Ryzen 7 5800X3D vs. Ryzen 7 5800X: Zen 3 Gaming Shootout

Toliandar said:
Would be very interested in seeing more benchmarks from Starcraft 2, particularly the 5800x3d vs 5900x and vs Alder Lake but using an 68/900XT with smart access memory enabled.

Better yet, world of warcraft benchmarks too!
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The Tech spot review of the 5800X vs 5800X3D showed some really good gains in Starcraft 2. I know when you get late game in SC2 it can get very cpu heavy with many units on screen.
 
I have an Asrock Taichi x370 board with a 3700x. I also play Heroes of the Storm(Starcraft II engine) most nights with friends, so this cpu is a no brainer upgrade for my system. Plus I can sell my 3700x for 200 bucks or so. Cheap simple upgrade, and my system is good for several more years. Not sure why dense people on here don't understand why this chip is popular. Also this article just samples 40 games when there are literally hundreds possibly thousands of games out there that will benefit from the cache.
 
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YSignal said:
I have an Asrock Taichi x370 board with a 3700x. I also play Heroes of the Storm(Starcraft II engine) most nights with friends, so this cpu is a no brainer upgrade for my system. Plus I can sell my 3700x for 200 bucks or so. Cheap simple upgrade, and my system is good for several more years. Not sure why dense people on here don't understand why this chip is popular. Also this article just samples 40 games when there are literally thousands of games out there that will benefit from the cache.
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You are the perfect example of who this cpu is good for. When I went from 3800X to 5800X it was noticeable this will be quite the boost for you.
 
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Lionvibez said:
You are the perfect example of who this cpu is good for. When I went from 3800X to 5800X it was noticeable this will be quite the boost for you.
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If he upgraded to the 5900x instead, he’d get the same improvments in his games... it would cost $50 less (and the 5900x is in stock unlike the 5800x3d) and he’d have 4 extra cores...
 
Squid Surprise said:
If he upgraded to the 5900x instead, he’d get the same improvments in his games... it would cost $50 less (and the 5900x is in stock unlike the 5800x3d) and he’d have 4 extra cores...
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Hi Squid, do you have any benchmark links that show this? I'm on the fence between buying the 5800x3d or the 5900x. What you're saying makes sense.

I use a 27" 1440p 165hz monitor. Obviously, the 5800X3D is going to be better at 1080p. But I'm curious about how it will perform vs using 1440p or 4k on a 5900x. I imagine it will be about the same.
 
Squid Surprise said:
Pretty sure ANY modern CPU will play those games at higher than 200FPS... so it wouldn't really matter which one you chose...
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Clearly your experience with SC2 and WoW is very limited as these games are heavily cpu bottlenecked.
If you comprehended what the 1% lows for the SC2 benchmark shows you would realise that even at 4K the game CPU bottlenecks.
Of all the games listed, only SC2 is relevant to me, I have a 3700x, so understanding how a 5800x3d performs vs a 5900x is useful to me because either upgrade is much more economical than changing to the Intel platform.
 
Toliandar said:
Clearly your experience with SC2 and WoW is very limited as these games are heavily cpu bottlenecked.
If you comprehended what the 1% lows for the SC2 benchmark shows you would realise that even at 4K the game CPU bottlenecks.
Of all the games listed, only SC2 is relevant to me, I have a 3700x, so understanding how a 5800x3d performs vs a 5900x is useful to me because either upgrade is much more economical than changing to the Intel platform.
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Yeah... 5900x will barely run SC2...

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It runs over 200FPS even with a crappy GPU (amd 480)....

You will be perfectly fine with the 5900x unless you need crazy FPS...
 
Squid Surprise said:
It's 15% at 1080P with a 3090 GPU... for the average computer user, it will be far closer to ZERO...

Again, unless you are a competitive gamer, any 5000 series or 12000 series CPU will provide virtually identical gaming performance.
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Well for one, newer GPUs are just around the corner. I don't see how not having 15% gaming perf when the GPU bottleneck is removed is a good counter argument. Pretty nonsensical really. Your argument essentially means why even bother with a 5800X? Why not go lower? The CPU isn't the bottleneck in your argument right? Well we aren't talking about lower. We're talking about 5900X vs 5800X vs 5800X3D.

People know GPUs move quickly, will piecemeal upgrade that part, and you pick the CPU you will likely get the best value out of. Clearly a gaming focused CPU is more relevant for people who only use their desktop for gaming (I'm of course ignoring Word, Excel, web browsing as that needs trivial processing).
 
Darth Shiv said:
Well for one, newer GPUs are just around the corner. I don't see how not having 15% gaming perf when the GPU bottleneck is removed is a good counter argument. Pretty nonsensical really. Your argument essentially means why even bother with a 5800X? Why not go lower? The CPU isn't the bottleneck in your argument right? Well we aren't talking about lower. We're talking about 5900X vs 5800X vs 5800X3D.

People know GPUs move quickly, will piecemeal upgrade that part, and you pick the CPU you will likely get the best value out of. Clearly a gaming focused CPU is more relevant for people who only use their desktop for gaming (I'm of course ignoring Word, Excel, web browsing as that needs trivial processing).
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Unless you are a competitive gamer, who cares? The GPUs getting better means your games will run better too... and I doubt anyone upgrading from a 1000/2000 AMD would be disappointed with the 5600X either....

My point is, the 5900x is simply a better CPU than the 5800x3d in almost any real world usage... it will also age better as having 12 cores can only be better in the future as opposed to 8. Throw in the fact that it is cheaper AND available to purchase (the 5800x3D is sold out) and it’s a slam dunk.
 
Squid Surprise said:
I think the paid shills might be you...
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Where have you seen me post in any intel products reviews saying not to buy the product?

I'll wait.........

Both you and strawman - user name checks out.... Have added nothing to this thread at all other than telling people not to buy it. And these cpu's are sold out everything so you are just wasting your time and ours.
 
Lionvibez said:
Where have you seen me post in any intel products reviews saying not to buy the product?

I'll wait.........

Both you and strawman - user name checks out.... Have added nothing to this thread at all other than telling people not to buy it. And these cpu's are sold out everything so you are just wasting your time and ours.
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It was a paper launch.... with the quantities that were available, ANYTHING would have sold out... and what else would you "add" to this thread? There's either "buy this because of reasons a, b and c" or "don't buy this because of reasons a, b and c"...

I chose the far more easily supported latter option... YOU, on the other hand didn't really do anything other than argue against me... YOU have brought nothing to this thread...
 
Squid Surprise said:
I chose the far more easily supported latter option... YOU, on the other hand didn't really do anything other than argue against me... YOU have brought nothing to this thread...
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This is going to be my last response.

There isn't a single like on any post from either of you in all 4 pages......

These cpu's will continue to sell out but good luck with your campaign.
 
Lionvibez said:
This is going to be my last response.
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I'll believe that when I see it :)
Lionvibez said:
There isn't a single like on any post from either of you in all 4 pages......

These cpu's will continue to sell out but good luck with your campaign.
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Well... here's the thing... I actually got SEVERAL likes on page 1 (I'm not bothering to check the next 3 (and I assume most users lost interest after page 1 anyways)... but even if I got 0 likes... who cares?
 
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I'm thinking about building my first desktop for myself in 10 years, and I think this would be a good system for me. I have often upgraded the video card on my PCs, but never reused a motherboard for a new CPU.
 
Strawman said:
You are not buying it for him either, I don't see whats the point of your argument. It's a stupid upgraded for playing heroes of the storm, that's a fact.
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Never said I was upgrading just for HOTS. You assume too much just to argue. Nothing factual about your posts whatsoever.
 
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YSignal said:
Never said I was upgrading just for HOTS. You assume too much just to argue. Nothing factual about your posts whatsoever.
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So what do you want it for? Unless you need 250FPS+ for competitive gaming at 1080P, you won't notice any difference between any 5000 series CPU... for the 100th time... the 5900X is cheaper, more powerful and AVAILABLE TO PURCHASE. If you must upgrade - get that :)
 
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