Trump says Twitter is "stifling free speech" after it labels his tweets with fact-check...

midian182

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Yesterday saw Trump tweet that mail-in ballots would be forged, illegally printed, and signed. A follow-up Tweet claimed that anyone living in the state of California would get a ballot, and professionals would tell them how to vote, and for whom.

Around ten hours after the tweets were posted, Twitter added a link that read: “Get the facts about mail-in ballots.” It takes users to a separate page curated by the site that calls Trump’s claims “unsubstantiated” and false. It also contains several tweets from journalists and publications explaining why his allegations are untrue.

The Hill writes that over the last 20 years, there have been just 143 criminal convictions of fraud using mailed ballots, which is the equivalent of one case per state every six or seven years, or about 0.00006 percent of total votes cast.

Twitter added the label to Trump’s tweets as they violated its new “civic integrity policy,” which prevents users from “manipulating or interfering in elections or other civic processes,” such as posting misleading information that could dissuade people from voting.

Trump hit back at Twitter’s actions a few hours later, accusing it of interfering in the 2020 elections and “stifling free speech,” adding that, as president, he wouldn’t allow to happen.

The incident comes as Trump continues to claim former Republican representative Joe Scarborough killed an aide, Lori Klausutis, in 2001. Police ruled that she died after hitting her head on a desk after passing out due to an undiagnosed heart condition.

Klausutis' husband, Timothy J Klausutis, wrote to Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey asking him to delete Trump’s tweets. “The United States has taken something that does not belong to him - the memory of my dead wife - and perverted it for perceived political gain," he wrote.

Twitter has never been eager to interfere with Trump’s tweeting. Back in 2017, it refused to remove his provocative tweets because they were deemed “newsworthy,” despite previously threatening to ban him if he broke the site’s rules. It was also ruled that he couldn’t block people on the platform as it violated their First Amendment rights.

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silversea

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I congratulate Twitter for doing what is right, no one should have the right to lie, stretch the truth or deceive people in any way shape or form especially for their self-benefit this includes our so called president who is by no means a truthful person to begin with. I think twitter needs to go one further and just ban him completely and in his case this would not be stifling free speech but saving people from his never ending lies.
 

Unilythe

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Technically they only tagged his post. That not preventing free speech since the post is still there.

Preventing ppl to call you out on your BS is preventing free speech.... How ironic
We live in a time where the right to free speech doesn't mean that you shouldn't be arrested for your opinion, but it means no one should be able to disagree with you. But disagreeing with someone is also free speech. In other words, you don't have the right to free speech if you are disagreeing with someone else.
 
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SRB

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The problem is that no one really cares to look into these events seriously. The reason for a lack of convictions is that like a lot of issues, law enforcement feels it's not worth their time and the political pressure it would create. Don't take my word for it....have a look at this article. It details an investigation by a RETIRED SCHOOLTEACHER, not the government. Yes it does happen, and more than you think.

https://thetexan.news/alleged-ballo...-investigation-request-by-secretary-of-state/

The evidence is there, just not the will. And we want to encourage this?
 

gamerk2

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We live in a time where the right to free speech doesn't mean that you shouldn't be arrested for your opinion, but it means no one should be able to disagree with you. But disagreeing with someone is also free speech. In other words, you don't have the right to free speech if you are disagreeing with someone else.
Don't you know? "Free Speech" rights only apply to the speech that you agree with. All other forms of "Free Speech" are really censorship.

Besides, Twitter (and all private entities) aren't covered by the 1st Amendment anyways, making the whole argument moot. Twitter can, frankly, remove any speech it wants to for any reason, if it were so inclined to do so.
 

Unilythe

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Don't you know? "Free Speech" rights only apply to the speech that you agree with. All other forms of "Free Speech" are really censorship.

Besides, Twitter (and all private entities) aren't covered by the 1st Amendment anyways, making the whole argument moot. Twitter can, frankly, remove any speech it wants to for any reason, if it were so inclined to do so.
Right, removing tweets is at most censorship, but private companies would have the full right to censor what's on their own platform.

Would probably be a bad business decision, but they still have the right to.

But they're not even censoring Trump. It's just fact-checking.
 

Nobina

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I actually support this. Politicians and people in official positions should know better than to lie online.
They used to lie on TV now they're doing it on the internet.

Wow, big corporations trying to interfere where they shouldn't, we definitely haven't seen this before.
There's no place where big corps won't intervene. They got money and power, they're pretty much politicians.
 
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tkabou

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Fact-checking an opinion is not fact-checking anything; it's opinion.

Secondly, Twitter isn't exactly objective; they're biased to the core - they target conservatives on a daily basis; same goes for YouTube/Google/FaceBook.

EVERYONE has the right to voice their opinion, whether snowflakes like it or not.

Twitter needs the POTUS on their platform more than the POTUS needs Twitter.
 

OptimumSlinky

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Fact-checking an opinion is not fact-checking anything; it's opinion.

Secondly, Twitter isn't exactly objective; they're biased to the core - they target conservatives on a daily basis; same goes for YouTube/Google/FaceBook.

EVERYONE has the right to voice their opinion, whether snowflakes like it or not.
1. If you say something that objectively has no supporting data, you're making BS up and can be called out for it.

2. Social media platforms target conservatives because conservatives more are more likely to spread objectively false media, conspiracy narratives, and legitimately fake news (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ake-news-junk-news-oxford-study-a8199056.html). Conservatives literally share more fake news then all other political viewpoints COMBINED. So, yeah, if you're constantly sharing stuff that isn't true, you're going to get targeted more for fact-checking and deletion. This isn't an "agenda" it's just counteracting stupidity.

3. Just because you have the right to express your opinion (which is a right you actually don't have on private platforms) doesn't mean that you get to be free of the consequences.
 

Irata

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I congratulate Twitter for doing what is right, no one should have the right to lie, stretch the truth or deceive people in any way shape or form especially for their self-benefit this includes our so called president who is by no means a truthful person to begin with. I think twitter needs to go one further and just ban him completely and in his case this would not be stifling free speech but saving people from his never ending lies.
To be fair, they should apply this to all posters who have public visibility.

Do not disagree on posting fact checking links where needed, but if they do, it should not be one sided.
 
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Lew Zealand

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If someone is claiming something that is substantially not true, and is doing it for the *specific reason* to suppress easier access to voting by people he thinks will vote against him, then attaching a link to evidence which disproves that false claim seems legitimate. If any other politician does the same I expect Twitter to do exactly the same to that person's tweets.
 

amstech

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I still love Trump!
Don't care about the silly things he says and the haters making every little comment into a big deal.
Stick a pacifier in your mouth and put on a fresh diaper.
What Trump stands for is correct, liberty, free market and capitalism, the best three things ever made and why our country is so great, and thats why he won the Presidency and its why he will win it again. And don't give me that 1% crap, you can't legislate the poor/lazy into wealth. If you want something in this country, get off your can and go earn it.
 

Nobina

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What is it with those who take pride in telling others free speech doesn't exist on private platforms, as if they're the only ones that know this? Or they just hate having rights.
 

Lew Zealand

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Their fact checkers are CNN, wapo, and nyt, 3 companies known to spew lies and disinformation. So Twitter's fact check means diddly.
Those 3 all have their axe to grind but that doesn't mean that their evidence is invalid that Trump is completely wrong about his mail-in ballot claims. Other sites are free to cross-check Twitter on this to make sure they got it right. But Twitter is a lot more right about Trump's claims than he is.