Trump says he wants to help ZTE "get back into business"

Trump is learning a hard lesson - the US cannot exist isolated from a global economy.
Every country is just as capable as the next. This notion is what keeps countries in poverty. Every country is capable, but they are not given the opportunity. That is when we can't get passed the thought that we are dependent on another.
 
Trump is learning a hard lesson - the US cannot exist isolated from a global economy.
First of all, you might be preaching to the choir here. Secondly, you have the most wonderfully annoying habit of, being optimistic, and basing all your opinions of other people's motivations, values, and what have you, across the entire spectrum of human ulterior motivations, on your own. Which sadly, I think is very honorable, but hopelessly naive.

(And here you were thinking what annoys me the most about you, was the fact very often, your opinions are polar opposites of mine). I honestly believe if you take a closer look at human nature, at some time in the future our belief systems will meld.

Moving on, the point which I think is most salient about Trump's actions, and everyone has completely missed, is that Trump handed down tariffs on Chinese steel imports.Which in his, and many other people's minds, were destroying the US steel industry. (In reality only putting the final nails in its coffin).

So now, Trump gets to stand up and say how he's saving ZTE, and encouraging business deals which benefit both partners, is the way to move forward..

Is this the right issue to pivot on? Is this the context which most benefits the US? On both points, not really, and not likely.
At least congress, at the time, passed regulations that made it much harder for banks to screw their customers. Regulations, I might add, that the current congress is doing their best to undo.
You're assuming that I hold Trump in high esteem. Stop thinking for me, or at least provide me with the opportunity to challenge that belief which you've convinced yourself is mine.

So, do I think that Trump is anything other than an avaricious, egomaniacal douche bag, with paranoid delusions of godhood, and a touch of dementia stirred in to add to the unpredictability factor? No, not in a million years.

Is Hillary Clinton anything other than a dried up, incompetent hag, coat tailing her husband's enormous popularity by pandering to minorities with the unique purpose of allowing them the social entitlements necessary to enable them to afford, breeding the next generation of Democratic voters? En-Oh, "NO"!

In that context, Trump is the lesser of two evils, nothing more. Besides, he's trying so desperately to get himself impeached, which is enormously entertaining, to say the least.

But let's put that into context. Why doesn't anyone question the motivations of Trump's attackers? Say for instance, "poor Stormy Daniels". There's a woman who has committed every deviant sex act imaginable, at least a several dozen times over, and for a lot less money than she was given to, (ostensibly), shut up, about any involvement with "the Donald".

To that end, she's a thoroughly modern woman, an "instant victim", and a parasite of the lowest order. Her implants are heading south, she's borderline over the hill to be a "porn princess", and any one of a thousand Russian girls, are a whole lot better looking and more fun to watch. So, Trampy Daniels", is going to sue her way to retirement and out of the porn industry, aided and abetted by as many worthless millennial gossip mongers, trying to pass themselves off as "credible reporters", as will. listen to her garbage. Spare me.

In the meantime, all you Trump haters saddle up those magnificent white steeds, and take up the just cause of defending and restoring, "the ladies honor".

You once said that you endure presidents. Perhaps it is time to start looking through the smoke that all of them blow out their a$$es? Though I voted for him, there were quite a few things that Obama did that I thought were not the greatest of decisions.
That's funny. I voted for Obama, because John McCain didn't have much to offer in the way of campaign rhetoric beyond, "I was a POW".

So, my impression of Obama's election was this, white people voted for him from a logical and political standpoint.

The black commuity voted to Obama becau he was black. With pluralities ranging up to the 90th percentile.

Oddly, I think that level of allegiance could be considered "racist". But the mere act of a white person pointing out those documented facts out, would be met with a resolute denial on the part of African Americans, along with the counter accusation of racism on my part, for even mentioning it.

Now, if any of you think that North Korea and China haven't been in bed together since the Russians left, are still in bed together, and will forever be in bed together, I pity the woeful and witless vacuum you live in.

China wants North Korea to keep America busy, while they both carry on their end game.

China wants to loot Taiwan for its riches, while North Korea wants to loot the riches of South Korea to further their little mushroom headed sociopath of a dictator's nuclear ambitions.

Save for now, the end game is moving forward on the political and social fronts. Once Kim jon un gets enough popular support for the reunification of Korea, a movement will be created to , "cast the white devils out". and NK's million man army will seal the deal.

This began on the seemingly "innocent and historic" act of North Korea sending a delagation to the 2018 Olympics. To, "catch more flies with honey than vinegar", NK sent one of its most beautiful women to head up the delegation. And all the South Korean's marveled at her stunning beauty, I'm certain erstwhile thinking, "why she looks exactly like us".
 
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First of all, you might be preaching to the choir here. Secondly, you have the most wonderfully annoying habit of, being optimistic, and basing all your opinions of other people's motivations, values, and what have you, across the entire spectrum of human ulterior motivations, on your own. Which sadly, I think is very honorable, but hopelessly naive.

(And here you were thinking what annoys me the most about you, was the fact very often, your opinions are polar opposites of mine). I honestly believe if you take a closer look at human nature, at some time in the future our belief systems will meld.
Humble apologies!

and

Thanks for the compliment. :)

We often say the same thing from different points of view - at least as I see it. Sounds like you see it that way, too?

Moving on, the point which I think is most salient about Trump's actions, and everyone has completely missed, is that Trump handed down tariffs on Chinese steel imports.Which in his, and many other people's minds, were destroying the US steel industry. (In reality only putting the final nails in its coffin).

So now, Trump gets to stand up and say how he's saving ZTE, and encouraging business deals which benefit both partners, is the way to move forward..
You'll get no argument here!


You're assuming that I hold Trump in high esteem. Stop thinking for me, or at least provide me with the opportunity to challenge that belief which you've convinced yourself is mine.

So, do I think that Trump is anything other than an avaricious, egomaniacal douche bag, with paranoid delusions of godhood, and a touch of dementia stirred in to add to the unpredictability factor? No, not in a million years.

Is Hillary Clinton anything other than a dried up, incompetent hag, coat tailing her husband's enormous popularity by pandering to minorities with the unique purpose of allowing them the social entitlements necessary to enable them to afford, breeding the next generation of Democratic voters? En-Oh, "NO"!

In that context, Trump is the lesser of two evils, nothing more. Besides, he's trying so desperately to get himself impeached, which is enormously entertaining, to say the least.
Honestly, I thought that Hillary was acting in her own best interests and simply wanted to be the first woman US president. From my point of view, she was the lesser of the two evils. But at this point, as you mention, Trump's stumbling toward impeachment is, I'll add, hilariously entertaining. Right now, he's doing a lot of squirming just like Nixon did in his final days. Pretty soon, I expect Trump to echo his words and say, "I am not a crook!"

I do not see that either of us was incorrect for voting for what we thought was best. Not knowing the future, that is all any of us can do in the voting booth when we are constantly presented with candidates that know it all and have all the answers. The god complex as you mention.

But let's put that into context. Why doesn't anyone question the motivations of Trump's attackers? Say for instance, "poor Stormy Daniels". There's a woman who has committed every deviant sex act imaginable, at least a several dozen times over, and for a lot less money than she was given to, (ostensibly), shut up, about any involvement with "the Donald".

To that end, she's a thoroughly modern woman, an "instant victim", and a parasite of the lowest order. Her implants are heading south, she's borderline over the hill to be a "porn princess", and any one of a thousand Russian girls, are a whole lot better looking and more fun to watch. So, Trampy Daniels", is going to sue her way to retirement and out of the porn industry, aided and abetted by as many worthless millennial gossip mongers, trying to pass themselves off as "credible reporters", as will. listen to her garbage. Spare me.

In the meantime, all you Trump haters saddle up those magnificent white steeds, and take up the just cause of defending and restoring, "the ladies honor".
As I see it, no one, other than her, really knows her motivations. Personally, I think one of her motivations is all the money she might make from the "I Screwed Donald Trump" book she wants to write and will probably become a best-seller overnight.

However, I'll fall into that hopelessly naive mode again and say that no one is perfect. Better late than never to come out against what you believe to be unjust or unethical especially when that unjust or unethical sits in the chair of the President of the US. While of unequivocally higher moral standard to begin with, Woodward and Bernstein came out against similarly unethical behavior.

By far, these ladies of honor are not role models that I would want anyone to follow except for the fact that, for this moment in time, they stood on the side of honor. Perhaps, when all is said or done, history will not remember them. History will only remember how Trump stumbled on his ego.

That's funny. I voted for Obama, because John McCain didn't have much to offer in the way of campaign rhetoric beyond, "I was a POW".

So, my impression of Obama's election was this, white people voted for him from a logical and political standpoint.

The black commuity voted to Obama becau he was black. With pluralities ranging up to the 90th percentile.

Oddly, I think that level of allegiance could be considered "racist". But the mere act of a white person pointing out those documented facts out, would be met with a resolute denial on the part of African Americans, along with the counter accusation of racism on my part, for even mentioning it.
Maybe I agree with you but yet from another point of view.

Perhaps the blacks voted for him, being black, because they felt like he would be the least likely to let them down. They voted for their lesser of two evils.

As I see it, some black people act as if they have PTSD, and if I look at it from that standpoint, I would also, possibly, have PTSD from the treatment that blacks have received and still receive in our society. I am tempted to say, "Get over it," however, as we know from those in the military that have PTSD, PTSD is not something that is easy to get over, and, to me, anyway, it is more likely to compound itself in the context of black community.

Personally, I don't envy them, but I do not blame them for standing up against what amounts to hundreds of years of abuse. And it is going to take both sides, white and black, getting over it as I see it.

Now, if any of you think that North Korea and China haven't been in bed together since the Russians left, are still in bed together, and will forever be in bed together, I pity the woeful and witless vacuum you live in.

China wants North Korea to keep America busy, while they both carry on their end game.

China wants to loot Taiwan for its riches, while North Korea wants to loot the riches of South Korea to further their little mushroom headed sociopath of a dictator's nuclear ambitions.

Save for now, the end game is moving forward on the political and social fronts. Once Kim jon un gets enough popular support for the reunification of Korea, a movement will be created to , "cast the white devils out". and NK's million man army will seal the deal.

This began on the seemingly "innocent and historic" act of North Korea sending a delagation to the 2018 Olympics. To, "catch more flies with honey than vinegar", NK sent one of its most beautiful women to head up the delegation. And all the South Korean's marveled at her stunning beauty, I'm certain erstwhile thinking, "why she looks exactly like us".
Well there's the naivete en-masse.

Always a pleasure, Captain!
 
Are you done now ? -_-
Not by a long shot.

Incidentally, I've followed your links from time to time. You know, the ones where you do five minutes worth of research and then tell the poster how, "he owes you" for your effort.

And this from posting a link to a used LGA775 mobo, the quality and viability of which is subject to scrutiny.

Then there is the rather long winded treatise on "how to wipe the top of a CPU with alcohol to clean it" at AnandTech.

At least I think that was at AnandTech. It was so excruciatingly long winded and pedantic, I couldn't finish.
 
Honestly, I thought that Hillary was acting in her own best interests and simply wanted to be the first woman US president. From my point of view, she was the lesser of the two evils.
Point taken. I could claim, "that's pretty much a given, since she's a woman, and a politician". But the truth is, I was pretty smashed when I penned that post, and forgot or overlooked the obvious.

If you want a laugh, when I'm trying to type in a hurry, I sometimes hit a bad keystroke, which open the browser's editing console. Then, I always seem to manage to hit the wrong "X", and close the browser instead of only the console. :D Well, I did that last night, at least a half dozen times. Let me tell you, waiting for 114 tabs to reopen, is not a sport someone as impatient as myself enjoys. :mad::(

But at this point, as you mention, Trump's stumbling toward impeachment is, I'll add, hilariously entertaining. Right now, he's doing a lot of squirming just like Nixon did in his final days. Pretty soon, I expect Trump to echo his words and say, "I am not a crook!"
Ah yes, a return to "the good old days".

I do not see that either of us was incorrect for voting for what we thought was best. Not knowing the future, that is all any of us can do in the voting booth when we are constantly presented with candidates that know it all and have all the answers. The god complex as you mention.
The choices in US elections, at any level, are becoming very similar to the scene in a crime drama, where the bad guy, (or gal, don't want to seem sexist), tells the victim, "you can either jump off the roof of this 14 story building, or I'm going to put a bullet in your skull".

(As to Stormy Daniels), As I see it, no one, other than her, really knows her motivations. Personally, I think one of her motivations is all the money she might make from the "I Screwed Donald Trump" book she wants to write and will probably become a best-seller overnight.
Which differs from my assessment of her, how?

However, I'll fall into that hopelessly naive mode again and say that no one is perfect. Better late than never to come out against what you believe to be unjust or unethical especially when that unjust or unethical sits in the chair of the President of the US. While of unequivocally higher moral standard to begin with, Woodward and Bernstein came out against similarly unethical behavior.

By far, these ladies of honor are not role models that I would want anyone to follow except for the fact that, for this moment in time, they stood on the side of honor. Perhaps, when all is said or done, history will not remember them. History will only remember how Trump stumbled on his ego.

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Maybe I agree with you but yet from another point of view.

Perhaps the blacks voted for him, being black, because they felt like he would be the least likely to let them down. They voted for their lesser of two evils.

As I see it, some black people act as if they have PTSD, and if I look at it from that standpoint, I would also, possibly, have PTSD from the treatment that blacks have received and still receive in our society. I am tempted to say, "Get over it," however, as we know from those in the military that have PTSD, PTSD is not something that is easy to get over, and, to me, anyway, it is more likely to compound itself in the context of black community.

Personally, I don't envy them, but I do not blame them for standing up against what amounts to hundreds of years of abuse. And it is going to take both sides, white and black, getting over it as I see it.


Well there's the naivete en-masse.

Always a pleasure, Captain!
Much more to come. I have some interim issues to deal with.
 
And thats supposed to do what again ? let me get a moderator down here to take care of you.
First you start an argument with a snide remark;
Are you done now ? -_-
then you don't like, or can't handle a truthful, blunt assessment, as an outcome, so your solution is that of a six year old child, whimpering, "I'm telling"?

There have been a major influx of conceits such as yours here at Techspot as of late.

Everybody imagines themselves a "tech", because the think they "build computers". When what you're actually doing, is stuffing a bunch of plug and play components into a box, bragging about how much you spent on parts, and then fancying yourselves, "geniuses".

OK, correction. Your post was at "Tom's Hardware, not Anand Tech, And you were quoted and re-quoted, and yes, it did seem like the painfully obvious went on ad infinitum.

Here's that link: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-3388012/fine-alcohol-clean-cpu-thermal-paste.html

The most comical thing about it, is the fact that so many "tech wizards" had to ring in on a very simple phenomenon of organic chemistry, that ALL alcohols are extremely hygroscopic. (You can look that up).

But in point of fact, it's something I've known, and experienced the effects of, for 4 decades, minimum.

In terms you could possibly understand, all alcohols, have an affinity for moisture. Whether that moisture is in a bottled solution, on a surface, or is present as humidity, the alcohol will bond with it. Thus, even if you were to use 50% alcohol to clean a CPU, once the alcohol evaporates, it will take the H2O with it.

But I thought everybody knew that already.:D

Oh, and here's your classic, "you owe me", for doing a bit of research post:

 
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Which differs from my assessment of her, how?
It doesn't. Unfortunately, though, I cannot call her wrongs justification for those of someone else. I suspect that "someone else" is using his position for his own financial gain which has long been considered unethical. I doubt it is making things better for everyone - and may be his part in his battle to get to the top of the wealth pile part of that systemic problem.

Back to her, though, as we have agreed before, there are systemic problems and, unfortunately, the system is unlikely to change in the near-term future. You and I both know that the sensationalism that her likely book will generate will appeal to the naivete of the masses - and, perhaps, she will win her lottery. I am not saying it is fair. Until a viable alternative to the system is found, it will almost certainly remain the same.
 
Every country is just as capable as the next. This notion is what keeps countries in poverty. Every country is capable, but they are not given the opportunity. That is when we can't get passed the thought that we are dependent on another.
China isolated itself at one point in history, and it is arguable that it did not turn out well for them.
 
...[ ]....Back to her, ("Stormy Daniels"), though, as we have agreed before, there are systemic problems and, unfortunately, the system is unlikely to change in the near-term future. You and I both know that the sensationalism that her likely book will generate will appeal to the naivete of the masses - and, perhaps, she will win her lottery. I am not saying it is fair. Until a viable alternative to the system is found, it will almost certainly remain the same.

When a consenting has porn star sex with someone, (other than President Trump, of course), and then asks for exorbitant amounts of money to keep her (or his) mouth shut afterwards, it's actually, "solicitation with intent to blackmail".

It's a felony under USC Title 18: (Federal Criminal Code)

18 U.S. Code § 873 - Blackmail
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Whoever, under a threat of informing, or as a consideration for not informing, against any violation of any law of the United States, demands or receives any money or other valuable thing, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

I would absolutely call prosecuting Ms. Daniels fo violation af said federal statute, "a viable alternative".

I am sort of disappointed that with all the "sexual harassment" innuendo swirling around these days, that people can't see this issue for what it is, a felony. And it doesn't matter whether Ms. Daniels was paid off, it's still a felony, merely moving the infraction from "attempted blackmail", to blackmail.

When Ms. Daniels refused to honor the NDA attached to this incident, several more felonies should have been added to the charges, "fraud, extortion, and theft by deception", along with the civil issue of ,"breech of contract"

I'm surprised neither the press, nor you, can see this issue for what it is. I suppose it wouldn't be "politically correct" to charge a porn star with a crime these days.

In other news, meet Christine Keeler, who almost singlehandedly brought down the British government, in the "Profumo Affair".
And Ms. Keeler now:

I wasn't able to insert the image. So, get your rose colored glasses on, and follow the upcoming link for a real treat and a big surprise: http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Christine+Keeler+unrecognizable+71+8141JOsRtr6l.jpg

Which calls to mind a line from a song by "Xandria", titled, "Forevermore"

"My flower withers, and so do they all"
"Nothing lasts forevermore"

With that out of the way, I'm going back to pondering on which of these two, Stormy Daniels or Monica Lewinsky I'd rather bang, and I keep coming up with Keira Knightley.
 
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It really depends on who acted first ? Did she go to them demanding money or did the lawyer approach her offering money to keep her quiet ! If it's the latter then I see no blackmail but more of a cover up ! If Trump never signed the NDA is it valid was one of the points she brought up ? What other porn stars did the lawyer also deal with it seems he had quite a large slush fund as reported ! But in the end we will have to wait on Robert Mueller's investigation for someone to be charged ( technically ) and the courts to deal with this as none of us know the full details and should not jump to conclusions !

Perhaps she was not asking for any sum of money from Trump as book sales maybe quite high and just wanted the NDA nullified !
 
It really depends on who acted first ? Did she go to them demanding money or did the lawyer approach her offering money to keep her quiet ! If it's the latter then I see no blackmail but more of a cover up ! If Trump never signed the NDA is it valid was one of the points she brought up ? What other porn stars did the lawyer also deal with it seems he had quite a large slush fund as reported ! But in the end we will have to wait on Robert Mueller's investigation for someone to be charged ( technically ) and the courts to deal with this as none of us know the full details and should not jump to conclusions !

Perhaps she was not asking for any sum of money from Trump as book sales maybe quite high and just wanted the NDA nullified !
Well, first, these threads often go astray, with myself admittedly, as a contributing factor.

You seem to be assuming there are "other porn stars in the woodpile", so to speak.

As far as Trump not signing any NDA, wouldn't you say that's a rather convenient loophole on which to predicate breech of contract? After all, by Trump not signing the agreement, it becomes a "heads I win, tails you lose", the advantage going to "Stormy".

As far as Mr. Mueller goes, don't for a minute his ego doesn't have a massive personal stake in this outcome.

I will say, "what's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander", and it's doubtful if either party is free of wrongdoing.

But all these special investigations really seem to accomplish is leveling charges for perjury.

Since Trump is a very wealthy man, he's capable of "buying" the strumpet of his choosing. Nowadays, it seems that anything of the female gender is not capable of consenting to sex with a man without having been "used", and insist upon everyone in the world hearing about it, and being heavily compensated for it, long post facto.

Actually, with regard to the "special prosecutor", Trump's best move would have have been to say, "yeah, I f***ed her, so what". A situation which could easily remedied with FLOTUS, by buying her a couple of Maseratis, or possibly a brace of new Rolls Royces, while falling on the, "I am but a greatly imperfect man, with tawdry carnal needs, and a complete lack of willpower to prevent me from pursuing them", sword...:D

I mean WTF, if anybody thinks she didn't marry him for his money to begin with, they should probably go back and sit on mom or pop's knee and sue for not being fed the whole sordid range of the "birds and the bees story", at first sitting. And parents,make sure your kidz click the "I agree" box, to make them accountable for adhering to "Life's EULA", or you might get sued too.

More on topic, the saddest part is, the next wave of politicians and their appointees, will likely pursue similar illegal or highly unethical courses of action, only to defy the next, "special prosecutor", to "prove it".
 
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At least one other Former playmate Karen McDougal ! It's not what he says that will be important but what he is stopping her from saying as many will read her book if she ever publishes it !
 
Is this thread about ZTE or ???
For you maybe....:p

Besides, there isn't anything any of us participating in this thread can say or do, which will affect the outcome, whether it be with ZTE, or Trump's strumpets.

A couple of points. Any thread in which Trump has been mentioned or involved, has never stayed exactly on topic, and they often stray wildly.

Any person who attains for themselves in the status of wealth and power as that of Trump, Bezos, Musk, and so forth, is a sociopath, plain and simple.Depending on the focal point of their business or ambition, they will empty your wallet, force you out of your home to build a mall, or send you off to die in a war you know nothing about, all the while making you think it is a good idea.

Money and power are aphrodisiacs. Men are horny. Hell, for that matter, some Catholic priests are horny for little boys.."Stormy Daniels", is an ADULT film star. Now, which issue should be the bigger blip on the radar? Think hard? (Pun intended).

An intelligent young woman who ultimately came to despise me, offered up this next piece of wisdom. It came came out of my 20 year old ex-wife's mouth. "If a woman has sex with you, she wants something in return". And Ms. Daniels is angling for a much bigger payday that she has ever gotten before.....(wait for it)......... for having sex with yet another man.

But I digress. You could yap about the shady doings of Mr Trump, until you pass out from lack of air, and it won't have any effect on that outcome either.

Funnily enough, the Chinese government shot down a deal in which GM, was supposed to sell their "Hummer" division to a Chinese company: https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/25/business/25hummer.html

Boy, you put these two stories together and talking points abound

Now campaign managers are "king (or queen) makers", and special prosecutors attempt to depose those king or queens from their throne.

So now, what is it about the ZTE debacle and business loan issue you want us to return to?
 
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