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TPP: The biggest global threat to the Internet since ACTA

By Jesse · 20 replies
Apr 30, 2013
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  1. The Electronic Frontier Foundation is reporting that the content industry is at it again with TPP, the Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement. In what it’s calling the “biggest global threat to the Internet since ACTA,” the EFF is raising alarms about the new...

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  2. The love of money is the root of all evil
  3. mrcavooter

    mrcavooter TS Member Posts: 65   +7

    That info-graphic is hilarious and full of fear mongering.
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  4. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,840   +1,184

    They are being made in secret? One line earlier it said that the meetings are at the end of May. So that means the WILL be made in secret. Except that now we know, so I guess it's not a secret anymore. What democracy exists around the pacific rim that should be included? Is it fair to say the meetings aren't transparent before they've been held?

    Who is 'they'? And the leaders in the US do a pretty good job of not jumping into multi-national agreements that hurt our citizens. See 'Kyoto protocol'.

    Or maybe this painfully biased article was simply meant to get comments like the one from Guest above rolling....
  5. Burty117

    Burty117 TechSpot Chancellor Posts: 3,044   +794

    And the UK wasn't mentioned, not sure if that's a good thing or not, I'm going to go with a good thing?

    OUTLAWXXX TS Rookie Posts: 51

    Oh milwaukeemike, going on w/ your "people in power can do no wrong" comments again? You're terribly predictable. Most politicians don't give two shits about anybody but themselves and the people that can help them make more money.

    The political system is a joke until money is taken out of politics. Money really is practically the root of all evil. You're in denial. This world is screwed because they have people like you who "think" they're wealthy while defending the people in power. Divide and conquer and you're playing into it just the way they wanted.

    It's amazing how most people that make it to the middle class, all the sudden think they've got the whole world figured out. Your motto should be "Unregulated Capitalism FTW!"
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  7. treetops

    treetops TS Evangelist Posts: 2,029   +197

    When will we get rid of lobbying? The people seem to be powerless. No one likes lobbying, yet it remains. Legal bribes that run our country. Politicians should do what they think is best for the nation not their wallet.
  8. hahahanoobs

    hahahanoobs TS Evangelist Posts: 1,919   +595

    Expect them...

    NTAPRO TS Evangelist Posts: 809   +102

    I like the way it looks at least xD
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  10. Jesse

    Jesse TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 359   +42

    The UK isn't part of the TPP because it's not on the Pacific. From my perspective, that's a good thing.
  11. Im worried about latinamerica countries, they are very susceptible to get that pact just bcuz the US order it...specially mexico. In mexico thats the way to pass every law that attempts against the people, and with the new goverment they really love to unregulate the capitalism.they really know which countries will succumb with this pact...its not coincidence. just look the list and the US have History there
  12. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,840   +1,184

    You are exactly correct. They don't care about anyone but themselves, and top on their list of self interest is re-election. And for that, they need us.

    You sound like a conspiracy theorist. How can I be so trusting of our government and be in favor of 'unregulated capitalism'? Those are opposites, democrats believe in the govt to protect them, while republicans want less regulation and a freer version of capitalism. So which am I?

    I also note that you haven't mentioned any multi-national agreements that the US has entered which have hurt us. I can give you a few huge examples of the govt failing at their intention of their laws... gas mileage quotas, no child left behind, Obamacare... but those all have some Americans in their best interest. I don't believe our govt would agree to something that would stifle American innovation.

    You may think I'm in denial and that's fine... my opinion of you is that you see things in black and white with no room for something that isn't extreme. Money is the root of all evil? Really? All of it? I could point to a few religious texts that have played a part in a few wars (and bombings!) throughout history. Anyway... money is used as a scapegoat for people who don't understand that the real motivator is power.

    Whatever, I'm not arguing with you anymore... the point was this article was so biased and full of fear-mongering that I'll be finding another source for my information about it.
  13. Jesse

    Jesse TS Evangelist Topic Starter Posts: 359   +42

    MilwaukeeMike, as with all news, I'd encourage you to fact check and look for alternate sources to ensure you have the whole story. You're concerns about bias are warranted, but generally speaking, this article is reporting what the EFF has to say on the issue.
  14. MilwaukeeMike

    MilwaukeeMike TS Evangelist Posts: 2,840   +1,184

    Excellent point, Jesse (Schoff?), but the first line I quoted...
    sounded a lot like the author's personal opinion to me. I don't think it's fair to say they have (present tense) been doing something in secret when it isn't scheduled to start for two weeks. And adding 'yet not surprising' wasn't the EFF's opinion.

    I will however admit that I'm completely guilty of not believing anything I read when it's presented in giant blood red capital letters on a black background and uses phrases like 'deeply flawed'.

    Back to the topic... if the US does succeed in getting other countries to abide by these copyright laws, the other developing countries will probably do what they always do. They'll ask for something in return (like money, aid, etc), get it, and then turn a blind eye to the crimes in their own country while telling us they're doing everything they can to stop the perpetrators.
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  15. Jad Chaar

    Jad Chaar Elite Techno Geek Posts: 6,515   +974

    It should be called FAIL instead.
  16. davislane1

    davislane1 Inquisitor Posts: 4,507   +3,508

    I must admit, the ominous black & red info graphic had me worried they were going to warn us about Nazis at some point. Thankfully, a link to an older version of the bill was included for some perspective.
  17. FFS will they JUST LEAVE OUR NET ALONE! I think we need to start our own network that is so heavily encrypted that they have no idea how to access it.
  18. Oh noes Chile, Singapour and Vietnam...aka most of humanity. NOT.
  19. avioza

    avioza TS Booster Posts: 102   +45

    Original poster was more accurate, its the love of the money... not the money itself.
  20. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,412   +880

    This will fail just like ACTA or SOPA
  21. PinothyJ

    PinothyJ TS Guru Posts: 451   +21

    You guys do realise that Tasmania is not a country by itself and is A PART of Australia?

    Just saying...

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