I am still running my AGP HD3850 along with my Q6700 in another rig. I am not polite, hence his results are pure and utter BS. You should start looking at the HD5850 for whatever build you are going for next.
So you only have PCI slots and want to game?
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I am still running my AGP HD3850 along with my Q6700 in another rig. I am not polite, hence his results are pure and utter BS. You should start looking at the HD5850 for whatever build you are going for next.
teklord
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An HD 5850 costs about what two HD 4870s cost after rebate. Two of those puppies in Crossfire is only a shade below HD 5870 performance levels and will outperform a HD 5850. They outperform the HD 5870 in many benchmarks. That would be sweet to have two HD 5870's in that configuration, can't wait to see wait nVidia releases!
True enough. But this way you're on the DX11 wagon and aren't as reliant on crossfire optimized games since you're running one GPU. You can always pop in another HD5850 later on. I just don't think the HD4870 CF is worth the investment currently.
teklord
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Good points. DX 11 isn't going to become relevant for a while, maybe not even until next year's GPU's come out. Single card solution is always the best way to go, but I wanted to go with the HD 5870 eventually because it has a little more juice. I would prefer to CF the HD 5870 as opposed to the HD 5850.
Well, the way I see it right now, the HD5870 is overpriced considering the price of the HD5850 and the fact the performance difference isn't huge. I am also having trouble finding a game which the HD5850 won't run properly, even at 1920x1080. Of course, the actual DX11 performance of those new cards is up in the air.
klepto12
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teklord there are lots of dx 11 games on there way and next years cards will just be refreshes of this years cards with maybe a 10% increase in performance like always lol i think $379 is reasonable for the 5870 since its performance is so nice
teklord
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The HD 5870 is massively overpriced and the MSRP will drop very soon in all likely hood. This looks like the i7 860 vs i7 920 argument, both sides have strong points but I prefer the i7 920 overall. Likewise, I'm liking the HD 4870x2 benches so that is swaying me towards that GPU solution for now.
The DX 11 games will trickle in over time, if Windows 7 catches on like it should then all new games will be in DX 11 soon. The question is how long will it take for the DX 11 games to show up. I'm willing to wait for the HD 5870 to fall to current HD 4870 prices before I buy one, so I can miss the DX 11 goodness for a while.
The HD 5870 is not a 10% increase over the HD 4870, more like 1.5 - 2 times the FPS. You can pay $379 for the HD 5870 if you like, I'd rather pay about $280 after rebates for two HD 4870s myself.
The DX 11 games will trickle in over time, if Windows 7 catches on like it should then all new games will be in DX 11 soon. The question is how long will it take for the DX 11 games to show up. I'm willing to wait for the HD 5870 to fall to current HD 4870 prices before I buy one, so I can miss the DX 11 goodness for a while.
The HD 5870 is not a 10% increase over the HD 4870, more like 1.5 - 2 times the FPS. You can pay $379 for the HD 5870 if you like, I'd rather pay about $280 after rebates for two HD 4870s myself.
jives11
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OK - I'll bite
If you can find the GDDR3 8600GT PCI by Albatron, it is that. If not, any PCI 9500GT you can find.
Tha General
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OK - I'll bite
The Albatron 8600GT which can be bought from here:
http://www.marketproshows.com/computershows/index.html
http://www.marketproshows.com/computershows/showschedule.php
Or the 9400GT by EVGA or any of the 9500GT's. Or the 4350, but make sure you buy it at cheap price.
teklord
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You mean the 5890 will be 10% faster or so than the 5870, gotcha. Don't agree that it will take 2 years for the HD 5870 to drop to $200, more like 6 months to 9 months at the most. 2 years from now the HD 7xxx series will be out and the HD 5xxx series won't even be sold anymore.
I changed my GPU buying strategy. I will wait for the HD 5870 to drop below $300 which hopefully will be about the beginning of next year and for sure after nVidia releases their cards. Then, I want to buy one HD 5870 when it costs the same as two HD 4870's. When the HD 5870 drops to $150 to $200, then hopefully I can pick up a second for CF. ATI will still probably be the price to performance champ of this current GPU iteration despite nVidia's offerings being more powerful, so I believe this strategy will hold.
As for jives11, the best PCI card right now is the 9500GT 1GB model. That will give your Dell a little more juice. The Albatron 8600GT PCI is M.I.A. I would just build a cheap LGA 775 or AM2/AM2+ rig instead of buying that though.
klepto12
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I would strongly recommend against purchasing the EVGA 9400GT as it is NOT a gaming card as EVGA themselves said on one of the Newegg reviews. I of course have that card and it performed terribly for me as well as others. Read the reviews over there and you can see that at least one other person RMA'd it for it's poor performance in World of Warcraft. Not to mention that for what you'd pay for the 9400 you might as well spend the extra few dollars and get the 9500 which is a better gaming card. I'd say that for PCI you can't do any better than that as far as performance, price, and availability. If you'd like to spend less and still be able to game then you could look at the 5 series cards too. My old 5200 FX would play most of the less intensive games with settings set to low pretty well. 15-20 fps in WoW wasn't bad considering the PCI bus and I had a total investment of about $60 in the card and a nice copper heatsink. Overclocked pretty well too.
teklord
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It's going to be hard to play any online game with any PCI card because of the narrow bandwidth. The narrow bandwidth will get killed by online lag and your FPS will be choppy no matter what.
Any game that uses polygons, I should clarify. Games like Diablo II that are only pixels will run fine with a PCI card online.
Any game that uses polygons, I should clarify. Games like Diablo II that are only pixels will run fine with a PCI card online.
The 9500GT on PCI isn't a gaming card either.... *sigh*
No, it's not. Actually, it's not a gaming card on any bus to be honest. However aside from the 8600 GT, which seems pretty rare, I can't find anything better to recommend. Well, other than a complete system upgrade but that kind of defeats the purpose of this thread.
teklord
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Good point Breech. Thing is people on here would not be honestly helping anyone if they said PCI cards are the end all to your gaming solutions. As pitiful as the performance of PCI cards is, you can't just sit back and let people use them if they have the ability and understanding to do better GPU-wise.
Each person is different and some people aren't in a position to system upgrade like I was for a while, still am actually. For those folks that still want to game, PCI cards are a last resort. PCI was a significant step up in performance for me from my onboard graphics, so I don't regret using PCI cards for a while.
Each person is different and some people aren't in a position to system upgrade like I was for a while, still am actually. For those folks that still want to game, PCI cards are a last resort. PCI was a significant step up in performance for me from my onboard graphics, so I don't regret using PCI cards for a while.
I can relate to that. I know people say that modern integrated graphics are usually better than a PCI vid card but most people looking at this thread are probably on fairly old systems. In my case I had Intel Extreme Graphics 2 on my Dell and let me tell ya.............the only thing extreme about it was how bad it was. When I finally broke down and purchased my 5200 FX card I was beyond pleased with the results. Like you I certainly don't regret the purchase. For less than $60 I had a card, and an aftermarket HSF and it played all the games that I had at the time. Nice return on investment if you ask me. It's all about working with what ya got and using it within it's limitations.
electromagnetic
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What is the difference with PCI & PCI Express x16.
Are Integrated graphics that bad. Like my one Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900.
Improved 3D Graphics Effects
Intel GMA 900 provides support for the latest 3D APIs resulting in improved 3D graphics effects.
Below are examples of some SGI OpenGL* 1.4 and Microsoft DirectX 9.0 features supported by
Intel GMA 900.
In some games there's no change, although my Integrated has only Pixel Shader 2.0
My 6200 Nvidia card has Pixel Shader 3.
Are Integrated graphics that bad. Like my one Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 900.
Improved 3D Graphics Effects
Intel GMA 900 provides support for the latest 3D APIs resulting in improved 3D graphics effects.
Below are examples of some SGI OpenGL* 1.4 and Microsoft DirectX 9.0 features supported by
Intel GMA 900.
In some games there's no change, although my Integrated has only Pixel Shader 2.0
My 6200 Nvidia card has Pixel Shader 3.
red1776
Posts: 5,124 +194
enormous bandwidth, PCI =Capacity 133 MB/s (32bit) and is a parallel port,
PCI Express is a serial port and has a bandwidth of 4-8 Gb/s (v1.0/v2.0)
and yes...integrated graphics are horrid to run any game produced this millenium. what pixel shader it has,version of open GL, or DX version it has, nothing to do with the ability to run a game at playable frame rates. it is about shaders, Rop's, floating point operations per second, etc,(there is more) , and the bandwidth to be able to provide the throughput as the software demands.
Tha General
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After having my 9500gt pcie card for the past what 2 weeks now, i can you tell you there is a big difference for sure haha. I can play timeshift at 1280x1024 everything on max, from HDR max, shadows , everything and it still stays above 40 to 70fps 100% of the time, never drops below 40 frames. I am picking up my second pcie card this weekend, most likely a 4650
PCI is ok, but pcie is a trillion times better.
Pci is only good if you have a very good setup, but still pcie is amazing.
Cheers
PCI is ok, but pcie is a trillion times better.
Pci is only good if you have a very good setup, but still pcie is amazing.
Cheers
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