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'Six Strikes' piracy warning system headed to the US this year

By Shawn Knight ยท 36 replies
Sep 13, 2012
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  1. Internet providers in the US are moving closer to launching a planned "six strikes" antipiracy program that would impose progressive warnings followed by penalties for those found violating copyright infringement laws on the web. The program is said to somewhat...

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  2. Shaun2312

    Shaun2312 TS Enthusiast Posts: 32   +12

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  3. ryanb2145

    ryanb2145 TS Rookie

    Guess they better start blocking out of country encrypted proxies too then.
  4. noel24

    noel24 TS Evangelist Posts: 519   +455

    Well, considering how arbitrarily corporations can throw cease and desist orders for smaller entities in the cyberspace, that will be the end of freedom of speech of the internet. It will become the tube for governments/corporations like radio and TV before. I wonder if one could setup a new, independent global network using existing hardware with modified firmware like they did in Egypt during revolution with the ancient fax/short wave radio or whatever they were using.
  5. amstech

    amstech IT Overlord Posts: 2,239   +1,439

    George Orwell's 2012.
  6. Jim$ter

    Jim$ter TS Booster Posts: 162   +32

    Same as DRM ... It doesn't and won't work. People will find ways around anything like this. Sounds like it will only end up cost ISP's more time and money and guess who will end up paying for it in the long run...us. The only way to slow down piracy is to have cheaper legal alternatives. Music is finding it's way with Spotify and related services. Now if Movies would get on board with a similar service. Till then...good luck with that.
    ReederOnTheRun likes this.
  7. SCJake

    SCJake TS Rookie Posts: 80

    @Jim$ter youre close

    I encourage you to look into the few numbers that have been able to slip between the production companies fingers:

    9.99 for the album on itunes... ~$5.35 goes to the production company, ~$2.70 goes to itunes (understandable due to hosting/marketplace). you do the math....

    and you dare tell me that the pirates are the main baddies? Yet the amount of people who are only advertising through youtube/facebook/word of mouth and making just as much as the number 1 song in the nation while theyre not even on the list... hmm... what seems easier.....If someone snuck into UMG HQ with an AK I wouldnt necessarily applaud them, but I wouldnt lose much sleep over it...
  8. Why would anyone be against this? hate getting caught? Don't say "what if its not me"? well, there its easily found out if its indeed not you. Quit your crying and go on about your business as usual, nothing will change for the people that don't do it.
  9. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 744   +13

    You'd be naive to believe that.
  10. Why would anyone be against this? How about because as the law is written, ISPs dont differentiate between legal and illegal torrent downloads. You DO know that not all torrents are pirated or illegal .. right? This law would punish 'everyone' who downloads a torrent even if that torrent is a 100% free and legal file.
  11. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 744   +13

    Not only that but it would essentially cause some businesses to go bankrupt, or even be tried for crimes because their software or business practices are now illegal.
  12. You guys are scared little kids... torrents are fine, its the illegal ones they care about. Grow up. I know your "movie" collection is now going to dry up but you could just simply go and buy them.
  13. davimous

    davimous TS Rookie Posts: 54   +9

    I'm lucky enough to live in Canada where as far as I know I can download all I want. Just can't let people upload from me. I don't really download much anyway so doesn't effect me either way.
  14. Did that say it was about to be shut down in france? if so why?

    by the way I have full confidence masking downloads is good these days unlike a few years ago. so laws like this are in a uphill battle to be successful. this one sort of made sense if you could imagine its implication as not mimicing 24/7 wire tapping. which is a huge violation of civil rights when you get down to it.
  15. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 744   +13

    As I said, if you think they'll stop there, you are both naive and sadly mistaken.
  16. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,568   +552

    Hmm maybe "pirating movies" will turn the way of free porn sites. In the form of streaming. Porn sites are full of nearly any copy righted porn you can think of but riddled with viruses. Then maybe they will crack down hard on copyrighted streaming including porn. Well there is always homemade porn. Maybe if they are successful blockbuster will make a comeback and rent us movies at 6$+ a pop again. Of course the entertainment industry would have to stop selling so cheaply to netflix and redbox.
    fimbles likes this.
  17. BLARG!

    BLARG! TS Rookie

    This is stupid. Companies are not learning to innovate themselves for a better future. I'm not against the idea of the law biting down on piracy, but to a significant extent piracy can improve sales if not stabilize them. A good product promote's itself to be purchased when observed by the downloader. In a store often you have the privilege to look at a product but online or in cyberspace you don't. It doesn't guarantee product value. So what if you watch a movie earlier or play a game for free for a while. If you have the intentions to buy something you enjoyed you'll buy it. You know the only reason piracy get a bad wrap is because it's associated with something far worse. Real piracy that happens in the Bermuda and many of the Asian oceans. Some 82 year old congressman isn't going to know the difference between the two. All he'll assume is that he's saving lives not restraining them. We fuss so much about this **** yet we don't lock the drugs out of this nation and take the war to the drug lords. We fight in other countries not for peace but for oil. I love my soldiers but I want them to fight for Americans not for their pockets. The irony to this all is that all the rich twats who care not to spend a dime on the things they download will get crushed by the law, as anyone who doesn't make money at all would not be worth pursuing. If you want to improve something start with the bottom not the top. Anyway's that is the end of my rant. Take care and try not to stick your head up your arse too much corporate nazism.
  18. fimbles

    fimbles TS Evangelist Posts: 1,194   +209

    Good luck paying for the lawsuits.

    Still would love to know how an ip adress can be linked to a specific person.
    treetops likes this.
  19. Tygerstrike

    Tygerstrike TS Enthusiast Posts: 827   +93

    I just laugh when I see this. I doesnt effect me at all. I dont download anything. I dont use my PC for entertainment( movies ect). The only ppl who really should be worried is the super abusers. They are the ones the ISP is going after. The little ppl who download a movie or a song will prolly glide in under the radar. Ten to one there will be protocals that dictate certain levels of downloads or amounts of downloads will process a strike. Also im sure the ISP will keep track of those companies that do legal torrent downloads like WoW. I mean really ppl, what did you think they were going to do? Keep allowing ppl to "steal" from them? This is only the begining. Im sure there are even more draconian plans in the works to keep ppl from pirating. All it would have taken is a drop in piracy. So you only have yourselves to blame. All you the individual person had to do is not pirate for awhile. But you reap what you sow. Im going to enjoy watching this one play out. Im 100% sure that this will be intereseting to watch.
  20. ramonsterns

    ramonsterns TS Enthusiast Posts: 744   +13

    And this, gentlemen, is what the general public believes.
  21. Nick D

    Nick D TS Enthusiast Posts: 28   +6

    If something like this actually happens, the ISP's are going to lose a ton of money. If people stop downloading a lot, they won't need high priced connections. There is almost no innovation now, even with freedom. Without the freedom of internet, there will be no innovation. Only if it comes from the people who regulate the rules are obsessed with squeezing money out of people.
  22. VPNs People, VPNs
  23. Tygerstrike

    Tygerstrike TS Enthusiast Posts: 827   +93

    How exactly does the general consumer "pirating" affect innovation? The general user isnt concerned with "Innovation". They just want their movies,music, and games for free. The only ppl who have to worry are those that "pirate". Everyone else who doesnt pirate will still have plenty of internet access. What your saying is that pirating equates to progress. In this case thats 100% true. The ISP are going to "Progress" to install a system that will rat out those that illegally download.
    What ppl should be more concerned with is this. If they boot you off the internet, you loose the ability to get service, period. Which means you will have to go through other ppl to get any kind of service. Its going to be similar to how phone companies blackball you. Now if you have to get service under another persons name and you continue the actions that got you booted, you will ruin another persons chance to get online. Its a vicious circle caused by you the user.
  24. gcarter

    gcarter TS Enthusiast Posts: 100   +35

    /me cradles his newsgroup access.
  25. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,568   +552

    Its to bad people are going to start taking advantage of all those open wireless networks out there for their pirating. Most people have no clue that some kid waiting at the bus stop in front of their house could be downloading music off their wifi. I really feel sorry for those who live by parks, schools basically anywhere with a bench lol. Heck Id park a block down the road and leave my old cellphone running all night to download free movies, if I had too. Or simply leave my cellphone running all the time in my car grabbing bandwidth anytime I happen to pass by a open wifi. In the city thats probably 30 minutes of downloading a day just going to work.

    I know pirating is wrong and if I could afford it I would not pirate, yes I know that's still wrong but I do it anyways. There is no reason to steal entertainment. Yes they overcharge us but if you don't like it don't buy it. I even pirate shows from local tv, its free I could turn on my tv to watch them but I like watching them while I browse the web. Even when I had cable I would still prefer to download Dexter or another favorite show and watch it on my own time.

    However I am not costing the music industry any money so I don't feel to bad about it.

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