fps4ever
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Tesla=win
SpaceX=win
Twitter=? (50/50)
He is one of the richest people on the planet and will be just fine regardless. He doesn't care what you or I think so watch all you want with meaningless joy.
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Tesla=win
SpaceX=win
Twitter=? (50/50)
He is one of the richest people on the planet and will be just fine regardless. He doesn't care what you or I think so watch all you want with meaningless joy.
I'll be fine whether Twitter succeeds or not. I'll also be fine whether Musk is the richest man or not. Musk will also be be fine without needing his stans to defend him, he has an army of lawyers for that.
In the mean time. Enjoy the sh!tshow.
fps4ever
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Your words keep reminding me you that actually hate the man...MDS
Thanks for letting us know you'll be fine even though no one asked. I'll be fine also.
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Sure if that's what you want to believe. keep white knighting Musk
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,511
You have to look at Twitter from a normal person's point of view.
NOBODY I know or Associate with uses, or wanted to be part of Twitter, because it was filled with overbearing and shouting down fascists children. Who relied on group think and had no morals, no parents, no filter and nobody to confront them... they ended up all alone in an echo-chamber convincing themselves their ideas are(were) a super-collective mindset. (LOL)
Elon broke up the Social club asking the entitled people to come to work, and also be prepared in this time of transition to work hard... These fragile types couldn't, because they were broken and no longer wanted to work at Twitter, because the big bad wolf farted on their entitlement party...
$8/month means that REAL PEOPLE can look past all the noise (high school banter) and have meaningful conversation with Other's who are paying customers. All the drivle and background filth and hatred can fade away...
Bluescreendeath
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You need to look at it from the view of the capitalist free market.
Musk recently cut benefits for Twitter employees, laid off half the staff, and is demanding people who remain work more.
Computer programming jobs are in demand and coders can get a job anywhere.
Why would anyone with at least half a brain work at a company that makes them work more for less in return, when they can easily jump ship to a different company that provides better conditions?
You would have to be brainless to not jump ship in that situation.
If I had a very valuable and sought after skill and I could get a job working 50 hour a week for $100,000 with mediocre benefits, but another job offers me $100,000 for 40 hours of work with better benefits in the exact same conditions, I would have to be brainless to take the 50 hour job.
This is the benefits of a capitalist society with free market competition - you can choose to work for whoever based on market supply and demand. Luckily, we are not in a full blown state socialist nation where the state assigns you a job and where you're expected to remain there for decades.
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AlaskaGuy
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PEnnn
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Nobody ever admitted publicly to voting for Trump. And yet, they did and they're here busy defending him and claiming they don't care for him.....LMAO!!
brucek
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The exact wording of the 24-hour notice ultimatum included "extremely hardcore", "working long hours at high intensity" and "only exceptional performance will constitute a passing grade".
No one has who has had a meaningful engineering career in Silicon Valley could possibly interpret that to mean anything less than 70-100 hour work weeks. If Elon meant something different, it would have been on him to better clarify. But he didn't mean something different.
This debacle has been widely covered in both traditional and social media, and not a single report I've seen has included your made up (for Elon's Twitter 2.0) "built in compensation in case longer hours are required at times."
It's not the media and left who is twisting, it is you. The quotes are there in black and white.
The official published results are not yet available, and perhaps as a private company Twitter will not ever have to disclose, but there are unverified employee reports along the lines of 72 out of 75 engineers in one group giving this ultimatum the finger it deserves.
My umbrage to this debacle has nothing to do with left vs right politics (which in my case run towards free markets, free people), but to prevailing standards for how good high-growth, high-quality companies manage good engineers. This is the industry and town I've worked in for three decades, at every level from junior engineer to CTO, and this is not how it's done. That's why its front page news.
Yes the company I retired from had that policy. I never wanted to be a boss, when you made foreman it was salaried and they told you were expected to work 60 hrs a week but they made up for it with a better retirement package. A lot of times I made more money with overtime than my boss!
ExxonMobil expects their salaried people to work 60 hrs a week, that is a fact jack!!
fps4ever
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The quotes are there and yet in the same post you claim nothing is confirmed. Get back to me with facts and not left media bias articles when we know exactly who is required to work long hours and for how long. It is not uncommon for software engineers to work long hours at crunch time as I'm sure you are well aware. As far as that is not how its done drastic times for a company call for drastic measures. You may not like how its done but don't be naïve enough to think he can't get more engineers. Musk knows how to hire good engineers. Everyone acts like this is how its going to be long term and that simply will not be the case. They'll either turn it around or it will go under. Either way plenty of fast food jobs out there.
brucek
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Are you trying to be obtuse? The quotes are wide spread from multiple sources and have not been disputed. There have been no reports of this having been targeted to only select employees, nor to having an end date. How about you get back to me with any conflicting facts?
The single item I was referring to as unconfirmed is the 72 out of 75 engineers (who had just survived a 50% layoff, meaning probably few to none of them deadweight) in one group taking the 3 month severance offer in lieu of signing the ultimatum.
Occasional crunch times in response to specific circumstances are common. They rarely require a 24-hour notice ultimatum, and they go over a lot better when the team can understand they are in reaction to a legitimate external need, they are important to build value for the company including the team's equity position which the company is happy to award and honor, and are not the result of mismanagement or a CEO's ego or cheapness or just being a jerk.
And as someone who has at times struggled to hire all the qualified engineers needed, even while not asking for underpaid extreme work conditions, nor facing a plummeting market valuation, nor unable to articulate the vision and business plan of the company, I know first hand that qualified engineers do not grow on trees and that strong offers are routinely rejected in favor of even stronger offers elsewhere. Another poster here said something like there are hundreds of people who want each of these jobs. That may be true but there's a huge difference between a person who wants a job, and a qualified person who can do the job well who wants the job.
While axiomatically true, that's a pretty chill way to talk about a $44 Billion company and thousands of jobs. I'd have had a lot more respect for an approach that came across as less reckless, and did not result in serious questions of the company's continued prospects within weeks of the acquisition.
Apparently they have 206 million daily users, ‘nobody I know or associate with’ - so what?
Not really, he changed the terms of their employment on the fly. The article is about how many of them decided to take the severance offered. Skilled programmers are in short supply, they won’t have any issues finding employment elsewhere on favourable terms. It’s what I’d do.
Twitters entire USP was that ‘verified’ carried some weight; I could be reasonably certain that the person tweeting was *that* person. Now it just means ‘I have $8’, which kills the USP dead. As my previous link highlighted, ‘verified’ is now right-wingers, crypto-bros and porn (‘drivle’ [sic], ‘background filth’ and ‘hatred’, to quote your good self).
fps4ever
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Are you kidding. The left is screaming and hoping the company goes under. Are you being obtuse or have you not read the entire thread? Calling me out is rich considering if you read my previous post of me calling out someone who'd rather see Musk fail than worry about those thousands of jobs. You have one thing right, I have no sympathy for those that chose to quit than put extra effort in. Including the 72 engineers you say possibly quit. Especially with the economy the way it is a lot of companies have put hiring freezes on. Get off that high horse.
The reaction has mostly been:
-"that's a bad way to run a business"
-"this is not gonna turn out well for Musk"
-"making people work 70hrs+ for same pay is bad"
-"the people who quit shouldn't have trouble finding new work"
yes, the woke left mob are screaming and hoping the company go under.
you don't seem to response well to criticism. everything is fire and pitch fork in your mind.
fps4ever
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Lol thats rich coming from somone looking forward to the fire and brimstone. I see more Musk hate then pointing out issues. Yours are mostly not understanding how business works in reality.
like I said. I dont' wish ill on Musk, but if he shoots himself in the foot because of his actions then I will enjoy the schadenfreude. Not my fault you don't understand the difference between that and hate.
fps4ever
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m3tavision
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Your mistake is in believing that those fired employees provided value to the company... and aren't just dead weight.
The people who code and run the company are not going anywhere. Elon is firing all the woke people who believe they don't have to show up for work 3 days a week and told the Owner they are entitled to a CEO casual life style.
So tell us, why would anyone work at any job, when they can leave and work elsewhere...? Why are those type of people, crying...?
So go find that $100k job working less hours...
m3tavision
Posts: 1,733 +1,511
Most of the people being let go do not have job skills, they were moderators and SJW who spent their time censoring people.
The Coders are the ones sitting down with Elon in interviews, telling him to get rid of the "hall monitors" and SJW who provide nothing of value to the company... & get more data entry & coders.
$8/month means you have a REAL human being running that account. Not a bot, bot farm or some kids, with multiple accounts using fascist tactics and barraging people with their communist ideology.
Nobody is going to pay $8/month to get a verified account to spread hatred... that is what they were doing with their free bot accounts. You are not thinking like a normal person (consumer), but more so like an angry SJW that doesn't like the Idea that normal People can now freely express their ideas, instead of having fragile people's ego protected by moderators.
Elon offered a test.... and the fragile people failed!
GREAT NEWS!
tRUMP was reinstated today! I can't think of anything better for my side.
tRUMP was reinstated today! I can't think of anything better for my side.
captaincranky
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No, I think they all quit, because Musk was asking them to do the jobs of the 50% of employees he just fired, and their own job on top of that. Those that quit, responded with with a big, loud, resounding, f**k you .
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bandit8623
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you boss asks you to come to work by 2pm.. and you cant do it? bye bye. sound like snowflakes to me.
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