Upgrade the system to new parts

black20

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Hello
To be able to run a program like corel video studio in HD quality at the same time, next to vm (with a allocation of 6 GB of virtual machine RAM) and not jump out of the middle of one of these two programs due to lack of memory or CPU involvement
Or, for example, Corel does a medium rendering in the background and at the same time in the foreground, I play a game with medium settings to finish the rendering;

What upgrades should I make to my current system to make it a little more streamlined and at a lower cost?
i5 10400F + H510 M + 2 * 8 GB DDR4 2666

1) Change the brand to amd for better parallelization
As for the video, I heard that Intel was ahead and it was a bit of a contradictory and difficult choice.

2) Increase RAM memory, for example 24
(8GB + 16 GB GIGABYTE XMP Dual)
Because according to the RAM and CPU status gadget that I have on the desktop, when running concurrently, for example, Corel and the virtual machine, 90% of the RAM and CPU ranged from 70 to 90 and most often 70, jumping out of one of the programs is related to I tend to reduce memory, not CPU power.

3) Are both options 1 and 2 necessary at the same time?
 

HardReset

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Just add more memory now. For bigger upgrade, wait until DDR5 becomes affordable and new parts come later this year. DDR4 is pretty cheap right now (considering pandemic etc) so memory upgrade is pretty affordable option. You probably could do with better CPU too but current one is not too bad and like said, around six months much better is coming.
 

HardReset

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Hello
Thanks for the answer
What models do you suggest CPU ?
Like I said, current CPU is not too bad and there are new models coming later this year. You'll also need new motherboard in any case. Go for at least Ryzen 9 5900X if you want real upgrade and nothing too big, that's around $500. And again, I would wait until next gen arrives.
 

black20

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Like I said, current CPU is not too bad and there are new models coming later this year. You'll also need new motherboard in any case. Go for at least Ryzen 9 5900X if you want real upgrade and nothing too big, that's around $500. And again, I would wait until next gen arrives.
Hello
@Kshipper
For this motherboard ( Gigabyte H510M S2H ) What RAM DDR4 model do you suggest?
Please advise whether 8 + 16, in the case I mentioned in the above post, becomes 24 two channels or not?
If not, should I get 2.16 for dual channel? Of course, my motherboard also has 2 slots?
 

Kshipper

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Hello
@Kshipper
For this motherboard ( Gigabyte H510M S2H ) What RAM DDR4 model do you suggest?
Please advise whether 8 + 16, in the case I mentioned in the above post, becomes 24 two channels or not?
If not, should I get 2.16 for dual channel? Of course, my motherboard also has 2 slots?
I would suggest you purchase a matched pair of RAM for best compatibility and performance. These ram sticks can be sold as a kit where both sticks of RAM are in the same package and they are from the same lot. That's a better way to go, then buying 2 single 16GB sticks and hoping they will work. This is a very important info to know if you go AMD Ryzen since they are fussier with RAM.

To get the correct RAM sticks for your board go to the RAM manufacturer's website and use their RAM configurator. I like the GSkill website for this. You put in the make/ model of your board then it shows you all the RAM that works. You click on the left side > 2 x 16GB and it sorts the sticks by speed and timings. The faster the RAM and the tighter the timings.,..the higher the price. You will likely have to Google each part number you are interested in to see which retailer has stock. It's a time consuming process.
 

black20

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Hello Brother
@Kshipper

motherboard supports up to 2666 ddr4 for the 10th generation i5 I have now and up to 3200 ddr4 for the 11th generation i5. The current one is 16GB 2666.

If I get 3200 RAM then it works with the current 10th generation i5 - at 2666 and lower frequency? A CPU that can work with 2666 ‌ does not have a problem with 3200?
 

Kshipper

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The best course of action is to choose RAM that is known to work with your motherboard at the size/speed/timings you desire. There is no way for me to know if those RAM kits in the picture will function at the speeds they claim. Just because a RAM stick is rated for 3200MHz does not mean it will work in your setup. That's why I recommended using the RAM manufacturer's website to choose a RAM kit. They are more up to date than the motherboard makers QVL.

To answer the question about XMP. DDR4 runs at 2133Mhz be default as you start to increase speeds that will also facilitate a change to your timings. XMP (eXtended Memory Profile) is just an easy way to set those speeds & timings. They won't work unless they are known to work in your motherboard (or you get lucky). The quality of your motherboard and the quality of your power supply can be factors too but now we are getting into the weeds. 3200MHz is not that fast or hard to achieve.
 
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black20

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Hello Brother
@Kshipper
So is XMP useful for getting a 2666 RAM, for example, and trying to overclock to a frequency of 3,000, for example?

For example, if I want to get two 16 GB RAMs from the same brand and exactly the same and use the motherboard in the two available slots (it has only two slots) - will it be useful to have XMP for each of the modules?

Or is there an additional cost to use in these circumstances?
 

Kshipper

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Hello Brother
@Kshipper
So is XMP useful for getting a 2666 RAM, for example, and trying to overclock to a frequency of 3,000, for example?

For example, if I want to get two 16 GB RAMs from the same brand and exactly the same and use the motherboard in the two available slots (it has only two slots) - will it be useful to have XMP for each of the modules?

Or is there an additional cost to use in these circumstances?
XMP is just the 'easy' way to run a kit of memory at its rated speed. The caveat being that not all memory kits will run stable at overclocked speeds in a given board. Since you are interested in this you should dive right into this guys channel:


You will learn a LOT
 

black20

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Hello dear brother
I'm really ashamed for many questions.
@Kshipper

From friends, advise that the frequency of 3600 buys,

My motherboard supports up to 3200, is it?

Or work with low frequencies? On the other hand, my motherboard recommends computer and educated specialists in this field, according to the motherboard feeding phase and other specifications, saying that the maximum i5 11400 can support the Bandazi method that supports a maximum of 3200 and the current i5 10400, 2666

Between 3 models below, according to specifications on paper not practically

1-Corsair Vengeance 3200MHZ
2-Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 3200
3-KLEVV CRAS X DUAL 3200MHz rgb support RGB and xmp2
 

Kshipper

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I do not know which ram kit to recommend based on your list. I do not think you have ever said what motherboard you are using. You should be looking up the RAM compatibility for your motherboard on the website of the RAM manufacturer.
 

black20

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I do not think you have ever said what motherboard you are using
hello dear brother

GIGABYTE H510M S2H
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Between 3 models below, according to specifications on paper not practically

1-Corsair Vengeance 3200MHZ
2-Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 3200
3-KLEVV CRAS X DUAL 3200MHz rgb support RGB and xmp2
 

Kshipper

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Here is the support list from Gigabyte for your board:


You need a to find a kit off that list that fits your criteria ...32GB ..3200Mhz. I took a quick look and I didn't see any offerings at that size and speed. There was a lot to look at tho!
 

black20

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Hello dear brother
@Kshipper
I got the 2x16GB 3200 KLEVV RAM today, and after installing it on the system, while the rgb light is working, but the system turns off many times in a row, it finally beeps intermittently and at intervals, and there is no video at all. It's not the BIOS, which I eventually manually turn off the system power button.
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Motherboard
GIGABYTE H510M S2H
  1. 11th Generation Intel® Core™ i9/i7/i5 processors:
    Support for DDR4 3200/3000/2933/2666/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
  2. 10th Generation Intel® Core™ i9/i7 processors:
    Support for DDR4 2933/2666/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
  3. 10th Generation Intel® Core™ i5/i3/Pentium®/Celeron® processors:
    Support for DDR4 2666/2400/2133 MHz memory modules
  4. 2 x DDR4 DIMM sockets supporting up to 64 GB (32 GB single DIMM capacity) of system memory
  5. Dual channel memory architecture
  6. Support for ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8 memory modules (operate in non-ECC mode)
  7. Support for non-ECC Un-buffered DIMM 1Rx8/2Rx8/1Rx16 memory modules
  8. Support for Extreme Memory Profile (XMP) memory modules
(Please refer "Memory Support List" for more information.)
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RAM
KLEVV CRAS X DUAL 3200MHz rgb support RGB and xmp2

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what is the problem?
Power?
RAM?
Motherboard?
 

Kshipper

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Does the KLEVV Part# match the QVL? If ti does then the RAM should work at the tested speed. The turning on and shutting off is a memory training phase (that is normal). If you are hearing a series of beeps at the start with no video then that sounds like POST beeps. Make sure those RAM sticks are all the way and clipped. Try one stick at a time.
 

black20

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Hello dear brother
@Kshipper
I wrote the motherboard model in previous posts
The system works with the old RAM and no problem

But with new RAMs System turned off / on

The shutdown key doesn't work on the chass and you should turn off with the power key

Please answer the questions.
1- or should I change the RAMs and buy a new RAM?
2. Do you have a solution to this problem?
3- Do I buy a new motherboard?
4-what is the problem????

Voice please listen

Bios.jpg

Ram gigabyte.jpg
klevv.JPG
 

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Kshipper

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You should have gone to the link I gave you and downloaded the PDF> Memory Support List for your motherboard and selected a RAM kit that is on that list that meets your criteria. I assume this means 16GB kit at roughly 3000MHz?

I went there and looked for your Klevv ram kit by part# >> KD4AGU880-32A160X

It is not listed as being compatible. That is likely the reason you are still having trouble with RAM =(
 

HardReset

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Memory compatibility lists have always been and still are useless. No matter if memory is listed, it may or may not work. Also there is no correlation between listed and actually working modules, often it's other way around. If memory is specification-compatible (right type, right MHz, right voltage etc), lists have absolutely no use.

It should work and if it's not, then either one of modules (one module is tried too?) is broken or there is some sort of compatibility problem. If module is broken, replace with working one. If there is compatibility problem, switch another module.

You may also try to press reset button (not power) for 10 seconds and see it it helps. You could also try CMOS reset (manual tells how).