The United States no longer prioritizes Russia as a major cyber threat

[kiwigraeme]

Depends on the mid-elections I guess. Not that there will be much to save if this continues for 2 more years

Project 2025 is removing all checks and balances , all oversights.
I bet Trump will sack and choose Senators who will stand mid-terms , only cowards need apply

 

[Axeia]

USA has spent more money on Ukraine than all the rest combined. About time we make other countries put money where mouth is. Sick of my tax dollars going to Ukraine.

Please provide a source other than Trump saying it. The Kiel institute (independent) has the US down for about 122 billion and Europe at double that.

Some European countries like Denmark, Lithuania etc have given over 2% of their GDP.

Furthermore most of the aid the US has given was in military assets. On paper the US can say it's worth however much it'll cost to replace it with new equipment, the cluster munition that was donated for example pads out the financial numbers nicely but it's leftover surplus that isn't actually getting replaced. Worse still they'd somehow have to securely decommission it and pay for the dismantling or storage. Much cheaper to just send it to Ukraine.
Most of the European countries calculate the numbers of what the donated equipment itself is worth which makes for much lower numbers.

Trump keeps mentioning numbers of 300-350 billion USD in aid given but it simply seems to be untrue. If their internal bookkeeping gives those numbers the only explanation is massive internal corruption.

Add to all of this that the US has signed the Budapest Memorandum which had Ukraine (amongst other countries) give up its nukes on condition that the US, UK and Russia wouldn't invade Ukraine or employ economic coercion. Since Russia clearly broke this don't you feel the US is obligated more than most to help Ukraine out? Had they still had nukes invading it would have been a lot more complicated.

The US only had two countries to content with, Russia and China. How much Russia's position has weakened militarily has been an absolute bargain for the amount given to Ukraine.

 

[Ohnooze]

Don't blame Trump blame the morons that voted for him.... Everyone knew what Trump would do as president, and those ignorant people still went through with their votes.

Moronic, simply moronic.

Well you should blame the democrats as well for giving people a reason to vote for Trump. It's not like people have been impressed with Biden or Kalama.

 

[Ohnooze]

Is this really what you want TS? To post rage bait articles? Nothing about this is, or ever was going to focus on tech.

I hope raking in all these political members will be worth it in the long run for this tech site...

Yep. They know exactly what they are doing and they knew damn well it was rage bait.

 

[Kirby1]

Well you should blame the democrats as well for giving people a reason to vote for Trump. It's not like people have been impressed with Biden or Kalama.

One thing that is absolutely undeniable.

 

[The Talking Tech]

Well you should blame the democrats as well for giving people a reason to vote for Trump. It's not like people have been impressed with Biden or Kalama.

So are you saying that is better to bring the country to misery with Trump than voting Biden/Harris that could have kept national peace and stability?

Well you have quite the destructive point of view that got us where we are now....as the Stock Market and the economy is falling apart as we speak.

 

[scavengerspc]

Is this really what you want TS? To post rage bait articles? Nothing about this is, or ever was going to focus on tech.

I hope raking in all these political members will be worth it in the long run for this tech site...

Man, you seriously don't see the topic header "cyber threat" as tech?

 

[Scodd]

USA has spent more money on Ukraine than all the rest combined. About time we make other countries put money where mouth is. Sick of my tax dollars going to Ukraine.

Yer just not good with numbers and facts. Do you have any idea how much we have spent on Israel? And Vietnam, Egypt, Afghanistan, South Korea, Iraq, India, Great Britian, to name a few.

 

[bandit8623]

Wrong. Check the facts. I'm sick of my tax money going to Israel.



Yer just not good with numbers and facts. Do you have any idea how much we have spent on Israel? And Vietnam, Egypt, Afghanistan, South Korea, Iraq, India, Great Britian, to name a few.

and if you read I said I have the same opinion on them all. its ok you missed it

 

[Ohnooze]

So are you saying that is better to bring the country to misery with Trump than voting Biden/Harris that could have kept national peace and stability?

Well you have quite the destructive point of view that got us where we are now....as the Stock Market and it's economy is falling apart as we speak.

Do you think that's what I'm saying?

I'm saying that people were not impressed with the democrats and so they were removed. I'm saying that their performance is the reason Trump even had a chance. All they had to do is not totally suck and they could have beat him. But they ran a terrible campaign with a terrible candidate. Maybe don't leave the border wide open next time. What a bunch of *****s they were to think people would just ignore it.
I mean he even won the popular vote and that's saying something because Trump is hated by a lot of the people.

 

[Kirby1]

So are you saying that is better to bring the country to misery with Trump than voting Biden/Harris that could have kept national peace and stability?

Well you have quite the destructive point of view that got us where we are now....as the Stock Market and the economy is falling apart as we speak.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It doesn't feel like a coincidence that both times Trump won, he ran against a woman.

I'd be all for a woman president, and regardless of how well Hillary or Kamala would have done as president, they weren't good candidates.

America is very diverse, and with that diversity comes a lot of cultures who simply would not vote for a woman as president.

I fully believe Bernie would have beat Trump if he had been the primary in 2016 and I think a younger white man would have been Trump in 2024.

Democrats need to stop pushing candidates that America just isn't ready for, because losing to people like Trump is far worse than having a lack of diversity.

 

[bandit8623]

So are you saying that is better to bring the country to misery with Trump than voting Biden/Harris that could have kept national peace and stability?

Well you have quite the destructive point of view that got us where we are now....as the Stock Market and the economy is falling apart as we speak.

2 months. the talking tech guy pulls out blue hair. It cant take anymore

 

[bandit8623]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It doesn't feel like a coincidence that both times Trump won, he ran against a woman.

I'd be all for a woman president, and regardless of how well Hillary or Kamala would have done as president, they weren't good candidates.

America is very diverse, and with that diversity comes a lot of cultures who simply would not vote for a woman as president.

I fully believe Bernie would have beat Trump if he had been the primary in 2016 and I think a younger white man would have been Trump in 2024.

Democrats need to stop pushing candidates that America just isn't ready for, because losing to people like Trump is far worse than having a lack of diversity.

bernie had the votes the party didnt want him. last minute all the primary shoved to biden. again party issue

 

[Kirby1]

Do you think that's what I'm saying?

I'm saying that people were not impressed with the democrats and so they were removed. I'm saying that their performance is the reason Trump even had a chance. All they had to do is not totally suck and they could have beat him. But they ran a terrible campaign with a terrible candidate. Maybe don't leave the border wide open next time. What a bunch of *****s they were to think people would just ignore it.
I mean he even won the popular vote and that's saying something because Trump is hated by a lot of the people.

Part of the issue with your reasoning is that democrats have actually done very well, but you are brainwashed to believe otherwise.

The economy always does better under democrats. Global relations are always stronger under democrats. More jobs are created by democrats. And so on and so on. These are just facts, but you will never hear about it if you're on team red because of the echo chamber you live in.

So yes bad candidates, but not bad at their jobs.

 

[Ohnooze]

Part of the issue with your reasoning is that democrats have actually done very well, but you are brainwashed to believe otherwise.

The economy always does better under democrats. Global relations are always stronger under democrats. More jobs are created by democrats. And so on and so on. These are just facts, but you will never hear about it if you're on team red because of the echo chamber you live in.

So yes bad candidates, but not bad at their jobs.

I'm not on a team but I think the idea that everything is better in life when democrats are in office is a joke. That's some stupid brainwashed bs there.....and I'm the one who lives in an echo chamber....mmmk.
Again if that were true Trump would not have won.

 

[Kirby1]

I'm not on a team but I think the idea that everything is better in life when democrats are in office is a joke. That's some stupid brainwashed bs there.....and I'm the one who lives in an echo chamber....mmmk.
Again if that were true Trump would not have won.

I didn't say everything is better, but the things I listed are definitely better, and there is ample proof if you want to look it up.

Things you expect politicians to do are done more effectively by democrats, in general.

It's very clear you are on team red and don't have a real grasp on reality, despite you claiming otherwise. To those of us who are not living in a shrouded world covered by delusions, it's
immediately obvious when someone else does chooses to live that way.

Here is a very basic graph that supports my claim: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.7bf93deecd1de410abb943466da12b26?rik=W/MpGQ5JOmjNWQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&PC=EMMX01

There are countless sources of information that show these kinds of trends. I don't have to guess at which party is more effective in general because there is soooo much data to go off of. I just look at the facts.

Here's another example: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.13fa16a...DjpoL7wDCOisc=&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&PC=EMMX01

 

[Ohnooze]

Here is a very basic graph that supports my claim: https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.7bf93de...6?rik=W/MpGQ5JOmjNWQ&pid=ImgRaw&r=0&PC=EMMX01

lol....come on man. I don't claim to know who is better for the economy but Trump had Covid during his administration. The whole country shut down....what a ridiculous example.

 

[Kirby1]

lol....come on man. I don't claim to know who is better for the economy but Trump had Covid during his administration. The whole country shut down....what a ridiculous example.

I Didnt say Trump, I said Republicans in general. The data goes back well before Trump, I am not at all focusing on his era alone here, but I get that you like to do that because it makes it easier for you to ignore the facts.

I don't need to make any claims about which side has historically been better for the economy, there is ample data and all of it shows clearly the Democrats are more effective. These are facts based on real numbers, things that are easily measurable, and that we have tons of data on.

You either choose to ignore facts so you can believe what you want despite it being wrong, or you accept facts because you want to know what's real weather or not it's something you are happy about.

 

[Ohnooze]

I Didnt say Trump, I said Republicans in general. The data goes back well before Trump, I am not at all focusing on his era alone here, but I get that you like to do that because it makes it easier for you to ignore the facts.

I don't need to make any claims about which side has historically been better for the economy, there is ample data and all of it shows clearly the Democrats are more effective. These are facts based on real numbers, things that are easily measurable, and that we have tons of data on.

You either choose to ignore facts so you can believe what you want despite it being wrong, or you accept facts because you want to know what's real weather or not it's something you are happy about.

But I don't care what side is supposedly better. I never claimed that republicans were better with the economy. I'm not even sure why you're trying to argue with me about it.
I said that the people were not happy with the Biden Kamala ticket. And Kamala was the worst candidate I have ever seen. I mean she couldn't answer anything you asked her. She had no idea what to say. Are you surprised that people were uncomfortable voting for that *****?
Again I am fairly conservative but I don't have a side. I'm not a republican but I'm sure as hell not a democrat.

Do I believe everything I see from a random person on this site....? No but you could be correct in some of what you say. Do I believe that democrats or republicans are always better at everything? No I don't. I think very little is that black and white.

 

[BogdanR]

Actually you have it backwards.

Listen to any historian or geopolitical professor, particularly the most prominent and respected, such as the great Prof Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Prof Jeffrey Sachs, and the infamous Prof John Mearsheimer...

Putin has always wanted peace, the West has been longing for war and pushing for it.
The west gets away with terrorism around the world, as well as overthrowing elected leaders to replace with puppets. Have you considered perhaps the West is the criminal?

Look at what happened in 2008 Nato summit which Vladimir Putin attended.

Russia, like any country, has a right to defend themselves.

At the Bucharest 2008 NATO summit Ukraine and Georgia were told in no uncertain terms that, due to Russian concerns, there is NO path for membership in the foreseeable future.
So Ukraine and Georgia were DENIED NATO membership.
Few months later Russia invaded Georgia.
Get your facts straight !

 

[BogdanR]

So, we had people who steered and diffused the discussion from the subject at hand, which is a known propaganda tactic.
Let me bring it back on the subject.
Trump is either a Kremlin asset or the world’s biggest Useful Idi*t. Whoever argues otherwise is either a Useful Idi*t who has no friggin clue about US obligations such as the Budapest memorandum, or a paid asset of a foreign power.
Reagan is twisting in his grave.

 

[Kirby1]

But I don't care what side is supposedly better. I never claimed that republicans were better with the economy. I'm not even sure why you're trying to argue with me about it.
I said that the people were not happy with the Biden Kamala ticket. And Kamala was the worst candidate I have ever seen. I mean she couldn't answer anything you asked her. She had no idea what to say. Are you surprised that people were uncomfortable voting for that *****?
Again I am fairly conservative but I don't have a side. I'm not a republican but I'm sure as hell not a democrat.

Do I believe everything I see from a random person on this site....? No but you could be correct in some of what you say. Do I believe that democrats or republicans are always better at everything? No I don't. I think very little is that black and white.

Personally, I think it's 100% insane how you people always use the word "believe" when talking about this kind of stuff. I don't have beliefs; I have facts and data that point to clear conclusions.

Every time you use the word believe the way you do, you lose all credibility.

I'm not arguing with you; this is not an argument. This is me presenting clear data that you don't have to take my word for, and you shouldn't, while you just rant about your beliefs.

And since you lost track of the conversation, I am responding to the claim that Democrats are bad at their roles by showing that the data proves otherwise; but I do agree that Hilary, Biden, and Kamila were all relatively bad candidates even if they were/would have been good politicians in office.

Also, I never said always; I said in general. There is a clear and obvious trend that is black and white, but that doesn't mean all democratic politicians are more effective all of the time, but overall, they absolutely are when it comes to things you expect the government to do, and the data clearly shows that.

 

[bandit8623]

Personally, I think it's 100% insane how you people always use the word "believe" when talking about this kind of stuff. I don't have beliefs; I have facts and data that point to clear conclusions.

Every time you use the word believe the way you do, you lose all credibility.

I'm not arguing with you; this is not an argument. This is me presenting clear data that you don't have to take my word for, and you shouldn't, while you just rant about your beliefs.

And since you lost track of the conversation, I am responding to the claim that Democrats are bad at their roles by showing that the data proves otherwise; but I do agree that Hilary, Biden, and Kamila were all relatively bad candidates even if they were/would have been good politicians in office.

Also, I never said always; I said in general. There is a clear and obvious trend that is black and white, but that doesn't mean all democratic politicians are more effective all of the time, but overall, they absolutely are when it comes to things you expect the government to do, and the data clearly shows that.

so you have facts on what the us is actually doing with russain assets? and russian intel? I would be scared for us if we told the world ourt exact plans. clearly we are saying one thing and doing another when it comes to security.

its comical you are attacking a middle of the road person in this forum.. shows how on 1 side you really are. its a fact this guy doesnt belong to 1 party or the other.

 

[BogdanR]

we gave ukraine options its now on them to end it. seems fair if there was an agreement. the greement wasnt to fund a never ending war forever. my stance is the same for israel.

But there was an agreement called the Budapest Memorandum, which guaranteed Ukraine sovereignty and existing borders in exchange for their nukes. At that time Ukraine’s nuclear arsenal was the third in the world, hence the security guarantees which Trump tries to transform into a mafiot protection racket for somewhere between 300 to 500% interest rate.
Your idi0tic president will trigger a new arms race as nations small or big will look into acquiring nuclear weapons to defend themselves.

What? You think Iran is giving Russia drones and actively supports the war effort out of the goodness of their hearts? They are after Russian nuclear technology to shortcut their weapons program to succes. Other countries in the region and elsewhere will follow suit.

As for the so called peace in Ukraine, there’s a short way to judge it. If Russia stops fighting there’s no more war. If Ukraine stops fighting there’s no more Ukraine.

As simple as that.

So, long story short, the US signed for Ukraine’s security so there is a freely assumed in good faith obligation to help them. Period. But hey, change your country’s name in The Soviet Republic of Trumpistan and you can do whatever the f you want. But before you do that there’s no reason real or imagined or completely fabricated to stop military aid to Ukraine.

 

[Ohnooze]

Personally, I think it's 100% insane how you people always use the word "believe" when talking about this kind of stuff. I don't have beliefs; I have facts and data that point to clear conclusions.

That is rich coming from lefties...
You guys sure like to claim facts on some issues and feelings on others. Depends on what's convenient at the time. "Follow the science....when I want you to".

Every time you use the word believe the way you do, you lose all credibility.

Losing credibility with you is fine by me. Unlike you I don't think I have the answers to everything. In your case every fact benefits your ideology conveniently. When I say I don't know something it's because unlike some *****s here I don't claim my view is always the best.

while you just rant about your beliefs.

I haven't ranted about anything. In fact you're the one going off. I have nothing to rant about.

I am responding to the claim that Democrats are bad at their roles by showing that the data proves otherwise

Oh yeah all the facts that show democrats are the bestest and the republicans suck at life. But I never said democrats were bad at their jobs. I said that Biden and Kamala were not liked and did a poor job. I did not say the party was bad. I mean the democrats are in fact bad imo but that's not what I said.

Also, I never said always; I said in general. There is a clear and obvious trend that is black and white, but that doesn't mean all democratic politicians are more effective all of the time, but overall, they absolutely are when it comes to things you expect the government to do, and the data clearly shows that.

lol...ok. I'm sure all the data shows that your party is the best! Keep following your MSNBC data.