VW "sold out" of electric vehicles in the US and Europe for the remainder of 2022

scavengerspc

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You probably want to look up cobalt mining along with lithium battery disposal.
We have. Right here on TS. Maybe dozens of times. Proof has been posted, the idiocy of the argument I put in bold proven false. And you know what the funniest part is? Even 20 years ago, that wasn't true.

So stay in your self-imposed time warp, but keep me out of it.
 

DaveBG

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Car companies are clearly selling more EVs - but the demand for "regular" cars still far outstrips them. This article makes it seem like people want electric more than "regular" - and that simply isn't true.
What? I do not believe that there are many people looking for new car and buying gas cars in 2022... It would be just dumb.
 

AlaskaGuy

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What? I do not believe that there are many people looking for new car and buying gas cars in 2022... It would be just dumb.
But let’s charge 20,000,000 electric cars every day as well…

 
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What? I do not believe that there are many people looking for new car and buying gas cars in 2022... It would be just dumb.
Are there electric vehicles with a starting price of 13,000?


Until electric vehicles are not significantly more expensive than gas-powered vehicles, you can be sure there will be demand for the latter.
 

scavengerspc

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Maps before and pictures now. You sure know how to prove a point \s
And don't force me to show pictures of oil rig filth and the results of fracking planet wide. Because if you do, we can then review some oil spills over the last century. Just for you.

For God’s sake, make your point and show your proof. I'm going to, whether you do or not, so you first.

EDIT - I marked this last year, but goes in to great depth. But I have to warn you, it talks of actual studies. And it even discusses how much more Cobalt was mined just for EVs before the batteries became a crying point all of a sudden.


And I thought I would throw this in for you to read and ignore.


But don't think any of us haven't noticed how this suddenly made the righties so concerned about the environment. First time for everything, and all it took was technological progress.
 
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AlaskaGuy

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Maps before and pictures now. You sure know how to prove a point \s
And don't force me to show pictures of oil rig filth and the results of fracking planet wide. Because if you do, we can then review some oil spills over the last century. Just for you.

For God’s sake, make your point and show your proof. I'm going to, whether you do or not, so you first.

EDIT - I marked this last year, but goes in to great depth. But I have to warn you, it talks of actual studies. And it even discusses how much more Cobalt was mined just for EVs before the batteries became a crying point all of a sudden.


And I thought I would throw this in for you to read and ignore.


But don't think any of us haven't noticed how this suddenly made the righties so concerned about the environment. First time for everything, and all it took was technological progress.
I work in the oil patch here in Alaska (North Slope) along with having worked at two different mining sites up here (Red Dog & Rock Creek). The crappiest oil patch I've worked in was Sakhalin Island (Russia) and even that is 100x's more environmentally sound than cobalt mining. The left knows they can get away with pushing the green energy lie because they know that most of their followers are willingly clueless. Just look at the following Greta Thunberg got.
 

scavengerspc

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I work in the oil patch here in Alaska (North Slope) along with having worked at two different mining sites up here (Red Dog & Rock Creek). The crappiest oil patch I've worked in was Sakhalin Island (Russia) and even that is 100x's more environmentally sound than cobalt mining. The left knows they can get away with pushing the green energy lie because they know that most of their followers are willingly clueless. Just look at the following Greta Thunberg got.
Now come on, let's stay away from the right's biggest fears, grandmas and teenage girls.

But anyway I will say because of where cobalt comes from, child labor is a huge problem of course. But we are talking about environmental impact.

And if you want to stop mining because you suddenly have environmental concerns, you should remember that cobalt days are numbered for EV batteries anyway. After that, do you want to ban cobalt use in medicine, food preservation? How about aeronautical engines?


And were you cheering when the Deepwater Horizon pumped the Gulf so full of oil, people still get sick from it?

The worst part of this discussion is I actually hate cobalt mining, but I will still hate it when it's no longer needed for EV batteries. I doubt you will, and I doubt you even gave it any thought before EVs.

Oh BTW. The "green energy lie" is in the worst place it can be. A CONservatives head.
 
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AlaskaGuy

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Now come on, let's stay away from the right's biggest fears, grandmas and teenage girls.

But anyway I will say because of where cobalt comes from, child labor is a huge problem of course. But we are talking about environmental impact.

And if you want to stop mining because you suddenly have environmental concerns, you should remember that cobalt days are numbered for EV batteries anyway. After that, do you want to ban cobalt use in medicine, food preservation? How about aeronautical engines?


And were you cheering when the Deepwater Horizon pumped the Gulf so full of oil, people still get sick from it?

The worst part of this discussion is I actually hate cobalt mining, but I will still hate it when it's no longer needed for EV batteries. I doubt you will, and I doubt you even gave it any thought before EVs.

Oh BTW. The "green energy lie" is in the worst place it can be. A CONservatives head.
Cobalt mining = strip mining.
 

scavengerspc

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Cobalt mining = strip mining.
Well, you sure showed me. Thanks for the non answers, again, but I will raise a glass that you have your job as long as you want it.

Just keep it out of the ground surface areas and out of the water, or it won't be up to you and the oil industry.

EDIT - And I wanted to say, in your industry you are probably pulling down some good scratch, and as much as this may pain you, think about investing in Solid State batteries.
 
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Squid Surprise

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What? I do not believe that there are many people looking for new car and buying gas cars in 2022... It would be just dumb.
Well, believe what you want... then do some research and see that ICE purchases still VASTLY outnumber electric... guess everyone’s dumb... or maybe they know something you don’t?
 

DaveBG

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But let’s charge 20,000,000 electric cars every day as well…

Sure why not? But here is the long answer:
 

DaveBG

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Well, believe what you want... then do some research and see that ICE purchases still VASTLY outnumber electric... guess everyone’s dumb... or maybe they know something you don’t?
Actually its funny but those that buy GAS cars today do not know something I do.
 

DaveBG

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Meanwhile back in the real world California is facing more power blackouts.
Then I am lucky to not live there?
And by the way I heard this state shares least of your concerns and has some of the most EVs to date. So not exactly "real world". Also you can buy some solar panels and all the problems will be gone.
 

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Meanwhile back in the real world California is facing more power blackouts.
That's what you get when you refuse to increase power supply to keep up with demand. Add the spillways that are still damaged to some degree on some big hydro plants, and that spells trouble. But they are getting 5 temporary gas power plants to help with high demand, but who the hell knows when they will be finished.

As for the rest of the country:


"Fact: If 80% of all passenger cars become electric, this would lead to a total increase of 10-15% in electricity consumption."
 
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Squid Surprise

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Actually its funny but those that buy GAS cars today do not know something I do.
Yeah… they know that they can’t afford to pay more for an electric vehicle than a comparable ICE one. They know that it will take hours to recharge their car as opposed to a couple of minutes for an ICE car. They know that charging stations are few and far between whereas gas stations are everywhere…

Until electric vehicles solve these problems, they aren’t going to take over the auto market.
 

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They know that charging stations are few and far between
I love the smell of bullshit in the morning.




Yeah… they know that they can’t afford to pay more for an electric vehicle than a comparable ICE one.
They should also know that once they get an EV cost of ownership drops drastically.
 
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AlaskaGuy

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I love the smell of bullshit in the morning.




They should also know that once they get an EV cost of ownership drops drastically.
Yes because Vox knows the energy business. Anyone who thinks EV's are going to replace gas engines anytime soon is nowhere near reality.
 

scavengerspc

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Yes because Vox knows the energy business
Great, my stalker is back. Here to start a discussion he won't\can't finish.

Vox clearly points to EVERY stat\fact\claim with a highlighted and underlined link.
They are reporting, and not opinion based. You may have noticed the numerous links. Such as the Dept of Energy, Kelly blue book, Energy.gov, and the International Energy Agency to name a few.

Your
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are for them and not Vox.

Anyone who thinks EV's are going to replace gas engines anytime soon is nowhere near reality.
I don't believe and never once said it will happen soon. People who like smoke and 150-year-old lightbulb tech have been and will always be on the sidelines of progress. Complaining.
 
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DaveBG

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Yeah… they know that they can’t afford to pay more for an electric vehicle than a comparable ICE one. They know that it will take hours to recharge their car as opposed to a couple of minutes for an ICE car. They know that charging stations are few and far between whereas gas stations are everywhere…

Until electric vehicles solve these problems, they aren’t going to take over the auto market.
You see? This list applies to you. The things you do not know about EVs.

Outlets are much much more widely available than gasoline stations.

EVs charge much faster than ICE cars since every morning you have full battery where with ICE you have to search for a station , go there and deal with everything involved which takes time. Some people do not have that time. Like me. Because you ICE apologists only count the time to dump the fuel. Never count the time to search , travel , deal with the line at the cash desk (also where your price "advantage" also falls flat) and so on...
 

Squid Surprise

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You see? This list applies to you. The things you do not know about EVs.

Outlets are much much more widely available than gasoline stations.

EVs charge much faster than ICE cars since every morning you have full battery where with ICE you have to search for a station , go there and deal with everything involved which takes time. Some people do not have that time. Like me. Because you ICE apologists only count the time to dump the fuel. Never count the time to search , travel , deal with the line at the cash desk (also where your price "advantage" also falls flat) and so on...
Outlets take hours to charge a car... don’t give me any BS about them being everywhere - certainly not outdoors!

Gas stations are more prevalent - perhaps in the future this will change - when fast charging (under 10 minutes to charge my car) is more prevalent, I will consider getting an EV.

As for taking into effect “standing in line”, etc... even if I stood in line for 5 hours, I’d still get my car full before your EV reaches 100% charge... and you do realize most gas stations let you pay at the pump!

If you do the research, you’ll find that an EV is costlier than an ICE car - even if you own it for 20 years!

Oh... And when you charge at home... you have to pay for the electricity....