Upcoming EV battery promises 250 miles of range in 10 minutes

[Shawn Knight]

Forward-looking: EV battery supplier CATL has introduced what it claims is the world's first 4C superfast charging LFP battery. According to the company, its Shenxing battery can deliver 400 kilometers – or nearly 250 miles – of range with a 10-minute charge. On a full charge, the battery is rated for over 700 kilometers (435 miles) of range.

CATL said it developed an all-new superconducting electrolyte formula that effectively reduces the viscosity of the electrolyte, which in turn boosts conductivity. The battery maker also improved the system's ultra-thin SEI (solid electrolyte interphase) to further improve the transmission rate of lithium ions.

The supplier said the new battery would enter mass production by the end of the year, and that vehicles equipped with Shenxing should start hitting the market in early 2024. CATL didn't say which automakers would be utilizing the new tech but as the largest EV battery supplier in the world, you can bet that some big players will be on board.

CATL (Contemporary Amperex Technology Limited) was founded in China in 2011 as a spinoff of Amperex Technology Limited (ATL). By 2016, the company was already the world's third largest EV battery supplier. The following year, CATL managed to capture the top spot.

CATL has forged partnerships with leading electric car makers over the years including Tesla, Toyota, Honda, BMW, and Volkswagen, just to name a few.

Electric vehicle sales have surged in recent years. According to the International Energy Agency (IEA), global electric vehicle sales reached just three million units in 2020 but more than doubled the following year. In 2022, a record 10.3 million EVs were sold worldwide and by the end of this year, the IEA expects EV sales to total nearly 14 million.

Range anxiety has been a major concern among prospective EV buyers, but the issue has been getting better as of late. Earlier this month, Cadillac announced that its all-electric Escalade EV will have a range of 450 miles and will be able to quick charge 100 miles of range in 10 minutes.

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[wiyosaya]

CATL said it developed an all-new superconducting electrolyte formula that effectively reduces the viscosity of the electrolyte, which in turn boosts conductivity.

I do not think that "superconducting" is the proper word here and if CATL did use the word, they are attempting to prey on the less-knowledgeable for marketing purposes.

Assuming this actually makes it to market, and it lives up to their hype, it would be a step in the right direction, IMO.

 

[Trapped Nowhere]

I've never seen a techspot battery article where the date was that near. This can't be right

 

[Dimitriid]

Even if the power quickly charges it has to come from somewhere and I'm not sure we'd want that: I think the battery on that car might be enough to power an entire small house for a day so think about how much power you use and then think about cramming it inside a 10 minutes window.

Or if you want to view it from another angle, this is close to effectively 24 times as much power as a small house so to charge a single car, you'd need as much power as 2 or 3 transformers for said 5-10 houses (Since on average they're gonna be using more power than a small house anyway) just to handle the power?

Now think about the last time you went to a gas station that had only one pump, you'll probably need anywhere from 4 to 8 'pumps' meaning each fast charging station needs to have enough capacity to service as much as a full city block probably.

Fast charging to this degree isn't like getting a huge fast charger for your phone there simply is not enough infrastructure and capacity to cope with such demand. But since we've trained people to 1) Always use their cars and never use public transport (That can easily run on much lower, constant wattage since it has cables instead of batteries) 2) Have pretty much near universal access to refuel meaning they never need to plan in advance it's going to be a sad reality that most users will find themselves either stranded or most cities will experience near constant rolling blackouts just trying to cope with such a ridiculous simultaneous load so people can charge for 250 miles in 10 minutes instead of say, charging overnight at home at a reasonable rate.

 

[redgarl]

Chinese EV batteries...

>XD

 

[redgarl]

The only real new milestone for batteries will be Solid State Batteries.

Until then, I am not interested in EV. They can be dangerous if the automaker is doing a poor quality job. Not to mention that your insurance will go to the roof because a simple accident can require you to change the battery. Insurers don't trust battery repairs, which is ridiculous, so the replacement is often your only option.

 

[wiyosaya]

Even if the power quickly charges it has to come from somewhere and I'm not sure we'd want that: I think the battery on that car might be enough to power an entire small house for a day so think about how much power you use and then think about cramming it inside a 10 minutes window.

Or if you want to view it from another angle, this is close to effectively 24 times as much power as a small house so to charge a single car, you'd need as much power as 2 or 3 transformers for said 5-10 houses (Since on average they're gonna be using more power than a small house anyway) just to handle the power?

Now think about the last time you went to a gas station that had only one pump, you'll probably need anywhere from 4 to 8 'pumps' meaning each fast charging station needs to have enough capacity to service as much as a full city block probably.

Fast charging to this degree isn't like getting a huge fast charger for your phone there simply is not enough infrastructure and capacity to cope with such demand. But since we've trained people to 1) Always use their cars and never use public transport (That can easily run on much lower, constant wattage since it has cables instead of batteries) 2) Have pretty much near universal access to refuel meaning they never need to plan in advance it's going to be a sad reality that most users will find themselves either stranded or most cities will experience near constant rolling blackouts just trying to cope with such a ridiculous simultaneous load so people can charge for 250 miles in 10 minutes instead of say, charging overnight at home at a reasonable rate.

These are issues that many are aware of.

 

[wiyosaya]

Chinese EV batteries...

>XD

You can bet that any automobile manufacturer that is worth buying a vehicle from will vet these batteries in their own tests before they put them into production vehicles.

 

[redgarl]

You can bet that any automobile manufacturer that is worth buying a vehicle from will vet these batteries in their own tests before they put them into production vehicles.

BYD...

Google it...

 

[McGixxer]

Even if the power quickly charges it has to come from somewhere and I'm not sure we'd want that: I think the battery on that car might be enough to power an entire small house for a day so think about how much power you use and then think about cramming it inside a 10 minutes window.

Or if you want to view it from another angle, this is close to effectively 24 times as much power as a small house so to charge a single car, you'd need as much power as 2 or 3 transformers for said 5-10 houses (Since on average they're gonna be using more power than a small house anyway) just to handle the power?

Now think about the last time you went to a gas station that had only one pump, you'll probably need anywhere from 4 to 8 'pumps' meaning each fast charging station needs to have enough capacity to service as much as a full city block probably.

Fast charging to this degree isn't like getting a huge fast charger for your phone there simply is not enough infrastructure and capacity to cope with such demand. But since we've trained people to 1) Always use their cars and never use public transport (That can easily run on much lower, constant wattage since it has cables instead of batteries) 2) Have pretty much near universal access to refuel meaning they never need to plan in advance it's going to be a sad reality that most users will find themselves either stranded or most cities will experience near constant rolling blackouts just trying to cope with such a ridiculous simultaneous load so people can charge for 250 miles in 10 minutes instead of say, charging overnight at home at a reasonable rate.

LOL Wut? 24 times the power of a house?

 

[Theinsanegamer]

Even if the power quickly charges it has to come from somewhere and I'm not sure we'd want that: I think the battery on that car might be enough to power an entire small house for a day so think about how much power you use and then think about cramming it inside a 10 minutes window.

Or if you want to view it from another angle, this is close to effectively 24 times as much power as a small house so to charge a single car, you'd need as much power as 2 or 3 transformers for said 5-10 houses (Since on average they're gonna be using more power than a small house anyway) just to handle the power?

Now think about the last time you went to a gas station that had only one pump, you'll probably need anywhere from 4 to 8 'pumps' meaning each fast charging station needs to have enough capacity to service as much as a full city block probably.

Fast charging to this degree isn't like getting a huge fast charger for your phone there simply is not enough infrastructure and capacity to cope with such demand. But since we've trained people to 1) Always use their cars and never use public transport (That can easily run on much lower, constant wattage since it has cables instead of batteries) 2) Have pretty much near universal access to refuel meaning they never need to plan in advance it's going to be a sad reality that most users will find themselves either stranded or most cities will experience near constant rolling blackouts just trying to cope with such a ridiculous simultaneous load so people can charge for 250 miles in 10 minutes instead of say, charging overnight at home at a reasonable rate.

First: many of us have been calling out the infrastructure issue for years now. It's not a new problem, and the biggest argument against 2035 EV mandates is that the grid is not ready, and will take 30-40 years to fully upgrade.

Second: these types of chargers wont be in peoples homes, they'll be at public charging stations where we dont want to wait 4+ hours.

 

[passwordistaco]

Another week, another new battery tech claim.

 

[Dimitriid]

First: many of us have been calling out the infrastructure issue for years now. It's not a new problem, and the biggest argument against 2035 EV mandates is that the grid is not ready, and will take 30-40 years to fully upgrade.

Second: these types of chargers wont be in peoples homes, they'll be at public charging stations where we dont want to wait 4+ hours.

I know that they've been pointed out for years and that they're not designed for home usage, but the fact that this is regarding a substantially faster charging makes a big difference: the sustained load to quickly charge so much power in such a short window of time requires additional infrastructure plans on top of considering most cars going electric since quick charging requires a lot more power transformers and prepared stations and substations to handle the crazy high loads over a short period of time.

This is why you have fuse boxes on your home and most of your devices have trip protection included but imagine that it's not just tripping a huge current for a tiny moment but having to deal with it for a full 10 minutes per car x 4-8 cars per station then that times however big your city is.

 

[toooooot]

A long warranty is as important. I d say 15 years should be a gold standard.
Batterly life is interesting compared to a gas engine. Gas engine can be worn out if driven more often. But a battery would probably degrade just because of the chemistry going inside.

 

[toooooot]

Even if the power quickly charges it has to come from somewhere and I'm not sure we'd want that: I think the battery on that car might be enough to power an entire small house for a day so think about how much power you use and then think about cramming it inside a 10 minutes window.

Or if you want to view it from another angle, this is close to effectively 24 times as much power as a small house so to charge a single car, you'd need as much power as 2 or 3 transformers for said 5-10 houses (Since on average they're gonna be using more power than a small house anyway) just to handle the power?

Now think about the last time you went to a gas station that had only one pump, you'll probably need anywhere from 4 to 8 'pumps' meaning each fast charging station needs to have enough capacity to service as much as a full city block probably.

Fast charging to this degree isn't like getting a huge fast charger for your phone there simply is not enough infrastructure and capacity to cope with such demand. But since we've trained people to 1) Always use their cars and never use public transport (That can easily run on much lower, constant wattage since it has cables instead of batteries) 2) Have pretty much near universal access to refuel meaning they never need to plan in advance it's going to be a sad reality that most users will find themselves either stranded or most cities will experience near constant rolling blackouts just trying to cope with such a ridiculous simultaneous load so people can charge for 250 miles in 10 minutes instead of say, charging overnight at home at a reasonable rate.

I would very much like to see a simulation of a modern city that only allows EVs charging all at once at that hour when everyone does it.
Idk, maybe they have done it already?
I mean, some people assume the change will happen slowly and we will have time to upgrade our electric grid (with what though?).
A lot of people sucking electricity power very fast all at the same time, what would happen.
I fear a lot of people who are rooting for green energy don't know.

 

[kiwigraeme]

Another week, another new battery tech claim.

This is not one of those - they are claiming hitting the road in actual end use cars 2024 - might be complete BS - this article lacks in depth analysis ( fire risk etc )- but we don't have long to wait

There must be a std check list for batteries - you could post on one of those new fancy graphs - like those octopus ones
Personably I'm confident in 10 years - the landscape will be much rosier for EVs

as for batteries - do vehicles now have dual types of batteries ? - one fast charge , high work rate , one slower and stamina king - so many solutions - I'm sure someone has patented this - but free money for someone here if not - with a generic black box controller in middle with AI to boot to

 

[Vanderlinde]

Even if the power quickly charges it has to come from somewhere and I'm not sure we'd want that: I think the battery on that car might be enough to power an entire small house for a day so think about how much power you use and then think about cramming it inside a 10 minutes window.

Or if you want to view it from another angle, this is close to effectively 24 times as much power as a small house so to charge a single car, you'd need as much power as 2 or 3 transformers for said 5-10 houses (Since on average they're gonna be using more power than a small house anyway) just to handle the power?

Now think about the last time you went to a gas station that had only one pump, you'll probably need anywhere from 4 to 8 'pumps' meaning each fast charging station needs to have enough capacity to service as much as a full city block probably.

Fast charging to this degree isn't like getting a huge fast charger for your phone there simply is not enough infrastructure and capacity to cope with such demand. But since we've trained people to 1) Always use their cars and never use public transport (That can easily run on much lower, constant wattage since it has cables instead of batteries) 2) Have pretty much near universal access to refuel meaning they never need to plan in advance it's going to be a sad reality that most users will find themselves either stranded or most cities will experience near constant rolling blackouts just trying to cope with such a ridiculous simultaneous load so people can charge for 250 miles in 10 minutes instead of say, charging overnight at home at a reasonable rate.

There's tech and advancements made in that regard. You now have battery storage to actually "fast charge" such EV's. They can charge half way during the day and such and not overloading the electra network.

I'm more worried about the obvious fire that can emerge out of EV's - but since everyone seems to ignore it and push the agenda... I guess it will take a bunch of lives first.

 

[kiwigraeme]

There's tech and advancements made in that regard. You now have battery storage to actually "fast charge" such EV's. They can charge half way during the day and such and not overloading the electra network.

I'm more worried about the obvious fire that can emerge out of EV's - but since everyone seems to ignore it and push the agenda... I guess it will take a bunch of lives first.

Ice cars catch fire more often - though EV fires can be very intense

Fire risk higher in ICE cars

New figures reveal electric cars are less likely to end up ablaze than those powered by fossil fuels.

autofile.co.nz

Note EV fires will tend down as new safety and tech emerges - ICE cars had 100 plus years to get safer .
Yes peoples homes have burnt down charging cars or storing petrol - ships with EVs burnt up - but gas tankers blowing up , gas stations blowing up , oil carriers leaking into ocean
Overall not the big bad boogey man - But need to improve

Anyway comments about 10 minute fast charge - talking about charging at home - is weird - This would be for specialised commercial facilities - as cost to a home would be expensive I imagine - Electrician , extra wiring , charge unit , safety features .
You would want a dedicated isolated line from power box - first class wiring , and safety protections

 

[gamerk2]

There's tech and advancements made in that regard. You now have battery storage to actually "fast charge" such EV's. They can charge half way during the day and such and not overloading the electra network.

I'm more worried about the obvious fire that can emerge out of EV's - but since everyone seems to ignore it and push the agenda... I guess it will take a bunch of lives first.

EV fires can be nasty since you can't use water on them, so local fire departments need to bring the right equipment. On aggregate though, EVs aren't a significantly higher fire risk then ICE vehicles. After all, lets not pretend Gasoline isn't a highly flammable liquid in its own right.

 

[gamerk2]

I would very much like to see a simulation of a modern city that only allows EVs charging all at once at that hour when everyone does it.

The grid would collapse due to overdemand. Just like every gas station runs out of gas the instant there's some disaster (hurricane, etc.) and everyone decides to fill their gas tank at the same time. The two situations are really no different in that regard; the grid just needs to handle the typical load added by EV users, not the "everyone decides to recharge at the same time" case, as that is totally unrealistic.

As for capacity, it is going up due to both expected demand and Wind/Solar being dirt cheap to implement. That being said, this is one area I would prefer the Federal/State governments to get much more directly involved in financing (if not directly controlling) new construction, as odds are the major upgrades needed won't happen until it is financially advantageous (EG: when overdemand causes prices to rise); I'd rather get farther in front of that problem.

That being said, certain parts of the world (the Nordic countries, of course) already have the majority of new car purchases as EVs, and shockingly, their grids haven't collapsed yet. Just comes down to putting forward the cash for the necessary investments.

 

[sreams]

Batteries aren't measured in miles. 435 miles in what vehicle? Using what scale? Much more important to know how many kWh per volume and per weight.

 

[rmcrys]

First: many of us have been calling out the infrastructure issue for years now. It's not a new problem, and the biggest argument against 2035 EV mandates is that the grid is not ready, and will take 30-40 years to fully upgrade.

Second: these types of chargers wont be in peoples homes, they'll be at public charging stations where we dont want to wait 4+ hours.

1) on ALL first world countries, the electric companies (= stock holders) have huge margins, at the cost of slowly upgrading the infrastructure (among many other things)

2) if you wait that the infrastructure is updated before you start with EVs, than you'll wait another 50 years. The fast adoption of the EVs demands a faster update which is easy in big cities

3) if they adopt more renewable energy produced locally, the need for an update of the infrastructure is low.

The thing is: is far easier to justify doing nothing than doing something.

 

[bexwhitt]

You would need over a Megawatt charger for that, can't see many of those anytime soon.

 

[JerzeyBoy]

Even if the power quickly charges it has to come from somewhere and I'm not sure we'd want that: I think the battery on that car might be enough to power an entire small house for a day so think about how much power you use and then think about cramming it inside a 10 minutes window.

Or if you want to view it from another angle, this is close to effectively 24 times as much power as a small house so to charge a single car, you'd need as much power as 2 or 3 transformers for said 5-10 houses (Since on average they're gonna be using more power than a small house anyway) just to handle the power?

Now think about the last time you went to a gas station that had only one pump, you'll probably need anywhere from 4 to 8 'pumps' meaning each fast charging station needs to have enough capacity to service as much as a full city block probably.

Fast charging to this degree isn't like getting a huge fast charger for your phone there simply is not enough infrastructure and capacity to cope with such demand. But since we've trained people to 1) Always use their cars and never use public transport (That can easily run on much lower, constant wattage since it has cables instead of batteries) 2) Have pretty much near universal access to refuel meaning they never need to plan in advance it's going to be a sad reality that most users will find themselves either stranded or most cities will experience near constant rolling blackouts just trying to cope with such a ridiculous simultaneous load so people can charge for 250 miles in 10 minutes instead of say, charging overnight at home at a reasonable rate.

THANKS for your comment, I've been screaming this for some time now. Seems this "no free lunch" power demand requirement is never included in all the Pie in the Sky about charing in XX minutes reports on EVs..

 

[MyIOnU]

Yeah but the real question is that if it is safe to park the car inside the garage?