Trump threatens tariffs on imported chips and tech goods despite warnings about higher PC, smartphone prices

Like seriously what can possibly be accomplished by this move if it was to be serious? Taiwan says no and the US plummets into a technology dark age while the rest of the world thrives? Taiwan says yes, gets invaded by the CCP and probably is not able to protect their tech in time since as discussed, it would literally take several years to just get a few of the fabs moved over?

Look, we know ridiculous threats actually do work against weakened, subservient economies: Petro from Colombia learn that the hard way over the weekend. But do you they seriously think corporations like Google, Amazon, Microsoft, etc. That absolutely depend on TSMC remaining alive for the time being will be as easy to push over and submit to 25-100% tariffs?
Well TSMC has already built a fab here in the states. Although, I'm pretty sure it isn't responsible for the bulk of their production. (yet).

However, it does lock the US into what I would call either a "tacit", or , "defacto", mutual defense agreement. TSMC is now, (however unstated or unrealistic). an "American company".


They also opened a 20 billion dollar fab in Japan.
 
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Trump has been trying to get TSMC to move production to the US...which they would never do because that would make them strategically worthless and make the US less likely to protect them. It is not the assembly of the perhipheral parts that is valuable but the creation of the semiconductors and microchips themselves that is valuable.
TSMC already has an open and operating fab in Arizona. Try to keep up,
 
You mean Biden trying to get the world back on track after Trump left it with COVID ravaging the country, Businesses closed down, people unemployed, and total civil unrest from people spitting each other at Supermarkets to unruly passengers on airplanes???

I'm actually surprised Biden was able to bring us back to normality after Trump ignored COVID warnings with his "Witch Hunt" conspiracy theories destroying the country with each one of his actions...and now he is ready to do it again thanks to the ignorant voters.

Yeah let's blame Trump for the last 4 years he was not President and for a virus that originated out of China.
 
TSMC is the main focus in the global market of semiconductors and Taiwan is the world's biggest microchip producer.

These are not "China" tariffs. These are everybody tariffs.

Tariffs on microchips will hit the People's Republic of China less, but will hit Republic of China (Taiwan) more.

Trump is tariffing everyone including US allies Canada, Mexico, EU, etc - not just mainland China.

Trump has been trying to get TSMC to move production to the US...which they would never do because that would make them strategically worthless and make the US less likely to protect them. It is not the assembly of the perhipheral parts that is valuable but the creation of the semiconductors and microchips themselves that is valuable.

Trump's current tariff threat against Taiwan will be tariffing a developed first world country and a US ally to pressure it to move their crown jewels to the US.
Trump hasn't even been in office for a month yet, Biden tried to get TSMC to move to the US with the CHIPS act. Harris campaigned on bringing chip manufacturing to the US. This isn't some bipartisan or new idea of trump's.

I also like how it's suddenly bad now that Trump is trying to do it but perfectly fine when Biden was. Are people so delusional that they WANT everything Trump does to be bad so that they can be right. I have no desire for a president I don't like to be a failure.

This whole concept of people wanting their country to fail just so their opinions can be correct is absurd.

You can agree with people you don't like and you can disagree with people you do like.
 
Get used to it. Trump is taking America and the rest of the world back to the Dark Ages. Apperantly the Nazi belief didn't die in 1945.
This Hitler wanna be is gonna destroy freedom and take the rest of the world with it.

Your fear mongering and rhetoric does not work anymore. Trump is your 47th POTUS for the next four years. Instead of being a sore loser and crying like a child do something to make your life better. Focusing on things you cannot control is not good for your mental health.
 
Yes, and where is that extra "tax" going to go that the government collects? Right into the pockets of millionaires and billionaires, just as the Orange Grifter promised.

PS. - You'd have to be extra stupid not to realize what's really going on. Trump is actually taxing the American people while pretending he's sticking it to the big globalist corporations who exported all the jobs to China or *insert your favorite hated country here*. I think it's hilarious.
Well, he SAID it would be used to help pay down the national debt. Whether he does that or not is still up for debate. If he follows through with what he says, good. If he doesn't, bad.

I'm not a Trump supporter or a Biden supporter or a Harris supporter. I have no desire to watch the US burn to justify my own opinion because orange man bad.

I keep trying to discuss policy and all anyone wants to talk about is how everything Trump does is bad because Trump.
 
Your fear mongering and rhetoric does not work anymore. Trump is your 47th POTUS for the next four years. Instead of being a sore loser and crying like a child do something to make your life better. Focusing on things you cannot control is not good for your mental health.
Whether we like it or not, Trump is president for the next 4 years and hoping he runs our country into the ground to justify one's own opinion needs to stop. It's exhausting.
 
Congratulations America. This is what happens when you underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. You elected him, now enjoy the consequences.

"The only way you'll get out of this is to build your plant ... right here in America," he stated.

Hilarious. Yes, build your plant in America where it costs 3-5x more to manufacture anything compared to the rest of the world. America, where uneducated voters with only a high school diploma expect to make $30+/hr for simply pushing a button in a manufacturing plant. America, where Trump voters think the future is in digging coal and oil out of the ground and despise renewable energy.

The irony and hypocrisy in this response is hilarious. Let's call 78 million Americans stupid because you did not get your way. Grow up
 
Well, he SAID it would be used to help pay down the national debt. Whether he does that or not is still up for debate. If he follows through with what he says, good. If he doesn't, bad.

I'm not a Trump supporter or a Biden supporter or a Harris supporter. I have no desire to watch the US burn to justify my own opinion because orange man bad.

I keep trying to discuss policy and all anyone wants to talk about is how everything Trump does is bad because Trump.

Trump increased the National debt bigly under his last term - Do help Average Joe , no for tax breaks for Billionaires.
Savings will be made on oversight and protections , getting rid of Education Dept that funds schools and school lunches in the 15 poorest states ( ie Red States ) . Let's see how those kids do on world scales for RR&R . Fiscal policy under Republicans is a joke. Social welfare is self funding ( Billionaires pay nothing into it as on salary and is capped , so poor pay more as a % )
 
Trump increased the National debt bigly under his last term - Do help Average Joe , no for tax breaks for Billionaires.
Savings will be made on oversight and protections , getting rid of Education Dept that funds schools and school lunches in the 15 poorest states ( ie Red States ) . Let's see how those kids do on world scales for RR&R . Fiscal policy under Republicans is a joke. Social welfare is self funding ( Billionaires pay nothing into it as on salary and is capped , so poor pay more as a % )
So did Bush, Obama and Biden. We have had bipartisan ignorance of the debt for 3 decades now. What's your point?
 
That's a good way to put it. I feel like Techspot is turning into Reddit where toxic liberals are flooding this site
This must mean that you righties are always right and we "libtards are "always wrong". But by any definition of standard, that's pretty self involved and sanctimonious.

The trimpanzee is already on well on his way to running this country into the ground

Pulled out of the Paris climate accords

Pulled us out of the WHO.

Plans to eliminate the US dept of education.

Discontinued FEMA.

Should I go on?
 
Yeah let's blame Trump for the last 4 years he was not President and for a virus that originated out of China.
We can blame both Biden and Trump for the giant 5+ trillion covid stimulus, near zero interest rates, high deficits unrelated to covid, and easy money QE policies that caused inflation to spike.
 
2 things
Rest of Work will say F America, Dislike of USA will again climb
Bet tourism will be down
People will feel great ripping off USA biggest exports - media and IP
USA was built on IP theft from early days - own reason for war of independence. Grifters in debt started that war

Second I have posted it a few times before - Global trade benefits everyone
It's also more efficient and produces a bigger cake for most - tired of explaining you can look it up

USA wants winners and losers. There will be losers in USA - the middle class will shrink , health care will get worse . Corporates will ramp up exploitation to get more of what could easier be a bigger pie
Easy to make fun of people fighting over a buffet . Well you are the buffet:)

How is making developing countries worse, add in climate refugees
If you are from those deep red states that need federal money and shocking bad education levels - you do the maths - how you think more desperate people in the world will make your life happier and safer ? USA is already insular and very afraid - you are told you are safe , the world is dangerous place - like those movies where people are controlled and locked up

The only winners are those grifting at the top ( however they need 24 hour security ) and those who take glee in others misfortune

Leopards are going to be eating a lot of faces. But why me , why me , you were meant to destroy those yucky peoples lives , not mine . I didn't think you would take my workers, reduce my benefits

Hows those cheap eggs now ?

What does America first even mean - if you lose so much and really have no understanding except if feels so warm and fuzzy - It's just a phrase to control you. We are seeing specifics
 
Trump hasn't even been in office for a month yet, Biden tried to get TSMC to move to the US with the CHIPS act. Harris campaigned on bringing chip manufacturing to the US. This isn't some bipartisan or new idea of trump's.

I also like how it's suddenly bad now that Trump is trying to do it but perfectly fine when Biden was. Are people so delusional that they WANT everything Trump does to be bad so that they can be right. I have no desire for a president I don't like to be a failure.

This whole concept of people wanting their country to fail just so their opinions can be correct is absurd.

You can agree with people you don't like and you can disagree with people you do like.
You claimed these are China tariffs. That is false. These are not China tariffs as they are targeted at Taiwan's semiconductor industry.

I didnt like many Biden policies and didnt like Biden tariffs either, so you can drop that left vs right line of thinking right there.

Tariffs are a tax on the consumer and are generally bad regardless of whether it comes from Biden or Trump.

My main issue here is we were promised tariffs against mainland China, our geopolitical rival...yet all I am seeing is tariffs against our own allies like Taiwan. As you said earlier, (mainland) China is not Taiwan.

These tariffs dont make sense in the grander scheme of tariff wars even if you support tarriffs.
 
You claimed these are China tariffs. That is false. These are not China tariffs as they are targeted at Taiwan's semiconductor industry.

I didnt like many Biden policies and didnt like Biden tariffs either, so you can drop that left vs right line of thinking right there.

Tariffs are a tax on the consumer and are generally bad regardless of whether it comes from Biden or Trump.

My main issue here is we were promised tariffs against mainland China, our geopolitical rival...yet all I am seeing is tariffs against our own allies like Taiwan. As you said earlier, (mainland) China is not Taiwan.

These tariffs dont make sense in the grander scheme of tariff wars even if you support tarriffs.
you are misinterpreting what I'm saying. This isn't a tax on the TSMC chips as they go to a third party to be assembled and then the assembled product is taxed when entering into the US. The country it is assembled in as a final product is what they consider the country of origin and, thus, the tax rate of the Tariff. TSMC makes the chips, they aren't making fully assebled 5090's. Very little of what TSMC makes is going to be taxed directly with Tiawan as the country of origin.

And one reason that I support the Tariffs is that if these things were made in humane working conditions they would actually cost A LOT MORE than the tax added by the Tariffs. Trump isn't doing this as some humanitarian thing, but people need to stop seeing things so black and white. You don't care that something is being made with child slave labor so long as it is cheap.
 
Plans to eliminate the US dept of education.
So I work with apprentices in my union. The amount of people who we have to force to "unlearn" common core math so they can do basic functions like read a measuring tape or understand fractions is absurd. Whatever the DoE is doing is bad. At the very least, someone needs to take a serious look at it. It's like people with useless college degrees made a program based on what people need to learn in the work place without actually consulting people who work in said places. I'm in the finsihers union (local 526), but all the union halls are having this problem. None of the people coming out of highschool have any concept of how tools work or how to read numbers properly. This isn't a Biden problem, they first started documenting this problem about 7 years ago as most unions decided to extend their apprenticeship programs from 3 years to 4 years. The first year is basically just a "re-education class" for math used on job sites and how to use tools. "unlearning" the common core math from kids is really hard. they start talking about squares and using 7's and I'm just sitting there, it's ****ing 3X5, it's 15. stop trying to do your common core BS.
 
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This must mean that you righties are always right and we "libtards are "always wrong". But by any definition of standard, that's pretty self involved and sanctimonious.

The trimpanzee is already on well on his way to running this country into the ground

Pulled out of the Paris climate accords

Pulled us out of the WHO.

Plans to eliminate the US dept of education.

Discontinued FEMA.

Should I go on?
Brain rot runs deep in America, your efforts are futile.
 
Yeah let's blame Trump for the last 4 years he was not President and for a virus that originated out of China.
Of course we have to blame Trump, after all he is the one that ignored the virus when he could have taken the right precautions about it instead of calling it a "Democrats hoax" and wasting precious time in saving people's lives.

But it's so easy to forget the facts on how everything started when it's convenient for Trump supporters.
 
This must mean that you righties are always right and we "libtards are "always wrong". But by any definition of standard, that's pretty self involved and sanctimonious.

The trimpanzee is already on well on his way to running this country into the ground

Pulled out of the Paris climate accords

Pulled us out of the WHO.

Plans to eliminate the US dept of education.

Discontinued FEMA.

Should I go on?

It is pointless arguing with liberals. The fact is Donald Trump is the POTUS for the next 4 years and the democrats lost in landslide fashion because you put America last. The left will continue to lose every election until you collectively stop being radical and delusional
 
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Of course we have to blame Trump, after all he is the one that ignored the virus when he could have taken the right precautions about it instead of calling it a "Democrats hoax" and wasting precious time in saving people's lives.

But it's so easy to forget the facts on how everything started when it's convenient for Trump supporters.

But who was the president from 2020 to 2024? Just accept accountability that you voted for perhaps the worst president in modern history. Stop whining like a child and blaming people for issues you have no control over. This is exactly why you lost the election because the left as a whole lack accountability.
 
Second, I would argue that the Biden/Harris administration actually ran the country into the ground hence why 78 million people voted Trump into the office. This include democrats who voted for him. You are either delusional or just politically ignorant
Now do you see what I mean by "self aggrandizing", "condescending", "sanctimonius", and just plain knowing it all?

I think the Dems did put too much emphasis on the "gay rights". I mean, why campaign to 2% of the population? Still homosexuals have been pervasive on Broadway for about the last 100 years, being "fabulous as gaily possible" as their sexual orientation dictates, Yet it was never talked about, the tickets still sold like hotcakes. And everybody had a good time. What they did in their private lives was their business. Hell, I'm still back in "don't ask, don't tell, era".

I also think that "Billy Bob" or "Johnny Jim" wouldn't vote for a (partly) black woman, if she stopped by and sat on their faces. "We're not cutting defense spending"...Guess what neither would she have done that

So, you should have your $2.00 eggs, and $2.00 a gallon gas by now. Why not shut up and languish in your "victory"? All the while knowing that your tax dollars will be put to good use.......making Elon Musk richer.(y) (Y)

It shouldn't matter that eggs are more now than when trimp took office. I mean Biden was solely responsible for inflation, right? Now, you're singing a different song, "well there's nothing a president can do about it". We told you so, and you chose to believe the lies anyway.

And talk about "lack of accountability", trimp is trying to rewrite history with respect to January 6th. "That noose really wasn't for Mike Pence", that was a "love fest".

The only problem is, now with tariffs looming, all the little gamer boys are biting their nails, whimpering and wondering, as to whether or not they'll be able to afford their, "grand dream, killing machine".
 
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This is by far the worst of his bluff though: What's the plan here? People *must* have told him it is not just fiscally but physically impossible to rebuild all TSMC fabs in the US within a timeframe that wouldn't crash the economy, like the laws of physics do not care about a tariff war.

You must not be watching. The people that Trump talks to and listens too do nothing but echo his words back to him and tell him how great he is. He doesn't listen to economist or scholars, Trump thinks he is smarter than all of them combined. This is why he will implode the US and likely the world's economy before his term is up.
 
Cheaper electricity and more expensive tech if it's made overseas... Well, Intel is definitely in a position to use this oppertunity.
If they have to stop their fabs when this rolls out they're doing something wrong.
 
This isn't a Biden problem, they first started documenting this problem about 7 years ago as most unions decided to extend their apprenticeship programs from 3 years to 4 years. The first year is basically just a "re-education class" for math used on job sites and how to use tools. "unlearning" the common core math from kids is really hard. they start talking about squares and using 7's and I'm just sitting there, it's ****ing 3X5, it's 15. stop trying to do your common core BS.
I'm going to take this at face value. I know how do all of what you're talking. However, most of it is self taught. So, square, cubic volume, the inverse square law, are all within my grasp. I ca even use a tape measure, a micrometer, and a square, but only in "dire emergencies". I tend to forget algebra as soon as I walk out of the classroom. But then again 9 + x =12, doesn't have to be solved algebraically. (no head scratching involved).

Keep in mind, I went to school way back when the "school bus", was a brontosaur painted yellow. The boys got sent off to wood or auto shop, and the girls learned to type.

I do think that if the problems you're encountering are caused by the DOE, then it would be better to restructure it, than eliminate it entirely.
 
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