Vaping industry now subjected to the same regulations as traditional cigarettes

[Uncle Al]

Lets face it, putting ANY kind of vapor directly into your lungs is a bad idea, regardless of what the advertisers claim. The tobacco industry lied forever; what on earth makes you think they can be trusted now? The list of chemicals in that stuff is a witch's brew and anyone that passed their first year of HS chemistry should know better.

 

[Adhmuz]

Why doesn't the FEDS ban Marijuana smoking in the States that are now allowing it? You don't think that Marijuana smoke is healthy, I hope! It's against Federal law to possess or use weed however the Feds are looking past those States (Colorado, Washington and others) who are violating Federal law. Do you know why? .........TAXATION. Do you not think that Bubblegum Vodka, Cotton Candy flavored vodka does not target teenagers into drinking? Government nor the media doesn't fixate on that.....because it is heavily taxed. This is all about Taxing us to death! That is why Americans are fed up with Government and we have the Bernie Sanders and Trump movements. GOVERNMENT has finally been exposed and Americans can finally see through them and their lies. This whole ECigg revolt is bullsh-t. Just read the blogs of each article representing the millions that smoke cigarettes but switched. They are all feeling 1000 % better and can breath again. This comes from a commenter that has never smoked cigarettes, ECiggs or Marijuana so I can be impartial.

The "fight" on drugs, especially marijuana is a huge waste of tax payers dollars to begin with, it puts thousands and thousands of people in jail for such a meaningless crime. The people who smoke it will always want to smoke it and laws clearly have not stopped them from doing so, legalizing it and taxing it only makes sense, don't forget the harmful effects of marijuana are known and are not nearly as bad for you as cigarettes, people were just brainwashed into believing it to be a gateway drug to worse things, just google "marijuana propaganda" and you'll see what I mean. Heck alcohol is far more devastating to far more families then marijuana can ever be, even tobacco kills more than it but those have both been around seemingly forever because yes, tax dollars.

The problem I have with e-cigarettes is not the governments involvement, it's how little we know in regards to what goes in them and how exactly it will affect you in the long run. No kidding people who use to smoke a pack or more cigarettes a day feel better after switching over to e-cigarettes, but in fairness a lot of that is attributed to the additives in the cigarettes and not the tobacco itself, things that are known to cause cancer and people just don't care. These e-cigarettes are the same thing, you don't get cancer from smoking cigarettes for a couple years, most people can recover from that if they quit while they're young, just like smoking e-cigarettes for a short period of time will likely show no negative signs, it's the long term side affects that concerns me, that should concern most people. But instead people want to focus on the government taking away their freedoms and ignore any rational as to why these are bad, I have no argument against the government being a bad thing at times. However turning a blind eye to health is just irresponsible on a whole different level.

 

[mike78]

That guy in the picture used in this article must really enjoy poisoning his body. Must be really looking forward to lung cancer, C.O.P.D, emphysema and lord knows what else.

Wow, you surely dont have any idea what you are talking about... The UK is actually marketing e-cigs as atop smoking aids...

 

[NmmnP]

That guy in the picture used in this article must really enjoy poisoning his body. Must be really looking forward to lung cancer, C.O.P.D, emphysema and lord knows what else.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. I have C.O.P.D and I used to smoke. Vaping allowed me to quit cigarettes. When I told my Doctor and Cardiologist that I quit smoking because I now vape, they both congratulated me on quitting smoking. The bottom line is my health has improved significantly. The latest "unbiased" studies have concluded that smoking tobacco is 95% worse for you than vaping. And anybody who bothers to do any research will find that cigarettes have the same chemicals (and 100's more) mentioned in the article as ejuice and at much higher levels. The tobacco industry doesn't care, but juice manufacturers are regularly changing/replacing ingredients when a possible health concern has been proven. Educate yourself...

 

[DJMIKE25]

Yeah well, I'm sure all you hipsters will find a way to convince yourselves that "vaping" is good for you, but the truth is, nicotine is much better utilized as an insecticide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

In fact, IIRC, it's much more toxic than malathion.

And what about those who vape 0 nic liquids???

 

[captaincranky]

And what about those who vape 0 nic liquids???

For example......? :raisesoneeyebrow:

 

[Camikazi]

Yeah well, I'm sure all you hipsters will find a way to convince yourselves that "vaping" is good for you, but the truth is, nicotine is much better utilized as an insecticide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

In fact, IIRC, it's much more toxic than malathion.

And what about those who vape 0 nic liquids???

I honestly fail to see the point of no nicotine smoking/vaping of ANY kind. Hell, the main reason most smoke was the addiction to nicotine, once you got started, if you got rid of that stop wasting the money and quit all together. No inhalation of any vapor is good for you, not even water vapor, so I don't see the reason behind continuing to do so other than wanting to be cool.

 

[captaincranky]

You really have no idea what you are talking about. I have C.O.P.D and I used to smoke. Vaping allowed me to quit cigarettes. When I told my Doctor and Cardiologist that I quit smoking because I now vape, they both congratulated me on quitting smoking. The bottom line is my health has improved significantly. The latest "unbiased" studies have concluded that smoking tobacco is 95% worse for you than vaping. And anybody who bothers to do any research will find that cigarettes have the same chemicals (and 100's more) mentioned in the article as ejuice and at much higher levels. The tobacco industry doesn't care, but juice manufacturers are regularly changing/replacing ingredients when a possible health concern has been proven. Educate yourself...

Time for a reality check on both sides of the debate.

1st, agreed nicotine and smoking tobacco offer two entirely different sets of health risks, the far worse of the two being tobacco smoke.

2nd, what we have with "vaping", is basically snorting your nicotine patches.

3rd, it's fashionable to have some some of addiction, even one as run of the mill as nicotine.

4th, nicotine does allegedly make you mentally sharper. Without the risks of smoking involved, one has to wonder if it would be possible to "vape" your way to a 200 IQ... (Granted, and IQ in that range would also make you too smart for your own good, but we'll cross that bridge if we ever come to it).

I honestly fail to see the point of no nicotine smoking/vaping of ANY kind. Hell, the main reason most smoke was the addiction to nicotine, once you got started, if you got rid of that stop wasting the money and quit all together. No inhalation of any vapor is good for you, not even water vapor, so I don't see the reason behind continuing to do so other than wanting to be cool.

Besides, if someone were this intrinsically "cool", a vaping device would only detract from it!

While others would imitate you out of "envy":

 

[MaXtor]

Yeah well, I'm sure all you hipsters will find a way to convince yourselves that "vaping" is good for you, but the truth is, nicotine is much better utilized as an insecticide: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine

In fact, IIRC, it's much more toxic than malathion.

Anything in high concentration is toxic. It takes 6 liters of water to intoxicate and kill a 160 pound person. Caffeine is also used as an insecticide. Nicotine is naturally found in eggplant, tomatoes, potatoes, cauliflower, peppers, green and black tea...

Current research on nicotine finds that nicotine on its own (absent from tobacco) is directly comparable to caffeine. They both prevent and treat Alzheimers, Parkinsons, and ADHD, they both cause a short term increase in blood pressure, and both increase your metabolism. The addiction of nicotine outside of tobacco use is also comparable to that of caffeine. The FDA approves adding Ammonia to tobacco which helps convert nicotine in tobacco smoke to free nicotine, also known as freebasing (similar to the chemical process of freebasing cocaine), this is proven to severely increase nicotine addiction.

These regulations have nothing to do with public health or safety. It has everything to do with putting money back into the hands of big tobacco. The Masters Settlement Agreement of 1998 included 46 states which all agreed to end lawsuits against big tobacco companies in exchange for a minimum of 200 billion dollars to be paid over 25 years based on expected tobacco sales. The problem is that rather than waiting for yearly payments, each state went and took out bonds based on money they anticipated receiving over the next 25 years. With the vaping industry coming out of nowhere, tobacco sales are plummeting, and several states are already defaulting on their bonds.

In 1962 The Royal College Of Physicians released a warning to the world about the harmful effects of tobacco, this warning was ignored by the FDA for years. In 2016 The Royal College Of Physicians released a statement to the world that vaping can help. The FDA is once again protecting government and corporate interests over public health. These regulations will put more than 99% of companies out of business and directly hand off the market to big tobacco. It will also completely destroy innovation and create a giant black market.

Vaping has the potential to save a billion lives over the next century. Lets hope an injunction is successfully filed.

 

[MaXtor]

Some good news, A Billion Lives documentary will be released on May 11th.
https://www.facebook.com/ABillionLives/

 

[Frixx]

I vape. But when you blow out a giant cloud into a public place you're just an ******* looking for attention. Just don't do it.

 

[DJMIKE25]

I vape. But when you blow out a giant cloud into a public place you're just an ******* looking for attention. Just don't do it.

I completely agree with that. I believe that is where most people start to hate the vaping community. Just as much as I don't want cigarette smoke blown in my face, I don't believe anyone wants a giant cloud of vape in theirs.

 

[captaincranky]

....[ ]....Vaping has the potential to save a billion lives over the next century. Lets hope an injunction is successfully filed.

Yeah, because we don't have enough people on the planet now. So thank God nobody's going to die from smoking.. After all, we've established that nicotine is an insecticide, and the 3rd world seems to be breeding like lice. I think we should make them sharecroppers on tobacco farms. (Granted, I have a really bad attitude).

Anything in high concentration is toxic. It takes 6 liters of water to intoxicate and kill a 160 pound person. Caffeine is also used as an insecticide. Nicotine is naturally found in eggplant, tomatoes, potatoes, cauliflower, peppers, green and black tea...

I enjoy posting pseudo-intellectual crap as much or more than the next person, but the LD-50 number of Nicotine is 1. The LD-50 number of water is pushing infinite, not to mention you'd most likely have to hold a person down, and hold his or her nose closed to prevent them from spitting it out. Not to mention it would take less water than that if you held their head in a toilet bowl for 3 minutes or so. At that point however, "aqua poisoning" becomes, "2nd degree murder by drowning".

 

[MaXtor]

I enjoy posting pseudo-intellectual crap as much or more than the next person, but the LD-50 number of Nicotine is 1. The LD-50 number of water is pushing infinite, not to mention you'd most likely have to hold a person down, and hold his or her nose closed to prevent them from spitting it out. Not to mention it would take less water than that if you held their head in a toilet bowl for 3 minutes or so. At that point however, "aqua poisoning" becomes, "2nd degree murder by drowning".

Haha, I enjoy your humor. You're right, however the point I failed to mention is that ejuice doesn't contain 100% pure nicotine (1000mg), it is heavily diluted. In general the maximum nicotine content in ejuice is 2% (20mg); the average being closer to 1% and lowering year by year as vaping technology improves. People exhaling those giant clouds of vapor are usually using a maximum of 0.3% (3mg).

 

[VitalyT]

What will this achieve, if not push e-cigarette smokers back to the real ones? How good is that?

I smoke about 2-3 times a year, usually in a pub, after a good few pints, without giving any thought whether it is of any danger, as I believe in moderation is everything. Well, except in the amount of beer, perhaps, thanks God for the good bladder!

 

[skoony]

The "fight" on drugs, especially marijuana is a huge waste of tax payers dollars to begin with, it puts thousands and thousands of people in jail for such a meaningless crime. The people who smoke it will always want to smoke it and laws clearly have not stopped them from doing so, legalizing it and taxing it only makes sense, don't forget the harmful effects of marijuana are known and are not nearly as bad for you as cigarettes, people were just brainwashed into believing it to be a gateway drug to worse things, just google "marijuana propaganda" and you'll see what I mean. Heck alcohol is far more devastating to far more families then marijuana can ever be, even tobacco kills more than it but those have both been around seemingly forever because yes, tax dollars.

The problem I have with e-cigarettes is not the governments involvement, it's how little we know in regards to what goes in them and how exactly it will affect you in the long run. No kidding people who use to smoke a pack or more cigarettes a day feel better after switching over to e-cigarettes, but in fairness a lot of that is attributed to the additives in the cigarettes and not the tobacco itself, things that are known to cause cancer and people just don't care. These e-cigarettes are the same thing, you don't get cancer from smoking cigarettes for a couple years, most people can recover from that if they quit while they're young, just like smoking e-cigarettes for a short period of time will likely show no negative signs, it's the long term side affects that concerns me, that should concern most people. But instead people want to focus on the government taking away their freedoms and ignore any rational as to why these are bad, I have no argument against the government being a bad thing at times. However turning a blind eye to health is just irresponsible on a whole different level.

There are now over 1000 studies the majority confirm there is no significant risk of harm. Any toxins that have been found from reliable studies
were at such minuscule levels there is no possibility of causing harm to the user and impossible to pose any harm what so ever to anyone due to second hand exposure.The Royal Academy of Scientist has stated e-cigarettes at worst 95% safer than smoking but more likely to be 99% safer or better. With a margin of error of plus or minus 2% this means 97 to 101% safer. This makes the level of harm indistinguishable from non risk groups.
So to some it up,they and us know whats in them and know how it affects the body.10 years of studies indicate the likelihood of serious long term health effects to be slim and next to none.As of today there has not been one reported case of serious illness contributed to the use of e-cigarettes,not one. This is not the case with smoking when serious issues can arise in short term usage depending on the individual. This is also a indication that waiting for long term studies has no scientific merit. We have no idea what is to be looked for as the short term studies can not find any harm to point the way.

 

[skoony]

Yeah, because we don't have enough people on the planet now. So thank God nobody's going to die from smoking.. After all, we've established that nicotine is an insecticide, and the 3rd world seems to be breeding like lice. I think we should make them sharecroppers on tobacco farms. (Granted, I have a really bad attitude).
I enjoy posting pseudo-intellectual crap as much or more than the next person, but the LD-50 number of Nicotine is 1. The LD-50 number of water is pushing infinite, not to mention you'd most likely have to hold a person down, and hold his or her nose closed to prevent them from spitting it out. Not to mention it would take less water than that if you held their head in a toilet bowl for 3 minutes or so. At that point however, "aqua poisoning" becomes, "2nd degree murder by drowning".

It appears you have little or no knowledge of nicotine. Let me help you out. http://www.formindep.org/The-myth-of-nicotine-addiction.html

 

[Zintin]

Lets face it, putting ANY kind of vapor directly into your lungs is a bad idea, regardless of what the advertisers claim. The tobacco industry lied forever; what on earth makes you think they can be trusted now? The list of chemicals in that stuff is a witch's brew and anyone that passed their first year of HS chemistry should know better.

We breath water vapor all the time.... Who knows what's in that....

 

[DJMIKE25]

There are now over 1000 studies the majority confirm there is no significant risk of harm. Any toxins that have been found from reliable studies
were at such minuscule levels there is no possibility of causing harm to the user and impossible to pose any harm what so ever to anyone due to second hand exposure.The Royal Academy of Scientist has stated e-cigarettes at worst 95% safer than smoking but more likely to be 99% safer or better. With a margin of error of plus or minus 2% this means 97 to 101% safer. This makes the level of harm indistinguishable from non risk groups.
So to some it up,they and us know whats in them and know how it affects the body.10 years of studies indicate the likelihood of serious long term health effects to be slim and next to none.As of today there has not been one reported case of serious illness contributed to the use of e-cigarettes,not one. This is not the case with smoking when serious issues can arise in short term usage depending on the individual. This is also a indication that waiting for long term studies has no scientific merit. We have no idea what is to be looked for as the short term studies can not find any harm to point the way.

Always happy to know that some people are well informed. I keep harping this to buddies who still smoke cigarettes and fail to see the potential positives to switch to vaping. I am happy that I was able to switch my wife over a couple of months ago.

 

[captaincranky]

We breath water vapor all the time.... Who knows what's in that....

No s***, really? I suppose we might get overdosed on "????????", were we to stand on a pier and breath in the ocean spray. Better contact the trial lawyers association and get a class action lawsuit going against every seaside resort on the planet.

Imagine the ramifications from the headline, "standing on a pier bass fishing causes cancer". @DJMIKE25 Think of all the sea bass who would be saved, as a collateral benefit of proving salt spray is a carcinogen. Why, the number could possibly be as many as a billion in the next century.

EPITAPH: Who could have known that many forms of skin cancer, even the deadly melanoma, were caused by inhaling sea spray, and not excess exposure to the sun?

It appears you have little or no knowledge of nicotine. Let me help you out. http://www.formindep.org/The-myth-of-nicotine-addiction.html

Oooo, thank you so much. There's nothing I enjoy more over breakfast coffee, than following links posted by some pedant, on a topic I thoroughly satirized way back at post #33

Time for a reality check on both sides of the debate.

1st, agreed nicotine and smoking tobacco offer two entirely different sets of health risks, the far worse of the two being tobacco smoke.

2nd, what we have with "vaping", is basically snorting your nicotine patches.

3rd, it's fashionable to have some some of addiction, even one as run of the mill as nicotine.

4th, nicotine does allegedly make you mentally sharper. Without the risks of smoking involved, one has to wonder if it would be possible to "vape" your way to a 200 IQ... (Granted, and IQ in that range would also make you too smart for your own good, but we'll cross that bridge if we ever come to it).

So how about if we make a deal, I'll follow every link you post in the future, if you first learn to read...

Although, you could be the first example of my speculation about how, "vaping nicotine", could possible make you too smart for your own good.

 

[r8bwp]

I think this says alot about who runs the roost when it comes to laws

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/04/28/royal_college_of_physicians_ecigarettes_report/

 

[cliffordcooley]

We breath water vapor all the time.... Who knows what's in that....

Not having a choice in what we inhale is a bit different than purchasing crap for inhalation.

 

[captaincranky]

@cliffordcooley I think it's "high time", this thread was made sillier than it already is. (Which of course will require a herculean effort on my part, but here goes).

When confronted with the various methods for recreational drug ingestion, I prefer intra-nasal (AKA "snorting"), far above the others. But why, your perspiring, (oops, I mean "inquiring") minds want to know? Well intravenous methods are dirty, painful, and oftentimes prone to exposure to the HIV virus.

Smoking makes me cough. Public, showy displays of plumes of smoke from "vaping", are just outright obnoxious by even the most minimal standards of public courtesy. And well, oral ingestion is just too slow for immediate infantile recreational gratification.

This leads us to the chopping block, so to speak. For me, the post nasal drip caused by certain recreational compounds, has an exquisite, lingering aftertaste, on a par with, but far more lingering, as compared to a single malt scotch gulped down a heavy drinker.

So boyz & gurlz, once upon a time, (about a decade & a half ago), before there was, "Chantix" or a "vaping industry", I quit smoking the old fashioned way, cold turkey. Up until now, I have avoided the temptation of adopting the condescending attitude of, "the born again non-smoker". But I will, if there's a public outcry in that regard...(y)

 

[cliffordcooley]

I quit smoking the old fashioned way, cold turkey.

Same here, not once but, twice. I know the difficulties in quitting. It's all a matter of will-power. Until your will is strong enough, your power to quit or stay quit will never last. Anyone playing with these vapor toys, do not have the will to quit.

 

[captaincranky]

I think this says alot about who runs the roost when it comes to laws

I don't really give a flying snot, how many lives are "saved" by not smoking. By my "rough guesstimate", we already have about 3 billion too many now. (Yes, you read that right, "billion", with a "B").

As far as being led to what a clique of "doctors" has to say about "saving lives", they can only afford that new Beemer every other year, is if people keep getting sick, and insurance keeps paying them extravagantly to heal the sick . The joke there is, "a doctor is someone who takes your purse to see how sick you are".

Now, I abundantly don't care how many people die from smoking. Bit I do have quite a vested interest in how much my non-smoker's medical insurance premiums go up, alongside their completely lacking enough "common sense", to quit. So, when I see pictures of someone who feels it necessary to lift their oxygen mask to put a cigarette in their mouth, the first thing that springs into my mind is, "they should likely be euthanized", as treatment seems too expensive and pointless to continue. Bear in mind I also have an abundant disregard whose father, mother, sister, or brother they happen to be. They're a massive burden to the rest of the health insurance paying, and not our problem.

Now, you keep pumping out crap about "vaping", is practically good for you. While out the other side of your mouths, you blabber how, "nicotine isn't addictive". So why bother with it at all?

Now, you can whimper all you want about the "government just wanting the money". I figure, the government taxing your bad habits, is, (at least for the time being), not picking my pockets. (y)

So, the debate rages on, "nicotine is addictive", "nicotine isn't addictive","nicotine perks you up", "nicotine calms you down", ad naseum.

What nicotine is, is a junk high. You barely get off on it when you start taking it, but yet, a week later you can't feel it, and a team of wild horses can't get you to quit taking it.

So, make all the mental deals and compromises with yourself you choose, just don't expect those not involved with, "the vaping community", to take any particular interest in, "your problem", "your revelry", "your necessary evil". "the sport of kings", help me here, what should we call it?

I've always been fascinated by this, "MDMA", AKA "ecstasy", is correctly called "3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine". Yet you talk to anyone who takes it, they'll swear up and down they don't do "crank". I diagnose that as, "my drug is better than your drug although they're pretty much the same thing".

As far as all the money pissed away over the years to verify the fact that cigarette smoking causes cancer, it was probably unnecessarily spend, in an effort to rein in the tobacco lobby.

When I took my first cigarette at about 13, (1951), they had already been called "coffin nails" for decades.

Now you follow one of my links: http://tobacco.harpweek.com/hubpages/CommentaryPage.asp?Commentary=Introduction


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