The FCC wants to know why data caps are still a thing in 2023

I'm not saying that I like it, or that I support any of this, I'm just saying that is not greed, and it's usually "the users fault":
1 - you want a fast and cheap internet service? it will have data caps
2 - you could have a "cheap" internet service without caps. It will be slow (DSL)
3 - you can have a fast internet service without data caps. It will be "expensive"
I would prefer #3, if any, but not everyone has the same priorities: most people would pick #1 (if the ISPs really did their homework) although those people don't comment in TechSpot. There's also the problem that most of the time there's nothing really to choose: there's one good option and everything else sucks, or there are two options with a similar smell, or even a single option and that's it.
It's not my fault that Comcast has contracted to be the sole internet provide with my minicupality. And at 2gbps I'm sure I could use an entire months worth of DSL data fairly quickly. DSL speeds around here are 4mbps so it'd take around 72 hours to download Starfield. Keep in mind, that's while not using the internet for anything else. Hell, 4mbps is hardly fast enough to play multiplayer games and forget about streaming.

But, yes, it's the users fault. The major flaw I want to point out is what you said, fast and cheap, my internet isn't cheap. Infact, in the US we have some of the most expensive and slowest internet while also being one of the only countries with landline datacaps.
 
It's not my fault that Comcast has contracted to be the sole internet provide with my minicupality. And at 2gbps I'm sure I could use an entire months worth of DSL data fairly quickly. DSL speeds around here are 4mbps so it'd take around 72 hours to download Starfield. Keep in mind, that's while not using the internet for anything else. Hell, 4mbps is hardly fast enough to play multiplayer games and forget about streaming.

But, yes, it's the users fault. The major flaw I want to point out is what you said, fast and cheap, my internet isn't cheap. Infact, in the US we have some of the most expensive and slowest internet while also being one of the only countries with landline datacaps.
There is usually no choice for ISPs and no competition in the system. There are probably fewer ISPs than oil companies that distribute petroleum resources and we all know about the politics involved in that. It's just like Einstein and Teller always mused, the problem isn't technological, it's political.
 
There is usually no choice for ISPs and no competition in the system. There are probably fewer ISPs than oil companies that distribute petroleum resources and we all know about the politics involved in that. It's just like Einstein and Teller always mused, the problem isn't technological, it's political.
If anyone is curious, here's a list of all the ISPs that have a data cap in the US:

 
That's an unfair response. In most markets (cable), there most definitely IS a huge upcharge for a DEDICATED circuit. You may have symmetric fiber, but is it a DEDICATED FIBER line? If so, you're lucky, The problem elsewhere is, there either is little to no competition or no decent service.
Yes, it is a dedicated fiber line, and I know I'm lucky. Lucky enough to not live in some state where politicians have polluted the ISP waters with ignorance and having succumbed to the marketing engines of ISPs. In fact, Frontier also recently ran dedicated fiber lines to our neighborhood after the only thing available from them for years was garbage DSL that topped out at 500kbps - since our neighborhood is 30,000' from the switch that serves it.

With fiber, even if it were not a dedicated line, the theoretical data limit is somewhere around 1/2 the frequency of the carrier which, if we are to take 600 THz as a middle ground for visible light would be something like 300 Tbps. No small amount.
Managing traffic flow across the internet is a tricky business.
Maybe that's your experience, however,t Spectrum announced proposed data caps a couple of years back and customers and the internet pushed back - causing Spectrum to abandon their plan of implementing data caps, and thus Spectrum going back on their plan to implement data caps is an indicator, IMO, that data caps are BS.

So, if Spectrum is able to handle the traffic without problems, I think the FCC is asking the right question, and at least someone is trying to get to the bottom of the issue here.

I would love to hear the responses from ISPs. I bet it would be popcorn worthy comedy, and hopefully, those who sit on the FCC board and/or their advisers are tech savvy enough to not succumb to the BS responses at least some of the ISPs will likely provide.
It's like traffic slowing to a crawl on a crowded freeway, which I guess is the reason or excuse for the existence of data caps. That doesn't mean the problem cannot be alleviated however, (one of the reasons for the advent of IPv6). There ought to be a way providers can give the customer what they need for a reasonable price. I think the technology is there to do so.
Yes, that's the point of the FCC looking into this, to get ISPs renowned for the worst possible customer service and expecting their customers to like it to stop crapping all over their customers and provide them decent service for rates that would be considered at least within reach of other, less technically advanced nations, that provide ISP service that is far better at a cost that is far less than in the US. In the past, and some still in this day and age, US ISPs want to sit on their lazy butts, let their infrastructure languish, while charging astronomical rates (compared with the rest of the technical world) and giving crap customer service. Someone or some entity needs to tell them "Cut the Crap!"
It's awful frustrating to lose out when you are doing something really important. There is a balance between giving the customer what they demand and what is takes to get it to them and make a decent profit for the providers. If they a holding the means to do so and still don't do it then something else is up. In a system where you have to pay for extras whether you want them or not (cable and satellite subscriptions with no custom lineup) and on the other hand when you can't get the services you want when you need them without paying excessively for them, then something is rotten in Denmark.
And, IMO, the root of it is greed that politicians let them get away with.
San Diego, for example, is practically a monopoly on internet service. The county is divided by a highway that (for the most part) is serviced by one cable provider on the north (Spectrum) and a different cable provider south (COX). Rarely are the two available to choose from. COX is a complete ripoff ($170/mo for unlimited Gigablast) whereas Spectrum is something like $99 unlimited (or less). To make matters worse, COX limits the UP speed to 10Mbps on all plans except Gigablast. Yes, 10 UP. On Gigablast, I'm "blessed" to have 35.

I'd love some regulation because these ISP's just take, take, take and keep raising prices and we have YET to get fiber from COX (despite the bright orange lines having been put in the street last year).
IMO, regulation is what is needed, and the FCC asking this, and other questions, is, apparently, the only way that any kind of reasonable controls on ISP Monopolies will come into play as asinine restrictions imposed by clueless politicians will be pushed to the sidelines.

Aside from that, competition is also the answer. When my fiber provider came into our area, Spectrum magically raised data rates to all their customers at no extra cost. Tell me that they could not have done that prior to having the competition. In fact, I played hardball with Spectrum, dropped their service (20Mbps at the time) in favor of a MVNO 4G connection that was 50Mbps but moderately more expensive. Then after having been with the MVNO for about 9-months, I took advantage of a Spectrum offer for 100Mbps (which would hit 120Mbps at times) for less than I was paying when I dropped them 6-months earlier. And still my neighbor was constrained to 20Mbps when I was getting 100Mbps. WTF?

The way that I see it, it was all part of the BS games that Spectrum was playing. Ultimately, I had to laugh at Spectrum because literally three days after I dropped them (where their pathetic "retention specialist" tried to scare me into staying with them by saying "You have to be careful of other providers because they have contracts" which was BS because my new provider did not have a contract) I got a letter int he mail that said "Congratulations. We're doubling your speed to 200Mbps at no extra cost" when my new provider was giving me 5x the speed for less. 🤣

So my point here is that Spectrum had the additional bandwidth necessary to be able to offer all their customers the 200Mbps speed. In fact, after this fiber ISP gained momentum in the area, Spectrum raised the speeds for ALL their customers to 200 Mbps without charging more. Admittedly, I don't have all the facts, but as @Mark Fuller put it, I think this absolutely points to something being rotten in Denmark at least as far a Spectrum is concerned.

ISPs have been pulling this crap because they can, and no one has challenged them on it. With people in the FCC that are at least somewhat reasonable now, compared to Ash!t Pai, maybe something will finally get done so that BS crap will no longer be tolerated.

And yes, in my area, Competition is doing wonders for the customers.
 
IMO, anyone in the US not happy with their current ISP, and especially those ISPs with data caps, should definitely complain (ie., provide input) to the FCC in the public comment period for this effort.
 
It's not my fault that Comcast has contracted to be the sole internet provide with my minicupality. And at 2gbps I'm sure I could use an entire months worth of DSL data fairly quickly. DSL speeds around here are 4mbps so it'd take around 72 hours to download Starfield. Keep in mind, that's while not using the internet for anything else. Hell, 4mbps is hardly fast enough to play multiplayer games and forget about streaming.

But, yes, it's the users fault. The major flaw I want to point out is what you said, fast and cheap, my internet isn't cheap. Infact, in the US we have some of the most expensive and slowest internet while also being one of the only countries with landline datacaps.
"Usually" the exclusivity deals "should" come with a very generous price decrease BUT they're probably just political moves, which should give you pause. In this regard, unless you get a killer dirt cheap price, the best move is to incentivize competition by avoiding such deals, and the political side... that might or might not be in your hands (to influence your politicians). Internet prices, like every other price out there (housing? health care?) has to do with the market (including regulations). To get better prices we'd had to change market conditions.

Comparing Internet in USA and Europe is unfair, because of the difference in the way of life. For example, you can probably get killer internet service at very good prices if you were to live in a very connected urban center in USA (and if Google Fiber picked it, you're golden). If you happen to live anywhere else, your options are way more limited. Most of Europe lives in very dense urban centers, of course the statistics there will be great (something similar happen with power delivery and related tech, like using powerline communications for the last mile connectivity). It doesn't mean that the situation can't be improved in the USA, it just means that most of what Europeans and similar people do can't be copy&paste into the USA.
 
"Usually" the exclusivity deals "should" come with a very generous price decrease BUT they're probably just political moves, which should give you pause. In this regard, unless you get a killer dirt cheap price, the best move is to incentivize competition by avoiding such deals, and the political side... that might or might not be in your hands (to influence your politicians). Internet prices, like every other price out there (housing? health care?) has to do with the market (including regulations). To get better prices we'd had to change market conditions.

Comparing Internet in USA and Europe is unfair, because of the difference in the way of life. For example, you can probably get killer internet service at very good prices if you were to live in a very connected urban center in USA (and if Google Fiber picked it, you're golden). If you happen to live anywhere else, your options are way more limited. Most of Europe lives in very dense urban centers, of course the statistics there will be great (something similar happen with power delivery and related tech, like using powerline communications for the last mile connectivity). It doesn't mean that the situation can't be improved in the USA, it just means that most of what Europeans and similar people do can't be copy&paste into the USA.
I live within the city of Pittsburgh and have 2gigabit from Comcast. I actually live about 5 blocks from the google headquarters in Pittsburgh, there is no reason that comcast should be my only option and there should be zero reason that I have a 1.2TB limit.
 
I had a cold call from Xfinity today. The guy talking to me told me that I do not qualify for unlimited data because I wasn't using their equipment and that if I wanted unlimited data I'd have to rent their equipment and sign up for a new contract that would price me nearly twice what I pay now (including the cost of rental charges). Yeah, no thanks.

There is zero reason why a modem and router are provided from the ISP that only allows unlimited data.
 
I live within the city of Pittsburgh and have 2gigabit from Comcast. I actually live about 5 blocks from the google headquarters in Pittsburgh, there is no reason that comcast should be my only option and there should be zero reason that I have a 1.2TB limit.
Absolutely, the same broadband signal from a single provider that is the cable feed for your system can be split among several providers, there is no reason why you should not have the option to pick your ISP.
 
Absolutely, the same broadband signal from a single provider that is the cable feed for your system can be split among several providers, there is no reason why you should not have the option to pick your ISP.
The problem in the US is that the ISP actually owns the lines between your house and their signal provider instead of it being a shared utility line. If you live in a neighborhood with Verizon, Comcast and ATT, they all own seperate lines on the street that connect you to their signal provider. Comcast might have a 2000TB/s fiber line connecting them to a "signal provider" but they own everything between your house and their connection to the signal provider. Now, they get tons of government grants to pay for installing these cables but that has been shown to do nothing time and again for the last 20 years.
 
I had a cold call from Xfinity today. The guy talking to me told me that I do not qualify for unlimited data because I wasn't using their equipment and that if I wanted unlimited data I'd have to rent their equipment and sign up for a new contract that would price me nearly twice what I pay now (including the cost of rental charges). Yeah, no thanks.

There is zero reason why a modem and router are provided from the ISP that only allows unlimited data.
Yep, the unlimited "option" is an extra $30/mo (over whatever you're paying for the plan) and you need to call support and explicitly ask for it (the web page doesn't work, IF you're able to find it) OR you could use their equipment and get it "for free". The whole point with that is that you'd be hosting a hotspot for their "nationwide wifi network": basically everyone that uses a Comcast router/wifi thing adds a hotspot to the Comcast network that then is "promoted" to other Comcast users "for free" (for now). They also can, potentially, get "everything" from your network, including your wifi password. They should keep a database with all the passwords and SSID for all their "gateways": a leak/hack there should be fun. They could also be able to run whatever "scan" or data gathering operation that they want, since they'll technically own your network (and "pay" you $30/mo for it, remember, if it's free, you're the product)
 
The problem in the US is that the ISP actually owns the lines between your house and their signal provider instead of it being a shared utility line. If you live in a neighborhood with Verizon, Comcast and ATT, they all own seperate lines on the street that connect you to their signal provider. Comcast might have a 2000TB/s fiber line connecting them to a "signal provider" but they own everything between your house and their connection to the signal provider. Now, they get tons of government grants to pay for installing these cables but that has been shown to do nothing time and again for the last 20 years.
That's just it, they own everything like a monopoly and refuse to share.
 
Yep, the unlimited "option" is an extra $30/mo (over whatever you're paying for the plan) and you need to call support and explicitly ask for it (the web page doesn't work, IF you're able to find it) OR you could use their equipment and get it "for free". The whole point with that is that you'd be hosting a hotspot for their "nationwide wifi network": basically everyone that uses a Comcast router/wifi thing adds a hotspot to the Comcast network that then is "promoted" to other Comcast users "for free" (for now). They also can, potentially, get "everything" from your network, including your wifi password. They should keep a database with all the passwords and SSID for all their "gateways": a leak/hack there should be fun. They could also be able to run whatever "scan" or data gathering operation that they want, since they'll technically own your network (and "pay" you $30/mo for it, remember, if it's free, you're the product)
Last time I called them to adjust something off my plan, they put me on a new contract without my knowledge and my price jumped by $20. I don't like talking to them, they don't listen.
 
The problem in the US is that the ISP actually owns the lines between your house and their signal provider instead of it being a shared utility line. If you live in a neighborhood with Verizon, Comcast and ATT, they all own seperate lines on the street that connect you to their signal provider. Comcast might have a 2000TB/s fiber line connecting them to a "signal provider" but they own everything between your house and their connection to the signal provider. Now, they get tons of government grants to pay for installing these cables but that has been shown to do nothing time and again for the last 20 years.
Oh yeah, I remember reading a few years ago where the state of Vermont actually went to AT&T and got their money back from them, because AT&T got subsidies to roll out better service, and basically used it to increase their corporate profits. Surprisingly the state PUC (Public Utility Commission) actually called them out on it. AT&T of course told them to stuff it, at which point they pointed out they could either pay back the money or have their operating licenses revoked.
 
Fact:
- the company A wants to earn more money and doesn't know how

- the company A also doesn't want to spend more to improve the infrastructure according to the increasing demand (streaming, cloud backups, online playing, on-line companies, XXX websites in 4K, etc etc)

- so the company A, instead of spending $$$$$$ on the infrastructure, spends $$. And as the infrastructure doesn't support all the demand, data caps + extra charge or higher data plans. Then gives $$ to the politicians, regulators, etc to accept those decisions.

At the end the company A spent $$$$ (instead of $$$$$$) and even earns more money $$$ (instead of $$). The company B and C found that fabulous and follow the lead. Those companies say thanks; the politicians and regulators say thanks; the consumer that pays those companies AND those politicians and regulators, say "someone scr.w.d me!"
 
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