airbornex
Posts: 628 +858
I thought the same, but that's not the whole picture... interesting comment from Reddit (this article hit Reddit's front-page)....
The Netherlands just blocked a US company from buying the app Dutch citizens use for everything
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Nothing you wrote sayings anything about private use data. Statistics? That's normal, it's anonymous data that is strictly regulated under GDPR, much more strictly than in the US."Yes, the EU Data Act gives government access to data stored on private servers, when:
- a public sector body, the Commission, the European Central Bank or a Union body is acting on the basis of Union or national law and has identified specific data, the lack of which prevents it from fulfilling a specific task carried out in the public interest, that has been explicitly provided for by law, such as the production of official statistics or the mitigation of or recovery from a public emergency...."
The language is clear. The phrase "such as" is in legal terms, an "illustrative example", not a restrictive case. Under current EU law, if any public sector or union body says they have a "specific task" which is in their opinion "in the public interest", the data must be released. Period.
Actually, I've been following the Durov case since France first began pressuring him to release all the private encryption keys stored on Telegram servers, months before they arrested him on trumped up charges.
You derail every thread on this forum with your talk of pedophilia. I advise you to seek professional help. For my part, I'm simply glad I don't live in Romania, the top child sex trafficking hot-spot on the continent.
Sex trafficking in Romania and Moldova
The charges faced in Romania by a high-profile ‘influencer’ highlight how the region has become a hub for sex trafficking.www.socialeurope.eu
YOU HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AGAIN.
"The language is clear" - only to you. nobody else interprets it that way.
Here you go. This is what it officially allows. Stop reading stupid maga blog posts from low IQ people who can't read and say whatever they "think" it means.
Chapter V of the Data Act allows public sector bodies (like government agencies or municipal authorities) to request data held by the private sector, but they cannot just go fishing. They must prove an exceptional need, which the law separates into two strict categories:
- Public Emergencies: In the event of a major crisis—such as a natural disaster, a pandemic, or a severe cybersecurity incident—public authorities can request data to respond to or recover from the emergency.
- Non-Emergency Public Interest: Authorities can request specific data if it is strictly necessary to fulfill a specific task in the public interest that is explicitly mandated by law (e.g., official statistics or city planning), and only if that data cannot be obtained by any other means (like purchasing it on the market).
The Data Act does not override the General Data Protection Regulation. Any personal data shared must still meet strict GDPR compliance.
As for your Romania "diss", Romania is many time safer for both adults and children than the US. It's one of the safest countries in the world.
FYI Andrew Tate is an AMERICAN born in Washington DC who later moved to the UK. He was saved from prosecution by trump's pedophile friends in the oval office.
"officials from the administration of U.S. President Donald Trump, including former White House liaison Paul Ingrassia and special envoy Richard Grenell, intervened to assist the Tate brothers. This U.S. intervention contributed to easing their legal constraints and relaxing travel bans"
Plutoisaplanet
Posts: 1,909 +2,572
I checked other reporting and found your context to be extremely inaccurate and fear-mongering. It wasn't arbitrary, it was a legally-binding subpoena for a valid reason: law-making. You have yet to prove that due process was not followed or that openly sharing data with the US government is a normal occurrence for American companies.Due process? In the US? that's a good joke.
"It would be extremely unusual for a company to hand over data about foreign users for an arbitrary reason" - this is fresh out of the oven:
Microsoft Accused Of Sharing Dutch Officials’ Data with U.S. Government
Microsoft shared Dutch officials' data with U.S. government despite European privacy laws, exposing how American cloud services bypass data protection.www.yahoo.com
Furthermore, the link you cited is from "Gadget Review". There was some wildly inaccurate reporting there, claiming that the US Cloud Act of 2018 compels American companies to provide overseas "data" to US authorities, full stop. In reality, this ONLY applies when due process is followed, whereas before law enforcement could be prevented from due process if the data stored was overseas.
Here's the reality: this law incorporates into due process that companies OR courts can reject or challenge these requests if they believe the request violates the privacy rights of the foreign country the data is stored in. This specifically applies when:
So no, you're dead wrong. https://www.alstonprivacy.com/cloud-act-impact-cross-border-access-contents-communications/
Endymio
Posts: 5,165 +4,813
Lol, no. The output of statistical data is anonymous, but the inputs are not. Seriously, how do you think you precisely calculate, say, the average household size of Dutch citizens, except through summing then dividing the size of each individual household?
Exactly as I said. All some government body must do is say "we need this data to help fill our mandate, and all that private data comes tumbling out.
or "e.g. anything else they think of". Those are illustrative examples only, and not restrictive clauses under the law.
Not for child sex trafficking victims:
"Romania is widely recognized by the EU and international agencies as a primary country of origin for human trafficking. Criminal organizations frequently use the country as a hub to recruit vulnerable women ...These victims are then exploited locally or trafficked to Western Europe and the Middle East."
BBC: "Trafficking ring preyed on vulnerable Romanian teens"
Trafficking ring preyed on vulnerable Romanian teens - police
Men and women were taken from Romania and forced to work for little pay in Budapest.
www.bbc.com
"Justice and Care’s 'Child Trafficking in Romania: A Comprehensive Study’ provides a detailed investigation of the hidden scale of child trafficking in Romania. Comprehensive research, conducted by the University of Greenwich (London), exposes alarming gaps in prevention, awareness, and resources..."
Hidden Chains and Missing Links – Child Trafficking in Romania: A Comprehensive Study - Human Trafficking Search
Justice and Care’s ‘Hidden Chains and Missing Links – Child Trafficking in Romania: A Comprehensive Study’ provides a detailed investigation of the hidden
humantraffickingsearch.org
"Romania has become what experts in the sex trafficking field call “a global center for human trafficking” (Batstone, Romania a Global Center for Human Trafficking, 2011, February 17th). It is a source, transit, and destination country for women, children, and even men subjected to sex trafficking. Romania is one of the biggest exporters of human flesh to Western European and Middle Eastern societies."
"The BBC has found that children as young as 10 are being groomed in Romania, to be trafficked to the UK.
Once they arrive as teenagers, they're kept captive and pimped out for sex.
With police struggling to stop this brutal trade, BBC correspondent Jean Mackenzie has spent two years travelling between Romania and the UK. She uncovers why this industry is thriving, as she meets the girls being bought and sold."...
Sex trafficking: Children groomed in Romania sent to UK
BBC correspondent Jean Mackenzie finds children as young as 10 are being groomed in Romania, to be trafficked to the UK.
www.bbc.com
Nothing you posted says that the US is better than Romania. There is also another problem with the US: you have a hard time distinguishing between victims of human trafficking and "illegal" immigrants. If fact, your administration, your pedophile leader, just wants them all out of the country WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.Lol, no. The output of statistical data is anonymous, but the inputs are not. Seriously, how do you think you precisely calculate, say, the average household size of Dutch citizens, except through summing then dividing the size of each individual household?
Exactly as I said. All some government body must do is say "we need this data to help fill our mandate, and all that private data comes tumbling out.
or "e.g. anything else they think of". Those are illustrative examples only, and not restrictive clauses under the law.
Not for child sex trafficking victims:
"Romania is widely recognized by the EU and international agencies as a primary country of origin for human trafficking. Criminal organizations frequently use the country as a hub to recruit vulnerable women ...These victims are then exploited locally or trafficked to Western Europe and the Middle East."
BBC: "Trafficking ring preyed on vulnerable Romanian teens"
Trafficking ring preyed on vulnerable Romanian teens - police
Men and women were taken from Romania and forced to work for little pay in Budapest.
"Justice and Care’s 'Child Trafficking in Romania: A Comprehensive Study’ provides a detailed investigation of the hidden scale of child trafficking in Romania. Comprehensive research, conducted by the University of Greenwich (London), exposes alarming gaps in prevention, awareness, and resources..."
Hidden Chains and Missing Links – Child Trafficking in Romania: A Comprehensive Study - Human Trafficking Search
Justice and Care’s ‘Hidden Chains and Missing Links – Child Trafficking in Romania: A Comprehensive Study’ provides a detailed investigation of the hidden
"Romania has become what experts in the sex trafficking field call “a global center for human trafficking” (Batstone, Romania a Global Center for Human Trafficking, 2011, February 17th). It is a source, transit, and destination country for women, children, and even men subjected to sex trafficking. Romania is one of the biggest exporters of human flesh to Western European and Middle Eastern societies."
"The BBC has found that children as young as 10 are being groomed in Romania, to be trafficked to the UK.
Once they arrive as teenagers, they're kept captive and pimped out for sex.
With police struggling to stop this brutal trade, BBC correspondent Jean Mackenzie has spent two years travelling between Romania and the UK. She uncovers why this industry is thriving, as she meets the girls being bought and sold."...
Sex trafficking: Children groomed in Romania sent to UK
BBC correspondent Jean Mackenzie finds children as young as 10 are being groomed in Romania, to be trafficked to the UK.
And according to your own gov reports, one of the primary destinations of human trafficking is the US:
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And you really shot yourself in the foot with that Andrew Tate comment. You literally, because as per usual you don't do your research, admitted that Trump's administration helped child sex traffickers that were supposed to be prosecuted in Romania. CONGRATS!!!!
Endymio
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Except for Romania being the largest child sex trafficking hub on the entire continent, you mean? It's right there in the links I gave.
Stop spreading disinformation. 'Due process' for deporting an illegal alien in the US is an administrative deporting ruling.
"...President Bill Clinton signed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) in 1996, which established the "expedited removal" system that allows deportation of aliens through internal administrative hearings without a full judicial review...."
Why must you continually spread easily disproven lies and disinformation. Andrew Tate was never even accused of exploiting children.
"Andrew Tate was never even accused of exploiting children." - protecting a pedophile again? He was literally charged with pedophilia in Romania in 2024 with one of the victims being 15.
"largest child sex trafficking hub on the entire continent" - pffff hahahahaha. so confidently wrong. no dude, it is not. the data you showed just talks about EU citizens. the majority of victims are from non-EU countries (primarily from South America, Asia, and parts of Africa) and it has nothing to do with Romania, the actual european hubs being in: Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Austria, and Greece.
Romania is sitting in 2023 at the average for EU and in 2024 it's barely above France.
Tell us more how due process is a "ruling" and not something that had to be done until trump ordered his pathetic racist ICE goons not to do.
But hey, you must be so "proud" that the US has a pedophile president who's administration also helping other pedophiles escape prosecution.
Tell us more about Andrew Tate since you like him so much.
Endymio
Posts: 5,165 +4,813
Lol, what? I hate to tell you, but South America, Asia, and Africa are not on the continent of Europe. Would you like some geography references?
The pedophile president was Joe Biden, whose own daughter admitted he showered with her until she turned age 14, and who says the "highly inappropriate" acts in those showers contributed to her life-long psychological problems? Since 2016, you've been ranting against Trump for <insert_reason_here>. Funny you loved pedo Joe so much.
Now -- THIS thread is about a Dutch firm transfer being blocked. Stop derailing every thread with your pedophilia fetish.
You are literally a pedophile defender. Your administration is full of pedophiles and sexual abusers. You literally admitted (even if you didn't wanted to), that trump's administration saved Andre Tate... SO PATHETIC
As for your "continent" dismissal... you literally don't understand how this works. Are you realy that bad at understanding common sense? Do you think that I posted an image of african countries? At least try dude, don't embarrass yourself like this.
You counter argument is "biden's daughter" which dismissed all accusations from something that was stolen and misquoted from her diary. You can only point fingers at others saying: don't look at trump! look at these guys! As if that changes the fact trump is a pedophile and that you are a pedo defender.
You are a pedo defender!
Pretty sure that is false. There is a legal process that is supposed to be followed for the government to acquire data about people that is considered private. It's called a warrant.
Endymio
Posts: 5,165 +4,813
Why must you derail every thread with your pedophilia fantasies? And why did you so strongly support Joe Biden, once his own daughter accused him? Again: I urge you to seek help.
You ignored links calling Romania the trafficking hub of the continent by referring to worse condition in parts of "South America, Asia, and Africa". They're not in Europe, bud.
And you don't understand your own chart, which shows where the victims were RESCUED AND REGISTERED. As my links demonstrate, most of those victims were trafficked out of Romania. Why are you defending your pedo country so heavily?
Ashley Biden left her diary in an AirBNB, where it was found. Do you think that somehow changes what she wrote? Project Veritas literally published online the actual images of her handwritten pages. Oh, and let's not forget Joe Biden proudly boasting about how he loves young child "jumping in my lap" and "playing with my leg hair in swimming pools".
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The left justify committing violence to justify their causes. THE definition of fascism literally.You seem to be confused, but that's normal for maga. The worldwide consensus is that you are the fascist here. You can thank pedo Trump for this title.
Tell us more how Hitler was from the left using nothing but debunked lies. Tell us more how Hitler was "pro union" by killing union members and destroying all non-state controlled unions because of "campaign propaganda", before the nazis were elected, you read somewhere shady (probably fox news or truth social)
pnntmp
Posts: 773 +1,368
That's interesting, but irrelevant.
The company in question is a cloud service provider - it does not own this data. The data is simply stored, processed etc. there. If the company's owner changes, that does not affect the data ownership in absolutely any way. If the Dutch government (which I guess is the data owner) is concerned about the new management, they may simply pick another service provider.
The whole story about the data of all Dutch citizens being sold is total BS.
You have zero examples of that. Instead you have trump doing it in full view of everybody, all the while he is celebrating with tweets the deaths of people
Here the two recent ones:
"Robert Mueller just died. Good, I'm glad he's dead"
"...killed due to Reiner's 'Trump Derangement Syndrome'... I was not a fan of Rob Reiner at all I thought he was very bad for our country."
But hey, fascists always try to point fingers at others with zero actual evidence just to distract from what they are blatantly doing. You do not deny that the world sees trump and maga as fascist and that trump is actively implementing fascist policies and presidential orders, you just hide behind this phrase that you parrot every day: "others are doing it too", without ever giving real examples.
Endymio
Posts: 5,165 +4,813
You mean, besides three assassination attempts against Trump, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, the assassination of the UHC CEO, the assassination attempt of a conservative Supreme Court judge, and several thousand other examples?
Millions of liberals literally danced in the streets when Charlie Kirk was murdered. One liberal who came to protest Kirk actually immediately jumped in to claim HE was the killer -- as he later said, in order to buy the actual murderer more time to get away. Prominent liberals made jokes about it on national TV, and at least one campus shadow group formed to not only celebrate the murder, but to advocate for more killigns.
Once again: fascism is and has always been a doctrine of the far Left.
~referring to worse condition in parts of "South America, Asia, and Africa"~ pfff hahahahahaha. continue being confidently wrong dude. you still don't understand what this refers to, even though I wrote in a way that even a 5yo can understand. you are still embarrassing yourself completely. this is just too funny, I can see your mind breaking because of this simple fact and proper statistics from eurostat that you can't dispute.
" Do you think that somehow changes what she wrote?" - it says nothing about assault. but hey, congrats on distorting the truth and refusing to accept her own words. but when trump literally tells you that he enjoyed watching little girls naked you just ignore it completely.
this is what pedophiles do, they hide behind lies and disinformation.
you tried to use the "tate" card and you completely exposed pedophiles in trump's back yard. this was hilarious to see you panic because of your own mistake.
In the end, you remain a pedophile defender. You remain sexual abuser defender. You remain a racist defender. You remain a fraud defender. You remain a convict defender.
All those things are what makes trump, trump. And you love him for that. And you hate the EU because they appose trump (although it's trump's fault too).
You even tried to use the EU Data Act without knowing what it actually does... another hilarious mistake.
You even tried to use the Age verification app "release date" even though you confused the public consumer release with corporate and government access which was done the year prior.
You even tried to tie Hitler to the left, even though the whole world debunked you and all you did was use propaganda material as apposed to what they actually did. You didn't even know basic things. It was hilarious seeing you scramble to figure out what to say after being destroyed time and time again on this topic.
Endymio
Posts: 5,165 +4,813
Ashley Biden, in writing about why she suffered life-long psychological trauma, wrote of the "highly inappropriate" acts that occured when her father showered with her, from the time she was a little girl until age 14. Defend that all you wish.
Given you pollute every thread on this forum with your pedophilia fantasies, it's pretty clear who has the problem here.
I quoted the exact text of the act. You can't change reality by denying it.
Hitler led a far-Left socialist part of unionists into complete and total power. This is simple historical fact. The National Socialists were far Left of Germany's conservative Weimer Republic that they overthrew. It's insane to claim Hitler "didn't ban guns" because, once he'd seized millions of firearms and imprisoned, exiled, or executed their owners, he then restored gun ownership -- but only to good Nazi Party Members.
"I quoted the exact text of the act" - which you misread or misunderstood... or like always refused to go the extra mile to understand what the government can actually do. and when given the extra information you doubled down on your misunderstanding because you couldn't accept reality.
Given that you pollute this forum every time with intentional disinformation (like fake "historical facts"), you have issues dude. Seriously I've never seen people tell me things you did about hitler and nazis... it's insane the things you actually believe. It's like you live on a different planet then the rest of the global population.
You seem to have different historical facts from what's written in every history book. But that doesn't bother you. You think that the world is wrong, not you. You also always confused nazi propaganda with things they actually did, which makes zero sense... it's like you think that political campaigns, slogans and all that BS equal on the ground actions.
And this insane notions you have about the EU and hitler lead directly towards you accepting everything trump does. From pedophilia, sexual abuse, racism, fraud and even giving his neighbors' dog IRS immunity. You think that all of this is normal for the leader of the USA.
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Endymio
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English isn't a difficult language. Let's try again: just point out which word you failed to understand:
"Yes, the EU Data Act gives government access to data stored on private servers, when:
- a public sector body, the Commission, the European Central Bank or a Union body is acting on the basis of Union or national law and has identified specific data, the lack of which prevents it from fulfilling a specific task carried out in the public interest, that has been explicitly provided for by law, such as the production of official statistics or the mitigation of or recovery from a public emergency...."
ANY task that ANY EU or public sector bodies deems "in the public interest" can be used as justification to order the release of any and all private-sector data. This is beyond dispute.
I've quoted you specific texts from reputable scholarly sources. You're the one making absurd claims that Hitler "never banned guns", when the facts are clear. Since you refuse to accept the word of historians, Wikipedia may be more your speed:
"Nazi gun confiscation refers to the specific weapon laws enacted in Germany and occupied territories during the 1930s and 1940s. The regime used existing registration records to disarm Jews, political dissidents, and other marginalized groups, then loosening gun laws for loyal party members...."
It was 1933 when the National Socialists used gun registration records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable. For the next five years, the far-Left National Socialists "cleansed society", and placed all "undesirables" in labor camps. The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews or anyone who was deemed "political unreliable".
It was THEN AND ONLY THEN -- in 1938 -- that Hitler determined it was safe to relax gun laws ... but he did so only for "good party members"
Northy
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I see a large narrative in this community blaming their psychopathic Commander in Chief, but I think the pure greed and exploitative nature of US big tech was going to force this anyway.
Ah yes, doing copy paste of the same crap repeatedly will surely make your argument true. All you need is copy-paste it another 10 times while you ignore every response and every fact that was thrown at you in many posts.
"The regime used existing registration records to disarm Jews, political dissidents, and other marginalized groups" - Yeah, exactly the point I was making. They use racist targeted laws, not broad bans (just like trump is doing right now with attacks on minorities in the US). But you don't seem to understand this simple fact. Constitutional rights were suspended in 1933 for jews and political opponents (exactly like how trump is acting against the constitution of the US and doing whatever he feels like, literally going against congress and scotus). And when political power was completely established they gave aryan germans more guns... it's that simple. It's a historical fact of what extreme right wing fascists did, not an "eventually".
Nothing you wrote there makes them "leftists". In fact they were acting like how trump is doing right now with attacks on political opponents and attacks on minorities while giving maga more power.
"I've quoted you specific texts from reputable scholarly sources." - No you didn't. You misquoted, taken things out of context and intentionally wrote disinformation. And after you were proven wrong you just copy paste the same crappy argument somewhere else pretending that you never had a discussion on that subject before. And you do it again and again and again, repeating the same wrong things time and time again.
You literally copy-pates this line several times: "the production of official statistics or the mitigation of or recovery from a public emergency" - and in your mind processed it to say that this gives governments power over the data... that's just not true. And you were proven to be incorrect multiple times, but you keep copy-pasting the same thing ignoring everything. you seem to have major comprehension issues if you do not understand what that line of text says and what it allows governments to do (especially when I gave you the full context several times).
In reality you do not care about the truth. you just need talking points with disinformation to further your maga agenda here. you need disinformation to distract from the reality of you defending pedophiles and convicted criminals.
Endymio
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Are you joking with this inane claptrap? First, the Nazis didn't just target Jews, they targeted their political opponents (as the modern Left does today). Anyone who they considered "enemies of the state". Glad you're now admitting that the Nazis did indeed seize guns.
As for attacks on Jews today, it's not conservatives chasing Jewish students through the halls of our campuses. t's "progressive" liberal brownshirts. The fascist Left./t
Stop being absurd. The US President with by far the worst record for unconstitutional acts -- as judged by the US Supreme Court is Barack Obama ... more than Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, Clinton, and Trump all combined.
Endymio
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You need to learn that simply bleating "you're wrong!", doesn't mean you've disproven a fact. The private data the EU governments are allowed to access is NOT "anonymous", whether or not its being used for "statistical purposes". Under this law, the EU can access anything and everything. It's right there in the text of the statute.
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Ah yes, because everybody is wrong in europe and only you are right.
This stems from your lack of understanding of EU laws. But I can't blame you, you don't need to know the EU laws and regulations to spread disinformation.
" It's right there in the text of the law." - yeah, it's right there, the proof of you spreading disinformation and copy-pasting the same embarrassing thing again.
If you cannot accept human input and facts, then go freaking as an AI about it. Maybe that will help you since common sense and laws are beyond you.
Here's the prompt if you do not know what to ask: "does the the EU Data Act give governments access to data stored on private servers?"
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"First, the Nazis didn't just target Jews" - it's literally in what you wrote before... but now they weren't attacking jews? are you saying that history is wrong now?
"The regime used existing registration records to disarm Jews"
You sir are a joke.
"As for attacks on Jews today" - Pretty sure I said minorities, not jews. But hey, it's just another thing you didn't read. I guess you do not consider what ICE is doing as an attack on minorities when they literally have racist orders that they have to comply with, orders directly from trump. To you racial profiling is normal.
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