles and comparisons with this dead-end chip...

You do realize that the 5800X3d is something very special from a tech perspective ?

While it‘s not for me (I‘ll go for a 5700X from my 2700X) I can still appreciate the tech that gives a noticeable performance increase at an even more noticeable power decrease. Imho, that‘s impressive.

Afaik, it‘s the first CPU of its kind even if it‘s on a five year old platform which, if you look at it is also nice, considering it‘s a drop in upgrade for those rocking a 1600 on a 300 series board.

 

[Lionvibez]

Almost wondering if AMD paid Techspot to advertise for them... seems we're getting a LOT of articles and comparisons with this dead-end chip...

This is not a dead end chip for people on AM4. And what basis do you have to claim bias or a paid review on TS part?

This sounds fanboyish...

 

[Squid Surprise]

You do realize that the 5800X3d is something very special from a tech perspective ?

While it‘s not for me (I‘ll go for a 5700X from my 2700X) I can still appreciate the tech that gives a noticeable performance increase at an even more noticeable power decrease. Imho, that‘s impressive.

Afaik, it‘s the first CPU of its kind even if it‘s on a five year old platform which, if you look at it is also nice, considering it‘s a drop in upgrade for those rocking a 1600 on a 300 series board.

I'm not arguing that.... although it's not quite as "special" as all that...we're not seeing articles talking about how the tech works... we're seeing giant benchmark articles - but against CPUs that make no sense to compare it to!

First they compare it to a CPU that is almost double the price in the 12900K... then they compare it to its own predecessor, the 5800X (wow, it won - didn't see that coming!)...

The only benchmark that makes sense - comparing it to an Intel CPU that actually costs the same or similar - still hasn't come out yet... but it's coming... THAT article I'll actually be interested to read!

Of course, we can extrapolate the results - it will narrowly beat out the 12700/12600/12500 in gaming but get thrashed in productivity... I'm hoping that Techspot will include OCd results for the Intel (where it will match the 5800X3d in gaming performance) - they won't OC a 5800X3D by the way, something these articles don't give a reason for... but check out other sites and you'll see that it CAN'T BE DONE.... another damning piece against this CPU.

 

[Squid Surprise]

This is not a dead end chip for people on AM4. And what basis do you have to claim bias or a paid review on TS part?

This sounds fanboyish...

Definition of dead end: "impossible to upgrade"... is there a reason to buy a brand new MB for this CPU? No... because it is a DEAD END. Not a bad thing if you need the upgrade... but certainly not something you should be building a brand new system around,

 

[maroon1]

Why many of games are being tested on medium setting ?? Valorant runs 500+fps even on 4K. So why the hell you use medium setting ??

 

[Lionvibez]

Definition of dead end: "impossible to upgrade"... is there a reason to buy a brand new MB for this CPU? No... because it is a DEAD END. Not a bad thing if you need the upgrade... but certainly not something you should be building a brand new system around,

This chip is not for people doing brand new builds. And no one said it was, you are injecting that point to support your argument.

 

[Squid Surprise]

This chip is not for people doing brand new builds. And no one said it was, you are injecting that point to support your argument.

There's no problem with a "dead end" if you like where you are.... I just pointed it out as some people might think this is a viable choice for a new build - and it really isn't.

Read my previous posts on this forum - I'm neither an AMD or Intel fanboy.... Right now, however, Intel has the best CPUs for new builds... that hasn't been the case for awhile - and might not be in a few months - but I call it like I see it..

 

[Lionvibez]

There's no problem with a "dead end" if you like where you are.... I just pointed it out as some people might think this is a viable choice for a new build - and it really isn't.

Read my previous posts on this forum - I'm neither an AMD or Intel fanboy.... Right now, however, Intel has the best CPUs for new builds... that hasn't been the case for awhile - and might not be in a few months - but I call it like I see it..

You are projecting your own view here.

As posted by others for anyone on pre Zen 3 chip on AM4 this is a solid upgrade. Not everyone builds computers with an upgrade path in mind. I have many friends that will spend a couple thousand on a build sit on it for 5-7 years then build something new and at most they just add more memory.

Secondly you clearly are not buying this cpu so why do you care so much?

I rarely see people with AMD builds going into product reviews for Intel processors they are clearly not going to buy then trying to cast doubts on the products. But on AMD products reviews you Intel users doing this alot like they feel threated... And this is what I mean it it leans on the fan boy side.

 

[Squid Surprise]

You are projecting your own view here.

As posted by others for anyone on pre Zen 3 chip on AM4 this is a solid upgrade. Not everyone builds computers with an upgrade path in mind. I have many friends that will spend a couple thousand on a build sit on it for 5-7 years then build something new and at most the just add more memory.

Secondly you clearly are not buying this cpu so why do you care so much?

Of course I'm projecting my own view... this is an internet forum!

And it ISN'T a solid upgrade when the 5900X is $50 cheaper... if prices change, then maybe it is... but if you are upgrading from a 1000/2000 system, you will not notice much of a difference gaming with a 5900X or 5800X3D... but you might notice how much faster your productivity apps run - 4 extra cores really matter... if money isn't an option - get the 5950!

Since you won't be able to upgrade past a 5000 series chip on your motherboard, all 5000 series chips are "dead ends"... again, this isn't a bad thing - provided you are in a good place with your "end"

Lastly... this is an internet forum... I don't really "care" about lots of stuff... but it's fun to post

 

[Lionvibez]

Of course I'm projecting my own view... this is an internet forum!

And it ISN'T a solid upgrade when the 5900X is $50 cheaper... if prices change, then maybe it is... but if you are upgrading from a 1000/2000 system, you will not notice much of a difference gaming with a 5900X or 5800X3D... but you might notice how much faster your productivity apps run - 4 extra cores really matter... if money isn't an option - get the 5950!

Since you won't be able to upgrade past a 5000 series chip on your motherboard, all 5000 series chips are "dead ends"... again, this isn't a bad thing - provided you are in a good place with your "end"

Lastly... this is an internet forum... I don't really "care" about lots of stuff... but it's fun to post

ok so the just of your post is don't buy this its a dead end and just go ADL?

Or did I miss anything?

 

[Squid Surprise]

ok so the just of your post is don't buy this its a dead end and just go ADL?

Or did I miss anything?

No... it's don't buy this because there are better (and cheaper) alternatives!

 

[Lionvibez]

No... it's don't buy this because there are better (and cheaper) alternatives!

Well I hope all the thousands of AM4 users out there sitting on Pre Zen 3 chips are reading your post.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Well I hope all the thousands of AM4 users out there sitting on Pre Zen 3 chips are reading your post.

Hope so too...

Here's a telling review from a different website I'll leave for you (and them) to peruse.

The 5800X3D has the same core architecture / IPC as the 5800X but it runs at lower clock speeds and has an extra 64MB of cache (96MB up from 32MB). This results in relatively low latency readings at 128MB because those transfers have a higher chance of remaining in cache. For most real-world tasks performance will be comparable to the 5800X which is $120 USD cheaper. Some specific cache sensitive scenarios such as canned game benchmarks will benefit. Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins and ignore the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD’s marketers continue to show more interest in this year’s bonuses than the longevity of the brand. Instead of focusing on real-world performance, they attempt to dupe consumers with benchmark busting headlines. The same tactics were used with the Radeon 5000 series GPUs. In order to compete, Zen4 needs to bring substantial IPC improvements, rather than overpriced "3D" marketing gimmicks. Either way, new high end PC gaming builders have little reason to look further than the 12600K. Users with existing AM4 builds should wait just a few more months for Zen4 / Raptor Lake rather than wasting money on an end-of-life platform.

 

[Lionvibez]

Hope so too...

Here's a telling review from a different website I'll leave for you (and them) to peruse.

The 5800X3D has the same core architecture / IPC as the 5800X but it runs at lower clock speeds and has an extra 64MB of cache (96MB up from 32MB). This results in relatively low latency readings at 128MB because those transfers have a higher chance of remaining in cache. For most real-world tasks performance will be comparable to the 5800X which is $120 USD cheaper. Some specific cache sensitive scenarios such as canned game benchmarks will benefit. Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins and ignore the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD’s marketers continue to show more interest in this year’s bonuses than the longevity of the brand. Instead of focusing on real-world performance, they attempt to dupe consumers with benchmark busting headlines. The same tactics were used with the Radeon 5000 series GPUs. In order to compete, Zen4 needs to bring substantial IPC improvements, rather than overpriced "3D" marketing gimmicks. Either way, new high end PC gaming builders have little reason to look further than the 12600K. Users with existing AM4 builds should wait just a few more months for Zen4 / Raptor Lake rather than wasting money on an end-of-life platform.

I'm an AM4 user an on a 5800X Don't need to even bother with that I can come to my own conclusions based on my workflow and what I do on my system. My local store had a bunch of these in stock and all sold out now so it appears people are buying.....

 

[Squid Surprise]

I'm an AM4 user an on a 5800X Don't need to even bother with that I can come to my own conclusions based on my workflow and what I do on my system.

You ask me why I care... yet here you are rocking a 5800X?!?! Obviously this CPU isn't for you either!

I am rocking an Intel 5960X.... (I find the naming ironic) I bought it over 7 years ago and despite it being the first real 8-core PC (AMD's do NOT count), it compared quite favourably in most gaming benchmarks to most "modern" CPUs once I upgraded to a 2080Ti a couple years ago.

I am fairly confident it would still do so if I upgraded to a 3090Ti today... but the price of that is ridiculous, and I don't game the way I used to anymore...

The 5900X would be a pretty good upgrade for me - but at this point, I am waiting for the new HEDT lineups from both companies. While I will almost certainly go AMD Threadripper, if Intel's HEDT actually performs better (I doubt it can), I'd buy it instead. My hope is that Intel's will at least be good enough to force AMD to price the 6990 (or whatever they call it) to a more reasonable price point.

 

[Lionvibez]

You ask me why I care... yet here you are rocking a 5800X?!?! Obviously this CPU isn't for you either!

I am rocking an Intel 5960X.... (I find the naming ironic) I bought it over 7 years ago and despite it being the first real 8-core PC (AMD's do NOT count), it compared quite favourably in most gaming benchmarks to most "modern" CPUs once I upgraded to a 2080Ti a couple years ago.

I am fairly confident it would still do so if I upgraded to a 3090Ti today... but the price of that is ridiculous, and I don't game the way I used to anymore...

The 5900X would be a pretty good upgrade for me - but at this point, I am waiting for the new HEDT lineups from both companies. While I will almost certainly go AMD Threadripper, if Intel's HEDT actually performs better (I doubt it can), I'd buy it instead. My hope is that Intel's will at least be good enough to force AMD to price the 6990 (or whatever they call it) to a more reasonable price point.

I never said I was buying it since I am on a 3440x1440 monitor there is no gains for me. Secondly I'm not in a AM4 topic trying to tell people not the buy the cpu that was reviewed..... This is going to sell well regardless of what you think of it. And to be honest I'm not even sure why you are bothering in this thread you are coming across as having an agenda.

 

[Squid Surprise]

I never said I was buying it since I am on a 3440x1440 monitor there is no gains for me. Secondly I'm not in a AM4 topic trying to tell people not the buy the cpu that was reviewed..... This is going to sell well regardless of what you think of it. And to be honest I'm not even sure why you are bothering in this thread you are coming across as having an agenda.

So you accuse me of having an agenda because I have no interest in buying this CPU - but I am pointing out the flaws in this CPU... yet you come on here, also with no interest in this CPU and simply post that I have an agenda?

What's YOUR agenda?

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Those starcraft II results are insane. I wonder if Sins Of a Solar Empire would see the same benefit, also being single thread limited and also using AVX like SCII does.

Definition of dead end: "impossible to upgrade"... is there a reason to buy a brand new MB for this CPU? No... because it is a DEAD END. Not a bad thing if you need the upgrade... but certainly not something you should be building a brand new system around,

Why not? Believe it or not, amny people do not upgrade their CPU every 2 years. There really is 0 reason to do that, CPUs last a very long time, upwards of a decade, before becoming a noticeable issue.

If I were building a new gaming PC, the 5800xd would be on my short list.

 

[Squid Surprise]

Those starcraft II results are insane. I wonder if Sins Of a Solar Empire would see the same benefit, also being single thread limited and also using AVX like SCII does.

Why not? Believe it or not, amny people do not upgrade their CPU every 2 years. There really is 0 reason to do that, CPUs last a very long time, upwards of a decade, before becoming a noticeable issue.

If I were building a new gaming PC, the 5800xd would be on my short list.

Your short list ought to include an Intel 12000 series... they are cheaper, faster, overclockable and can be upgraded in a few years should you choose to. If you MUST go AMD, I'd wait a few months for the new architecture - it will also be faster, upgradable - dunno about cheaper yet, but it will probably be comparable...

If you must go AMD right now, then the 5900X is cheaper than the 5800X3D and will serve you better for years to come... if you have money to burn, the 5950 is only a bit more than the 5800X3D and will perform even better...

My posts here are not saying the 5800X3D is a bad CPU... if it existed in a vacuum, it would be a stellar purchase! But Intel has better options! AMD itself has better options! Choose those!

 

[Lionvibez]

So you accuse me of having an agenda because I have no interest in buying this CPU - but I am pointing out the flaws in this CPU... yet you come on here, also with no interest in this CPU and simply post that I have an agenda?

What's YOUR agenda?

I'm on AM4. So I may not need this now but its still relevant to me since I'm on the PLATFORM. You are on an intel system and this product has no relevance to you what so ever other than to come in and tell me people not to buy it?

What is so hard to understand?

So yes it looks like you have an agenda dude.

Where is this self importance coming from you where you feel you need to come in here and tell people not to buy this? People are going to buy this regardless of what you post.

 

[Aceseven]

As someone with a 5600x im still confused on what chip to buy to max out this board.

I mostly game, but I'd also like to future proof, so im still leaning toward one of the ryzen 9's.

 

[Lionvibez]

As someone with a 5600x im still confused on what chip to buy to max out this board.

I mostly game, but I'd also like to future proof, so im still leaning toward one of the ryzen 9's.

What resolution and refresh rate are you gaming at?

And how long do you expect to keep the system?

Also what other works flows or is the machine only used to game on?

 

[Aceseven]

What resolution and refresh rate are you gaming at?

And how long do you expect to keep the system?

Also what other works flows or is the machine only used to game on?

right now 1080p, plan to snag a 4k tv finally this year,

gonna keep this rig for a long time, at least until something actually groundbreaking hits, which I dont see happening for awhile,

its mostly for games and cause its hooked to my main tv, is used with kodi for my movie collection and setup to stream movies and games to other tvs in the house connected to nvidia shields, that last reason is why I thought more cores would be the wise move.

 

[Lionvibez]

right now 1080p, plan to snag a 4k tv finally this year,

gonna keep this rig for a long time, at least until something actually groundbreaking hits, which I dont see happening for awhile,

its mostly for games and cause its hooked to my main tv, is used with kodi for my movie collection and setup to stream movies and games to other tvs in the house connected to nvidia shields, that last reason is why I thought more cores would be the wise move.

What gpu are you currently using?

And for the streaming are you actually doing transcoding for the other device from the main pc, or its just a network stream to those devices and they do all the heavy lifting?

What does processor usage look like on the main box while all of this is running?

 

[HardReset]

Hope so too...

Here's a telling review from a different website I'll leave for you (and them) to peruse.

The 5800X3D has the same core architecture / IPC as the 5800X but it runs at lower clock speeds and has an extra 64MB of cache (96MB up from 32MB). This results in relatively low latency readings at 128MB because those transfers have a higher chance of remaining in cache. For most real-world tasks performance will be comparable to the 5800X which is $120 USD cheaper. Some specific cache sensitive scenarios such as canned game benchmarks will benefit. Be wary of sponsored reviews with cherry picked games that showcase the wins and ignore the losses. Also watch out for AMD’s army of Neanderthal social media accounts on reddit, forums and youtube, they will be singing their own praises as usual. AMD’s marketers continue to show more interest in this year’s bonuses than the longevity of the brand. Instead of focusing on real-world performance, they attempt to dupe consumers with benchmark busting headlines. The same tactics were used with the Radeon 5000 series GPUs. In order to compete, Zen4 needs to bring substantial IPC improvements, rather than overpriced "3D" marketing gimmicks. Either way, new high end PC gaming builders have little reason to look further than the 12600K. Users with existing AM4 builds should wait just a few more months for Zen4 / Raptor Lake rather than wasting money on an end-of-life platform.

You call Userbenchmark.net Intel propaganda review?

I'm speechless.