So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

[buritobomb]

ive been researching for my computer dell 2350 and found x1300,x1550 and power color raedeon HD 2400 pro PCI cards i also found out that the x1300 and x1550 have xge versions also that makes them 30% faster and iam stumped on wich one to buy help a wb out

 

[buritobomb]

THE hd 2400 looks impressive I just don t know

 

[buritobomb]

i geuss the hd 2400 supports dx 10

 

[jives11]

just won an 8500GT PCI off ebay, not sure if it was yours fingerman ?

I'll let you all know when I get it and have run some tests. Which is the 3dmark that people prefer. I was using 3dmark03 as it gave a reasonable score whereas 05 would hardly run at all. I see 01 quoted quite a bit.

i also installed the beta of speedfan 4.34 and this returns no less than 3 temperature measurements for my 6200 PCI. one is labelled 'ambient' and appears to be set to zero, but the others are GPU showing 42 deg C idle, and core which is 36 deg C idle. I assume GPU may be the GPU and Core is the memory ? Impressive, I just need the P4 temperature to be dug out from the Dimension 2350 mobo

 

[Tha General]

Damn man, i wish they sold the card in the US. I already sent emails to sparkle, but they are ignoring me. I will try sending a email to tiger direct and compusa soon and see can they get some over to the usa and maybe sell the card at 80 dollars

 

[jives11]

Sparkle 8500GT PCI came this morning. I'll install it today and run a 3dmark03 to see if it is significantly faster than a 6200, then post the results. 2019 was my previous personal best score

 

[Recoil00]

lol i remember years ago i had a Geforce 5200 PCI on my old pc

 

[jives11]

Sparkle 8500GT PCI came this morning. I'll install it today and run a 3dmark03 to see if it is significantly faster than a 6200, then post the results. 2019 was my previous personal best score

4911 is the Best 3dmark03 score so far with lastest production nVidia driver and settings set to performance. A few tests actually lookeed slightly slower i.e some of the Mother Nature scenario where you get some dynamic lighting.

the card is a bit different as during the install the system detected a PCI-to-PCI bridge device. Also when I use the PCI latency tool I only see the bridge and not the actual graphics card. I tried tweaking the PCI latency as the previous 5200/5500/6200 seemed to set the latency to 248 i.e grab it all for themselves.

Incidentally it's also double width with it's huge heatsink, so my double width blower I got last month no longer fits.

So , so far so good, but I won't put the 6200 up on ebay till we have some real world gaming experience with it.

 

[Tha General]

I have a question, well has anyone tried the EVGA version of the Geforce 6200 256MB PCI card?

I'm seriously thinking about buying it and testing it out, because the BFG version its kinda ticking me off. First, the only driver that seems to be support and work is the 81.89, but the driver, second " wont let me shut off my computer, when i click shut down. 3rd, i cant even play NFS porsche unleashed, and yes i am serious. The driver wont let me play it, the game crashes right after the main menu screen.

The 81.89 is a bad driver, or the BFG Geforce 6200 version is a bad card. It can run games pretty good, but it seems like it is no stable driver for this card. So i'm going to buy the evga driver and see how it works, if i have the same problem which i don't believe i will, i'm just saying if i do, i will just looking forward to play the games which i cant play ( which i should btw, come on NFSPU ) when i buy vista with a ATI card.

 

[jives11]

I have a question, well has anyone tried the EVGA version of the Geforce 6200 256MB PCI card?

I'm seriously thinking about buying it and testing it out, because the BFG version its kinda ticking me off. First, the only driver that seems to be support and work is the 81.89, but the driver, second " wont let me shut off my computer, when i click shut down. 3rd, i cant even play NFS porsche unleashed, and yes i am serious. The driver wont let me play it, the game crashes right after the main menu screen.

The 81.89 is a bad driver, or the BFG Geforce 6200 version is a bad card. It can run games pretty good, but it seems like it is no stable driver for this card. So i'm going to buy the evga driver and see how it works, if i have the same problem which i don't believe i will, i'm just saying if i do, i will just looking forward to play the games which i cant play ( which i should btw, come on NFSPU ) when i buy vista with a ATI card.

Well compared to the PNY it looks as if the BFG is already overclocked. I couldn't get much more than 315Mhz out of mine before it became unstable. Your screen shot showed 350 out-of-the-box. It sounds perverse but have you tried underclocking it to , say 305 and see if you get some stability back

 

[hollowreed]

Hey im not really good with computers and i want to change my graphic card so i want to confirm is my graphic card slot PCI?And wheather it is intergrated or not so if anyone can help me ill be gladful. =) Thx!
Here is a pic:

 

[jives11]

Hey im not really good with computers and i want to change my graphic card so i want to confirm is my graphic card slot PCI?And wheather it is intergrated or not so if anyone can help me ill be gladful. =) Thx!
Here is a pic:

Well that looks like Onboard graphics i.e on the motherboard, which I have on my 2350 dell dimension. You should be able to add a PCI graphics card, or you might find a better slot inside i.e AGP or PCIE. I know some entry level dell models used onboard graphics BUT had an unused AGP slot inside.

I'd suggest either post the precise model type for the computer or have a look inside. You should see a bank of PCI slots which may be taken up with modems, USB etc cards. If you also see a slot close to them but of a different length and with a plastic latch mechanism at one end you may be in luck.

 

[hollowreed]

Well that looks like Onboard graphics i.e on the motherboard, which I have on my 2350 dell dimension. You should be able to add a PCI graphics card, or you might find a better slot inside i.e AGP or PCIE. I know some entry level dell models used onboard graphics BUT had an unused AGP slot inside.

I'd suggest either post the precise model type for the computer or have a look inside. You should see a bank of PCI slots which may be taken up with modems, USB etc cards. If you also see a slot close to them but of a different length and with a plastic latch mechanism at one end you may be in luck.

My computer model is the Compaq Presario SR1360CF

 

[jives11]

My computer model is the Compaq Presario SR1360CF

Well according to HP :
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...251&lc=en&cc=us&product=448785&dlc=en&lang=en

You have a PCI-E *16 slot inside, which is good as you can pretty much use any current graphics card that supports PCI-E

2 things I'd check though.

1) I'd have a look inside just to be sure. If youwant to post a picture if you're not sure what you're looking for

2) Boot into the BIOS and see what options you have for primary graphics device, I'd expect you may have an option to use either onboard or PCI-Express as the primary.

If you can confirm the above you don't need to worry about the archaic world of PCI graphics cards (unless your REALLY want to that is )

 

[hollowreed]

Well according to HP :
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/...251&lc=en&cc=us&product=448785&dlc=en&lang=en

You have a PCI-E *16 slot inside, which is good as you can pretty much use any current graphics card that supports PCI-E

2 things I'd check though.

1) I'd have a look inside just to be sure. If youwant to post a picture if you're not sure what you're looking for

2) Boot into the BIOS and see what options you have for primary graphics device, I'd expect you may have an option to use either onboard or PCI-Express as the primary.

If you can confirm the above you don't need to worry about the archaic world of PCI graphics cards (unless your REALLY want to that is )

Erm..Btw may i know how do you boots into the BIOS? Sorry im kind of dinosaur with computers =X
And btw thx for the help =]
If needed i might open up my computer and check it xD

 

[jives11]

Erm..Btw may i know how do you boots into the BIOS? Sorry im kind of dinosaur with computers =X
And btw thx for the help =]
If needed i might open up my computer and check it xD

Well it varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. from memory I think my old Compaq was hold down F2 during boot up. You may briefly see a message regarding this when you see the Compaq logo during a normal boot. Also sometimes holding Esc down during boot can get you to the BIOS/Setup screen. If You get the Windows XP banner you've gone too far, but let it boot normally and shut down gracefully, then try again.

You need to be fairly careful in the BIOS as it controls disk allocations and lots of other things, so if you accidentally change anything make sure you don't save your changes at exit from the BIOS (it normally asks you if you want to save Y/N)

Checking inside involves shutting down, turning off the power and normally just sliding back a side panel. Sometimes you need to unscrew a screw on the back, but it's pretty easy. You just need to look and see what's inside without touching anything

 

[hollowreed]

I checked my setup at the start when windows is starting. I have an option thing where i can choose PCI , PCI-express , onboard. Does this mean that i have PCI-express slot as well?

 

[jives11]

I checked my setup at the start when windows is starting. I have an option thing where i can choose PCI , PCI-express , onboard. Does this mean that i have PCI-express slot as well?

It certainly suggests so. Me, I'd prefer to see it too, but I think you are , as we English say "quids in" i.e. you are lucky enough to have a motherboard with PCI-E support, which means you have the widest choice of graphics card

 

[hollowreed]

It certainly suggests so. Me, I'd prefer to see it too, but I think you are , as we English say "quids in" i.e. you are lucky enough to have a motherboard with PCI-E support, which means you have the widest choice of graphics card

Hehe ic. Thx for all the help really appreciate it a lot =]
Btw i checked its under BIOS Setup Utility ---> Primary Video Adapter and i have those 3 options.
But i am most likely goin to open up my CPU and check =]
Thx alot hhehe

 

[kimsland]

@jives11 stop quoting the post just before yours. As that is the post that you are replying to anyway!!

@hollowreed it's confirmed, you HAVE pci-express. That's it ! Now go buy a comatable card, or take it to a computer tech shop and buy one through them (they will usually mount it for 5 to 10 dollars (if you buy from them)

No quote required!

 

[Tha General]

I'm pretty sure i could run the 8500GT with my 90PSU. Every card which i had ran perfectly on this computer which only has 90PSU. The requirements for PSU are kinda incorrect. My Geforce 6200 runs fine and the temps says at 43 or 50, sometimes it goes up to 54 one time, but other then that, 90watts gets the job done.

 

[Tha General]

Btw, " hollowreed " have fun shopping for a new powerful but cheap PCI-E video card

 

[jives11]

Hmmm, not sure we are talking about the same thing here. I doubt you could find a modern PC ATX PSU of less than 250 Watts, and typically I'd suggest at least 400 Watts when you are using DVD combo, couple of disks and a Graphics card. Do you mean 90watts for the card on top of the , say, 250 Watts provided by the PSU ?

 

[godson]

Jives since your the only one who has gotten the 8500gt pci card....would you prefer the 8500gt or the x1550 pci card?

 

[Tha General]

Hmmm, not sure we are talking about the same thing here. I doubt you could find a modern PC ATX PSU of less than 250 Watts, and typically I'd suggest at least 400 Watts when you are using DVD combo, couple of disks and a Graphics card. Do you mean 90watts for the card on top of the , say, 250 Watts provided by the PSU ?

I have had this computer for over 6 years, windows98se edition, using 90watts and it still works like perfect , and it still blows out cool air all the time. I have use graphic cards from the 7000radeon , 9250 card, the geforce 5200fx, the geforce 5500fx which i am using now and the crap *** bfg geforce 6200 card. I have a dvdcombo drive, plan on upgrading to a dvd/writer, etc.

90watts gets the job done. I think this PSU was meant to be in this computer and work well with the computer despite what i am using.