Sam Altman says it's "terrible" for RAM to sit inside PCs instead of data centers

[pnntmp]

Technically Altman is sort of correct in a way, theoretically speaking .. I have 64GB in my laptop and 128 in my desktop, and all that is used, collectively, for like 7-8 hours per day on average. Indeed, not in full. So my average RAM utilization is in the ballpark of 10-15% I guess.

Of course, any other usage scheme is hardly possible, there's no reasonable way to share my compute resources, so that's that.

 

[noel24]

TIL Sam Altman is a commie

He probably complains jet fuel for His Citation X is too expensive, and truckers hauling Your groceries should revert to using horse carriages.

 

[Vanderlinde]

Technically Altman is sort of correct in a way, theoretically speaking .. I have 64GB in my laptop and 128 in my desktop, and all that is used, collectively, for like 7-8 hours per day on average. Indeed, not in full. So my average RAM utilization is in the ballpark of 10-15% I guess.

Of course, any other usage scheme is hardly possible, there's no reasonable way to share my compute resources, so that's that.

Did you know Linux would actually use it for caching, speed things up and release it when it's needed? Windows mostly keeps free ram, as free ram.

I think ill start an AI based Doublespace service. You can now zip the contents of your DRAM and store up to 900% more depending on how well things can be compressed.

 

[Plutoisaplanet]

Technically Altman is sort of correct in a way, theoretically speaking .. I have 64GB in my laptop and 128 in my desktop, and all that is used, collectively, for like 7-8 hours per day on average. Indeed, not in full. So my average RAM utilization is in the ballpark of 10-15% I guess.

Of course, any other usage scheme is hardly possible, there's no reasonable way to share my compute resources, so that's that.

This is exactly what he seemed to be saying, although everyone got so triggered anyways. I mean AI data centers are the primary cause for the current shortage so you can blame him for that I guess. So really Altman could say anything about shortages and people would be in a rage.

 

[pnntmp]

Did you know Linux would actually use it for caching, speed things up and release it when it's needed? Windows mostly keeps free ram, as free ram.

I think ill start an AI based Doublespace service. You can now zip the contents of your DRAM and store up to 900% more depending on how well things can be compressed.

I don't understand what this means. If you can devise some scheme for sharing unused RAM, more power to you.

 

[seeprime]

Technically Altman is sort of correct in a way, theoretically speaking .. I have 64GB in my laptop and 128 in my desktop, and all that is used, collectively, for like 7-8 hours per day on average. Indeed, not in full. So my average RAM utilization is in the ballpark of 10-15% I guess.

Of course, any other usage scheme is hardly possible, there's no reasonable way to share my compute resources, so that's that.

You probably also have food lying around that's not being eaten constantly. That's freedom, not the oligarchy these tech bro billionaires now control.

 

[opckieran]

You probably also have food lying around that's not being eaten constantly. That's freedom, not the oligarchy these tech bro billionaires now control.

I remember when one lunatic said that people standing in lines for bread was a good thing...

 

[sergio]

From an efficiency standpoint it makes sense.
However if youre obsessed with efficiency, you will have a problem with the human being.
Or just to be able to make everyone dependent on their technology.
That guy is not someone to follow

 

[toooooot]

You probably also have food lying around that's not being eaten constantly. That's freedom, not the oligarchy these tech bro billionaires now control.

Empty homes owned by seniors. Can you imagine how many illegal aliens we could house just using those giant empty houses owned by boomers. It boils my blood to think that such waste exist in a market with such high demand for housing.

 

[yRaz]

The really funny thing to me about this whole thing, reactions included, is that all the ram datacenters are buying isnt even being used.

There is tons of RAM sitting in warehouses going unused. The problem isn't that there isnt enough RAM, the problem is the billions in hardware that's been purchased and can't be deployed.

So what's more wasteful, me using my RAM 5% of the time, or the dragon hordes of hardware that isn't being used?

There is no hardware shortage

 

[jdrch]

Technically Altman is sort of correct in a way, theoretically speaking .. I have 64GB in my laptop and 128 in my desktop, and all that is used, collectively, for like 7-8 hours per day on average. Indeed, not in full. So my average RAM utilization is in the ballpark of 10-15% I guess.

Of course, any other usage scheme is hardly possible, there's no reasonable way to share my compute resources, so that's that.

His argument would make more sense if we all owned the cloud resources we shared and received a portion of the associated revenue resulting from our hardware being used. But we don't own any of it and see none of the benefit.

 

[jdrch]

There is no hardware shortage

Well you're right, but RAM that's been manufactured in a particular form factor, etc. can't be converted to another one.

 

[yRaz]

Well you're right, but RAM that's been manufactured in a particular form factor, etc. can't be converted to another one.

They converted DRAM production to HBM. The whole thing is a fake money grab. They never needed to convert to manufacturing HBM because billions of dollars of it isn't even being used.

 

[Xelions]

There is tons of RAM sitting in warehouses going unused. The problem isn't that there isnt enough RAM, the problem is the billions in hardware that's been purchased and can't be deployed.

A guide to manipulating supply and demand. The preface - Would you like to read my co-authored AI written book sponsored by **cough** the elites

I thought a title would be in order; Strategies and Tactics for Market Economics in the 21st Century

 

[maxxcool7421]

Can we delete him now? and Huang? .. ok and well ALL the AI-bros?

 

[Etoyo]

Altman is totally right: 1GB of RAM is more than enough to watch Fruit Love Island generated by a server with 4TB of RAM.

 

[Melkor Unlimited]

I think ill start an AI based Doublespace service. You can now zip the contents of your DRAM and store up to 900% more depending on how well things can be compressed.

Too late.

Johny Mnemonic already owns that IP for it.

 

[BadThad]

They're goal is dumb terminals for everyone and monthly user payments.

 

[pnntmp]

The really funny thing to me about this whole thing, reactions included, is that all the ram datacenters are buying isnt even being used.

There is tons of RAM sitting in warehouses going unused. The problem isn't that there isnt enough RAM, the problem is the billions in hardware that's been purchased and can't be deployed.

So what's more wasteful, me using my RAM 5% of the time, or the dragon hordes of hardware that isn't being used?

There is no hardware shortage

This is utter BS.

A couple of anecdotal cases of components sitting in stock because of datacenter construction delays or aggressive pre-ordering does not mean there's no shortage. Have you heard all this hardware that "can't be deployed" being sold? Because that's the normal thing to do with stuff that costs billions but can't be used, right? You sell it.

So, who's selling "hardware that's been purchased and can't be deployed" for billions?

 

[NicktheWVAHick]

I got a great deal on 8Mb sticks of 60ns EDO DRAM last week for my 386-25. I don’t know what all the fuss is about.

 

[MiqWalsh]

Huh. The man's a complete and utter tosser. Doesn't engage brain before opening his gob.

I'm sure he'd like ALL the RAM in the world. Supposing he gets it. If nobody else has any, then no other devices besides his datacenters will function. So how will anybody make use of the AI-chatbots, agents & services his company provides?

Sounds like this way, you'll just have a bunch of datacenters chatting away to each other.....because there won't be anybody else for them to talk TO..!

What a plank. He's already suffering from the very same cognitive decline that studies appear to be suggesting that A.I is already responsible for...


Miq.

 

[yRaz]

This is utter BS.

A couple of anecdotal cases of components sitting in stock because of datacenter construction delays or aggressive pre-ordering does not mean there's no shortage. Have you heard all this hardware that "can't be deployed" being sold? Because that's the normal thing to do with stuff that costs billions but can't be used, right? You sell it.

So, who's selling "hardware that's been purchased and can't be deployed" for billions?

Microsoft is sitting on $80b in just GPUs and Amazon keeps buying them but doesn't have anywhere to plug them in. It's referred to as "Dark GPUs". It's not like they are even trying to hide it.

And I didn't say anyone is selling it, I said they're hoarding what can't be deployed and people keep buying more on top of what they already have. If you want to know who Google, AWS, Oracle, Microsoft. Everyone is buying GPUs now and figuring out the infustructure behind building them later. Vera-Rubin is going to be out and an absurd amount of Blackwell chips won't have even been powered on

 

[onebignerd]

I use my PC every single day Mr. Altman!! Take some good advice from the '70s & '80s when I was a kid; "Mind your own business!"

 

[jdrch]

They never needed to convert to manufacturing HBM because billions of dollars of it isn't even being used.

There was no technical need to make it, but as AI companies are paying for it there was a financial incentive to do so. Don't confuse the 2. Companies will always pick the latter over the former.

 

[ddferrari]

I actually like Sam more when he's playing his alter ego, Bryan Kohberger