So you only have PCI slots and want to game?

[neilgoldman]

graphics on games these days certainly dont impress me very much launch of 360 ps3 wii were all lackluster in terms of graphics all i heard were lies spewed of every tid-bit on a game that you could imagine from the interface gameplay graphics at every E3 event held in the past decade

 

[olefarte]

I just had an idea. You know neilgoldman, if you would use a capital letter and a punctuation mark here and there, it sure would be easier to read your post.

 

[neilgoldman]

how about no i make my points clear to understand i don't write a string of paragraphcs and pilled on mulled over sentences or harped on and soforth i dont know what your talling about or refering to all i said was graphcis on computer games sucked? an ape could understand that.

 

[Technochicken]

*Fixed*

How about no. I make my points clear to understand, and I don't write a string of paragraphs and pile on mulled over sentences. I don't know what you're talking about or refering to. All I said was graphics on computer games sucked. An ape could understand that.

I believe your original post was self-contradictory, so I made some slight changes so that people have some idea what on earth you are talking about. I did not understand the "harped on and soforth" fragment, so I just chucked it.


On topic:

I threw together an HTPC from some outdated parts on an ITX motherboard- a 2.6 Ghz Celeron, 1Gb ram, and and PCI 8400gs. I have not run any extensive benchmarks, but I have run a GPU stability test to make sure the card would not overheat since it is passively cooled. The (512 mb) 8400gs scored between 47-52 FPS on the benchmark. Just as a comparison, my PCI-e 8500gt with 256mb scores around a 75 on the same benchmark, meaning 8500gt scores around 50% higher. However the PCI version of the 9400gt, which is basically the same as the 8500gt, starts at around 70$, while the 8400gs starts at 40$, meaning it costs 75% more while only yielding a 50% (or less, as my card is PCI-e, not PCI) increase in that benchmark.

I know this is nothing decisive, as it is just one benchmark, but it is something to think about. I'll try to install some other benchmarks on it so I can see what happens.

 

[neilgoldman]

what is self contradictory? im not trying to be an english professor you know and youve failed to point out excatly what im mis-phrasing or some wacked out theory im lying to myself please note specifics or dont bother yo.

 

[Technochicken]

what is self contradictory? im not trying to be an english professor you know and youve failed to point out excatly what im mis-phrasing or some wacked out theory im lying to myself please note specifics or dont bother yo.

What is self-contradictory? Read the first sentence of your previous post:

how about no i make my points clear to understand i don't write a string of paragraphcs and pilled on mulled over sentences or harped on and soforth i dont know what your talling about or refering to all i said was graphcis on computer games sucked?

I'm sorry, but your points are far from clear to understand, and I believe others agree, which is what prompted you to make that post in the first place.

I also did not fail to point out exactly what you did wrong- read my last post, where I fixed what you had written, and you should understand your grammatical mistakes.

I never mentioned any theory saying you were lying to yourself, so I have no idea where that came from either.



That's enough arguing for me as I don't want to start some stupid flame war. Anyway, I'm downloading the Crysis demo right now, so I should be able to post some meaningful results soon.

 

[neilgoldman]

you did call me a liar im self contradicting myself you stated thus im lying to myself duh but falled to follow up with a reason or fact to back it up the previous post just simpy stated 'i dont write a string of paragaphs pilled on and mulled over sentences harped on and so forth so you cant understand 'harped on so forth' and you twisted those words into somehow i intend to write oppisite of what i wrote? P.S please stop lying on this thread and get out of here cause you have no proof or any evidence to make those acusations you stated..

 

[neilgoldman]

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I never mentioned any theory saying you were lying to yourself, so I have no idea where that came from either.


I beleive your original post was self contradictory. how do you explain that?

 

[Rage_3K_Moiz]

I agree, after playing Pacman on my Atari 2600 it just doesn't compare. There is one thing though, I saw someone was using a Casio calculator the other day and guess what? It has a colour display!

Sheesh.

Whoever said games are judged based purely on their looks? There are several games out there such as The Monkey Island series, The Sam and Max series, Braid, World of Goo etc. that do not have "OMG!" graphics as their main focus; the gameplay is the main reason they are so successful and well-known.

 

[Route44]

Whoever said games are judged based purely on their looks? There are several games out there such as The Monkey Island series, The Sam and Max series, Braid, World of Goo etc. that do not have "OMG!" graphics as their main focus; the gameplay is the main reason they are so successful and well-known.

Exactly. :approve: Divine Divinity from 2002 looked even outdated then because of its 2D isometric graphics but even today there are articles written in praise of the gameplay, top notch story line, very interesting side quests that actually mean something, a HUGE non-linear world, indepth character character creation with 480 different skill combinations, etc.

By the way, its still selling.

 

[Technochicken]

I ran the Crysis Timedemo a few times, and got rather surprising results, but not in a good way. Apparently, even the puny 8400gs can be bottlenecked by the rest of the system- With all the settings as low as possible, I got an average of about 8.5 FPS, whereas my current system gets 45 FPS. I had the Task Manager open during the test, and both the CPU and Ram usage were at 90-100% during the entire test.

 

[Tha General]

Well i ran crysis with my 8400gs on my old p3, got way more than 8 fps. I was hitting 20 in some spots, but overall the game ran like a POS.
I recently tested crysis on my intel pentium d 805 / xp 64bit / 9800gt, all high specs, 1280x1024 i get 40-70fps easily. Not sure why you are still bothering with PCI cards Technochicken when you have a powerful rig.

You should grab a 5670 dude or spend 65 bucks on a pny 9800gt ee edition like i did at best buy.

 

[Technochicken]

Did you run the built in timedemo? I'm sure if I actually played the game I would get over 8.5 fps in some spots, but I doubt I would average much more than that.

Also, the 8400gs PCI card is not in my Phenom II rig, it is in an HTPC I built, which uses and ITX motherboard and only has a PCI slot for expansion. I listed the computer's specs earlier on in this thread.

 

[Tha General]

Did you run the built in timedemo? I'm sure if I actually played the game I would get over 8.5 fps in some spots, but I doubt I would average much more than that.

Oh yea i see what you're saying now, i never run that thing, because it shows less performance than it should. I haven't tried it on my quad or pentium d yet tho, i may do it just to see what i get.

Also, the 8400gs PCI card is not in my Phenom II rig, it is in an HTPC I built, which uses and ITX motherboard and only has a PCI slot for expansion. I listed the computer's specs earlier on in this thread.

Yes i know, thats why i ask why are you still using pci in general, meaning ever since i bought my first pcie card a while back which was the 9500gt, i am never looking back at pci. If i had a rig that only had pci, i would either throw it away or replace the parts in it and use pcie.

 

[Technochicken]

I am not using PCI in general- my current rig has a PCI-e card in it. As for the system with the 8400gs, I got about 90% of the parts for free, so I figured it was worth it spend 40$ on a PCI video card and have a system that could still run some older games and play HD videos.

 

[jojodancer]

i have uninstalled the driver of the geforce pic card and disabled the onboard video driver as well (should have done this later).

now after xp sign is loaded after the reboot, it is all black (shouldn't have disabled the onboard card that sooner).

now what is the best way to enable the onboard card again?

again, it is that stupid dell 2400.

 

[LinkedKube]

Load PC in safe mode and start over. The correct way, which you figured out.

 

[jojodancer]

problem is my dell can't start in safe mode, driver is stuck in mup.sys!

 

[jives11]

I seem to recall doing something similar, and ended up finding that the S-video from the card was working, so sorted it out using a TV as a temporary monitor . Have you tried booting with no card in and checked what the default is in the BIOS? Windows should default to the onboard graphics at boot time, and use it's generic VGA driver at the very least

My Dell 2350 never seems to boot into safe mode from the BIOS, I have to boot normally, then run msconfig, then tick the Safe mode boot, reboot , then later uncheck that option in config.sys

 

[megauzi]

i have no idea how to tell wat slots i have

 

[megauzi]

i see 2 that look like white PCI slots then i have another one that looks the same but black

*sry for double post*

 

[Tha General]

Awwwww i remember the pci days lol. I still want that rare albatron 8600gt, but don't have the slightest idea on how to get it. Even at the market computer shows, they don't have it anymore. I just want that card because it looks so cool and its very rare, would be nice to do some testing on my quad with it. I guess i may come across it one day.

i see 2 that look like white PCI slots then i have another one that looks the same but black

The black one sounds like a PCIEx16 slot or could be a agp.
Can you download cpu-z and pcwizard and post some info?

 

[teklord]

I don't ever want to have a PCI graphics card again for any reason, except possibly the very first GPUs as some kind of historical piece. Like collecting old PC's like Commodore 64, Amiga, Atari ST, etc.

That guy sounds like he has a dedicated graphics card slot, Everest can tell you. 3DMark06,05,03 can tell you too. There are several other ways. It may be printed in small type font on the mobo itself.

You can game with PCI graphics cards, but you can't seriously play anything released in the past few years that uses polygons. Unless you are cool with an ultra choppy slideshow, which I have played games at 0-2 FPS throughout with onboard. XD

 

[Tha General]

But its nice to have the albatron one tho, it looks good. The only pci card i have left is the visiontek 2400 pci, but i tried that on my single core le1620 when i had it and it ran like a pos. I think the card is dying tho.

Anyways, i sent albatron a email asking them where could i find it, hopefully they will get back to me with a decent answer.

In other news, my gts 250 and 9800gt is gaming perfectly. I do plan on buying a 5750 soon, and maybe one of those gtx cards, most likely a gtx 460, just waiting for a super price drop.

 

[teklord]

I was going to upgrade to the current generation GPUs when the next ones come out so I don't have to shell out $300+ dollars for something that will be outdated in a year. I'll upgrade to a nice Phenom II X4 while I wait.