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[wiyosaya]

Grandmother, 76, Killed When Tesla on Autopilot Crashes Into House

The driver said he was using his car’s automated system when the car careened off the road.

www.thedailybeast.com

 

[Endymio]

Did you don your brown shirt before posting this, @wiyosaya? Unsurprisingly, a driver who kills someone blames the car, not himself. The vast majority of these claims quickly dissolve when the car's black box reveals the driver is lying.

In this particular case, the car slammed at high speed through a brick wall, despite the speed limit of 25mph in the area: a mistake that Tesla's Autopilot -- or any similar software -- is highly unlikely to make.

 

[wiyosaya]

Did you don your brown shirt before posting this, @wiyosaya? Unsurprisingly, a driver who kills someone blames the car, not himself. The vast majority of these claims quickly dissolve when the car's black box reveals the driver is lying.

In this particular case, the car slammed at high speed through a brick wall, despite the speed limit of 25mph in the area: a mistake that Tesla's Autopilot -- or any similar software -- is highly unlikely to make.

Clearly, you have no knowledge of the actual situation, and, perhaps, should not be commenting in a fashion where pretense is knowledge of the situation. And, the car, should, just like my car, know the speed limit and give warnings at least. Perhaps it did, and the driver ignored it, however, since the car clearly knows the speed limit and, so you claim, drove through a brick wall, there's at least two points of possible improvements.
1. Stop for a brick wall
2. Refuse to drive at an excessive speed for the posted, and known by the car, speed limit.

1. seems to make perfect sense, to those who know what perfect sense is. Clearly, its a WTF case.

However, it appears, without evidence other than the car's black box, that the car chooses "Insane mode" as a default operating mode.

And, of course, that appears to be a good thing to you. Autopilot, instead of reducing accidents, lets drivers drive in a fashion that is, truly, Insane.

Nothing brown shirt about it, except to those suffering from EDS - Elon Disciple Syndrome, IMO.

BTW - Tesla's autopilot has been known to slam into stationary objects - take a deeper look, you might find that some of those "stationary objects" have been parked fire trucks. I've heard of wanting to get rid of "The Deep State" but that kind of action is ridiculous.

What I did was post a headline and add an opinion.

I guess, IMO, Tesla doesn't understand "Automatic Emergency Braking".

 

[Endymio]

...however [there's] at least two points of possible improvements.

Your reversal from "Autopilot killed grandma" to "there are two points of possible improvement" was so fast it made my head spin. That's the entire point: self-driving vehicles improve, year after year after year. Human drivers continue to kill a million people a year.

1. Stop for a brick wall
2. Refuse to drive at an excessive speed for the posted, and known by the car, speed limit.

Was this a joke? First of all, the "brick wall" in question wasn't actually on the road itself. Secondly, these are not "improvements", according to human drivers. Autopilot is an overridable, optional feature. People have consistently and invariably rejected all attempts to have a vehicle's decisions supercede their own, whether it be speeding (what if you're racing a loved one to the hospital?) or even driving a vehicle full-speed into an obstacle.

Nor will any of this change -- until or unless the government mandates vehicles must override the wishes and intents of their drivers. Stop allowing your hatred of Musk to force you into asinine positions like this.

 

[wiyosaya]

Your reversal from "Autopilot killed grandma" to "there are two points of possible improvement" was so fast it made my head spin. That's the entire point: self-driving vehicles improve, year after year after year. Human drivers continue to kill a million people a year.

When you consider that Tesla encounters with parked emergency vehicles were in the news several years ago, it sounds like Tesla fails to understand "Continuous Improvement" YoY or for any other time period.
It's so simple other manufacturers have perfected it. Its no surprise, given its dictatorCEO, that they have no clue how to do so.

Guide to Automatic Emergency Braking - Consumer Reports

Consumer Reports explains the importance of automatic emergency braking, and surveyed owners share their satisfaction with this key safety feature.

www.consumerreports.org

Was this a joke? First of all, the "brick wall" in question wasn't actually on the road itself.

So you brought it up to deflect from the issue and in defense of Musk? Sounds to me like a symptom of EDS.

Secondly, these are not "improvements", according to human drivers.

Ah, so Not Crashing the car is not an improvement. Sounds about right for someone suffering from EDS.

Autopilot is an overridable, optional feature. People have consistently and invariably rejected all attempts to have a vehicle's decisions supercede their own, whether it be speeding (what if you're racing a loved one to the hospital?) or even driving a vehicle full-speed into an obstacle.

Show me the data that people specifically want, even unintentionally, their vehicle to crash into an immovable object. So, what you are saying is Tesla drivers are willing to risk their own death if their vehicle crashes into an immovable barrier? Oh, I get it. They want to win a Darwin award.

Nor will any of this change -- until or unless the government mandates vehicles must override the wishes and intents of their drivers. Stop allowing your hatred of Musk to force you into asinine positions like this.

Stop allowing your unfailing devotion to Musk to blind you to his faults, and stop advocating for a lack of common sense. Maybe people that don't suffer from EDS would actually take you seriously. $$$ =/= Intelligence.

You don't own this site. My opinion is just as valid as yours and I'll express it as I see fit.

 

[Endymio]

When you consider that Tesla encounters with parked emergency vehicles were in the news several years ago, it sounds like Tesla fails to understand "Continuous Improvement"

You're a treasure trove of disinformation today, aren't you? As of their 2022 report, Tesla vehicles had been involved in a total of 16 crashes involving emergency vehicles, but that Tesla's warning systems had begun emergency breaking in eight of those crashes, had issued collision-alert warnings in all but four, and in all but two, the driver was in control before the crash, but failed to take action. And there was only a single fatality from all these crashes, and in that case the driver was solely at fault.

Meanwhile, sixty thousand emergency vehicles per year are involved in crashes with human drivers. Over the period of time in question, that's 400,000 total crashes. Thanks for proving how much safer Teslas are than ordinary vehicles.

So you brought it up to deflect from the issue and in defense of Musk

So you took time to create an entire thread based on one crash...and then cast it as some personal reflection on Musk himself? Sig Heil, Herr @wiyosaya! Sig Heil!

 

[wiyosaya]

You're a treasure trove of disinformation today, aren't you? As of their 2022 report, Tesla vehicles had been involved in a total of 16 crashes involving emergency vehicles, but that Tesla's warning systems had begun emergency breaking in eight of those crashes, had issued collision-alert warnings in all but four, and in all but one, the driver was in control before the crash, but failed to take action.

The official ruling of, not Tesla, but the NHTSA itself on these incidents was:

"... a driver's use or misuse of the driver monitoring system "or operation of a vehicle in an unintended manner does not necessarily preclude a system defect..."


So you took time to create an entire thread on one crash and then cast it as some personal reflection on Musk himself? Sig Heil, Herr @wiyosaya! Sig Heil!

@Endymio Sig Heil, Herr @Endymio Reflect in leisure.You've had your share of misinformation, and see fit to make apologies for critical failings using an appeal to authority, NHSTA, as an excuse. How much did you leave out of your quote?

Ah, All but four. That says the whole story. And where's the disinformation in that? Failed to engage, that's telling. Nice try at SPIN, however.

 

[Endymio]

Ah, All but four. That says the whole story. And where's the disinformation in that? Failed to engage, that's telling. Nice try at SPIN, however.

No one called the system utterly perfect, Herr Goebbels. It's merely far safer than a human driver would be -- and getting safer every year. Sell your disinformation elsewhere.

 

[wiyosaya]

No one called the system utterly perfect, Herr Goebbels. It's merely far safer than a human driver would be -- and getting safer every year. Sell your disinformation elsewhere.

Take your own advice. Sell it to your masters, I'm sure they want to hear it and I feel sorry for you that you seem to think your BS will change the overall political state in the US. Once a citizen of an authoritarian regime, always a citizen of an authoritarian regime - I guess. And, apparently, liking it, no less.

And all you can do it imply others are spreading disinformation from a master of disinformation, and call names like a grade-school child? Laughable.

What's the matter? Is your "investment" in SpaceX tanking already?

A Tesla, once again, after years of "improvements," failed to stop for a "solid barrier" yet again. Those are some outstanding improvements. It's considered, in many areas, illegal to commit suicide, yet your answer is "NHSTA Approved it," so there's nothing wrong. Go ahead, buy a Tesla and take the very real chance that you will experience a failure of the car's "Automated Emergency Braking" system.

 

[Endymio]

A Tesla, once again, after years of "improvements," failed to stop for a "solid barrier"

Not even a Tesla will override the actions of its human driver, when it commands it to leave the road. Nor can *any* vehicle brake when its wheels are flying through the air.

Note that, despite impacting a brick wall at high speed, the driver of the Tesla escaped injury. It calls to mind another time a human driver -- attempting kill himself, his wife, and his two children inside the vehicle -- intentionally drove his Tesla straight off the edge of a 250-foot high cliff. All four occupants survived without serious injury. Amazing!

Unlikely survival of family that plunged off 250-foot California cliff credited to luck, Tesla's design

Dharmesh Patel, 41, is accused of intentionally driving a Tesla Model Y off a roughly 250-foot cliff with his family inside.

www.nbcnews.com

Keep proving for us how much safer Teslas are than other vehicles. Are you being paid by Musk to promote these stories?

 

[wiyosaya]

NHTSA probes fatal Tesla crash into Texas home that killed woman

Federal safety regulators are now investigating the fatal Tesla crash in Katy, Texas, where a Model 3 left a residential...

electrek.co

The federal investigation raises the stakes, but it doesn’t change the core problem. We still don’t know whether a driver-assistance system was actually engaged — that’s Butler’s claim, and the data recorder will settle it. NHTSA getting involved means that data is far more likely to become public, which matters.


What the surveillance video adds is the hardest part. A Model 3 doing 60 to 70 mph down a residential street, missing a turn, and going through the front of a house is not a subtle edge case. If the car was driving itself, this is a catastrophic failure. If it wasn’t, it’s a driver who badly misjudged what his car was doing — and the question becomes why he believed it would make that turn for him.

To me, it looks like a pedal error. However, Tesla’s ADAS system, Autopilot or FSD, might still have been involved. It might have screwed up and the driver might have pressed the wrong pedal trying to correct it.


That belief doesn’t come from nowhere. The names, the marketing, and the easily-gamed driver monitoring all push owners toward exactly the complacency that I’ve written about candidly with FSD v14. The system is good enough to lull you and nowhere near good enough to trust. With an Engineering Analysis already on the books and a fatality now attached to a Tesla in the federal record, the cost of overpromising keeps landing on people who never signed up for it — this time, a grandmother standing in her own living room.

 

[Endymio]

NHTSA probes fatal Tesla crash into Texas home that killed woman

Federal safety regulators are now investigating the fatal Tesla crash in Katy, Texas, where a Model 3 left a residential...

electrek.co

The NHTSA investigates all fatality-involved crashes by FSV Teslas, as these are so rare, the agency has ample resources to do this; something which would be impossible for all human-involved crashes. Thanks again for proving how much safer they are than ordinary vehicles.

As a comment from the article you linked highights, when a vehicle is doing 70mph in a 25mph zone, it's pretty clear where the fault lies:

KL: "What was the human driver doing to not notice how fast the M3 was going before it jumped the curb and slammed into the house? In this instance, I find it very hard to believe that the L2 autonomous driving system was engaged. IMO, the driver clearly does not want to take responsibility for his reckless driving."

 

[wiyosaya]

Not even a Tesla will override the actions of its human driver, when it commands it to leave the road. Nor can *any* vehicle brake when its wheels are flying through the air.

What I gather from your perspective is that Teslas can actually fly!
Changing the conversation again. Maybe NASA ought to hire you to deflect asteroids that are on a collision course with the Earth.

Note that, despite impacting a brick wall at high speed, the driver of the Tesla escaped injury. It calls to mind another time a human driver -- attempting kill himself, his wife, and his two children inside the vehicle -- intentionally drove his Tesla straight off the edge of a 250-foot high cliff. All four occupants survived without serious injury. Amazing!

I guess that means that Tesla owners will be entering their cars in demolition derby events - world-wide.

Unlikely survival of family that plunged off 250-foot California cliff credited to luck, Tesla's design

Dharmesh Patel, 41, is accused of intentionally driving a Tesla Model Y off a roughly 250-foot cliff with his family inside.

www.nbcnews.com

Keep proving for us how much safer Teslas are than other vehicles. Are you being paid by Musk to promote these stories?

So if you're driving a Tesla, you have the ultimate weapon, but if you see one on the road, run, or if you are minding your business in your own home, lobby your legislators to prohibit the vehicles on any street until Tesla's/Musk's BS marketing actually matches the performance of the vehicle on the road. False advertising is and has been illegal.

But if you are in China and you complain about a legitimate Tesla failure, watch out! Tesla will sue you for defamation.

Takeaways: Tesla has sued Chinese customers and journalists — and won almost every time

Tesla has sued its own customers and journalists in China for defamation and won just about every time.

apnews.com

 

[wiyosaya]

The NHTSA investigates all fatality-involved crashes by FSV Teslas, as these are so rare, the agency has ample resources to do this; something which would be impossible for all human-involved crashes. Thanks again for proving how much safer they are than ordinary vehicles.

As a comment from the article you linked highights, when a vehicle is doing 70mph in a 25mph zone, it's pretty clear where the fault lies:

KL: "What was the human driver doing to not notice how fast the M3 was going before it jumped the curb and slammed into the house? In this instance, I find it very hard to believe that the L2 autonomous driving system was engaged. IMO, the driver clearly does not want to take responsibility for his reckless driving."

Yup. Cite a comment from some internet Joe, like yourself, instead of people in the know. Jump to conclusions before the investigation is finished. Got it. Does fElon pay you to uphold his reputation like he pays people to play a game and pretend they are him so he can "look better?"

 

[Endymio]

Yup. Cite a comment from some internet Joe, like yourself, instead of people in the know.

Is your memory so short? I first cited Tesla and the NHTSA; you didn't like those sources.

...Jump to conclusions before the investigation is finished.

You mean, do as you have? I'm simply using a process alien to yourself: logic. Given the facts, there are only two possible outcomes: either the driver is fully at fault, or partially at fault. Take your pick

Does fElon pay you to uphold his reputation

You've helped his reputation here far more than I? If you were on his payroll yourself, you couldn't possibly do a better job.

 

[Endymio]

What I gather from your perspective is that Teslas can actually fly!

If you define "flying" as driving off a cliff, an overpass, or other elevated point: yes.

Maybe NASA ought to hire you to deflect asteroids that are on a collision course with the Earth.

I already have a solution for that: https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0608157

I guess that means that Tesla owners will be entering their cars in demolition derby events - world-wide.

The growing prevalence of emojis indicate blind rage is causigng your language skills to desert you.

if you are in China and you complain about a legitimate Tesla failure, watch out! Tesla will sue you for defamation.

Takeaways: Tesla has sued Chinese customers and journalists — and won almost every time

Tesla has sued its own customers and journalists in China for defamation and won just about every time.

apnews.com

Even in China, if you falsely defame someone, you must bear the consequences ... unless you're a high CCP party official, of course.

 

[wiyosaya]

Elon Musk loses trillionaire status after tech sell-off erases billions from fortune

Elon Musk's net worth has dropped below $1 trillion after SpaceX and Tesla shares fell during a broader tech sell-off, less than two weeks after the milestone.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[wiyosaya]

If you define "flying" as driving off a cliff, an overpass, or other elevated point: yes.

I guess if you are seeking a Darwin award, then your definition fits.

I already have a solution for that: https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0608157

As if you authored it. If not, its plagiarism.

The growing prevalence of emojis indicate blind rage is causigng your language skills to desert you.

I suggest you seek help for EDS unless you like the taste of the dirt on fElon's boots.

Even in China, if you falsely defame someone, you must bear the consequences ... unless you're a high CCP party official, of course.

Clearly, you didn't read the article.

 

[Endymio]

Clearly, you didn't read the article.

Clearly your psychological disorder against Musk demands you misrepresent it. The article notes several people in China have been sued by Tesla for libel, and that an independent court found that, in nearly all cases, their claims were indeed false and defamatory. Being written by another anti-Muskite, the author goes to great lengths to insinuate some of those customers' claims had merit ... but fails to provide even a single shred of evidence to support that. He further suggests that China may be "protecting Tesla" ... a hilariously absurd allegation, given recent history. China protects Chinese firms, and has already rang up quite a record of legally assisting CCP-subsidized BYD .... against Tesla.

 

[wiyosaya]

SpaceX Stock Vaporizes $811 Billion In Value

In the space exploration business, money is easy come, easy go. And that's something Space Exploration IPO investors learned the hard way.

www.investors.com