VW "sold out" of electric vehicles in the US and Europe for the remainder of 2022

scavengerspc

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Outlets take hours to charge a car
No problem. I sleep for hours. Though its usually done before I am finished with dinner. Maybe you are thinking of charging at Level 1.
Gas stations are more prevalent
I gave you proof on where this stands. Don't get whiny because you ignore it.
As for taking into effect “standing in line”, etc... even if I stood in line for 5 hours, I’d still get my car full before your EV reaches 100% charge
Kind of true. At level 1 yes. All others no. And when on the road, even my 5 year old toy 2017 Focus EV charges at 9 miles per minute on a Level 3 charger.
If you do the research, you’ll find that an EV is costlier than an ICE car - even if you own it for 20 years!
Wow. UMM, no! I have had my Focus near 7 months. I replaced one AC filter.
And the Ford maintenance record is 1\5th of a page, and most of that is just inspection. You are WAY off there. The only way that bit of.......stuff, is true is if the battery needs replaced. And I mean the only way.
Oh... And when you charge at home... you have to pay for the electricity
Figured that out by yourself, huh? As opposed to the free gasoline we get?
And we get cheaper evening\night rates.
 

Squid Surprise

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No problem. I sleep for hours. Though its usually done before I am finished with dinner. Maybe you are thinking of charging at Level 1.
And when you want to drive more than one ”charge” worth in a day? Like on a road trip?
I gave you proof on where this stands. Don't get whiny because you ignore it.
you gave someone else proof that they are getting CLOSE in the US.... gas stations are still more prevalent - especially in Canada.
Kind of true. At level 1 yes. All others no. And when on the road, even my 5 year old toy 2017 Focus EV charges at 9 miles per minute on a Level 3 charger.
9 miles per minute?!? So even a tiny 200 mile “tank” takes over 20 minutes to fill? my gas tank charges at 200 miles per minute.... I’ll take that :)
Wow. UMM, no! I have had my Focus near 7 months. I replaced one AC filter.

And the Ford maintenance record is 1\5th of a page, and most of that is just inspection. You are WAY off there. The only way that bit of.......stuff, is true is if the battery needs replaced. And I mean the only way.
maintenance of parts depends on your driving style... I pay $200 per year on service... but my ICE Camry just over $10,000 less than the electric.... It would take a LONG time to break even... not to mention that the initial cost savings get me interest - breaking even 15 years later is still a win for ICE...
Figured that out by yourself, huh? As opposed to the free gasoline we get?
And we get cheaper evening\night rates.
Even paying $2,400 in gas per year is cheaper than the initial cost of EV.

To be clear, I still think electric is the future of the automobile industry - it just isn’t the PRESENT.

I am confident that electric tech will improve while ICE will stay mostly stagnant... my next car, 10-15 years from now, will probably be electric.

The real problem is still charge length - I need to have the peace of mind in knowing that if my car goes “empty”, I can fill it up in just a few minutes and continue my daily drive. EV isn’t there yet - but maybe soon...
 

scavengerspc

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And when you want to drive more than one ”charge” worth in a day? Like on a road trip?
It's a Focus EV. It's not for long trips, even more so than other EVs.
I can take it to my cabin in Eureka Springs (near 170 miles) and charge once, and now it's a Level 3 stop so it takes a little under 10 minutes.
you gave someone else proof that they are getting CLOSE in the US.... gas stations are still more prevalent - especially in Canada.
I never said they were. They are close already.
9 miles per minute?!? So even a tiny 200 mile “tank” takes over 20 minutes to fill? my gas tank charges at 200 miles per minute.... I’ll take that :)
Again. How many people drive more than 98 miles a day?
maintenance of parts depends on your driving style... I pay $200 per year on service... but my ICE Camry just over $10,000 less than the electric.... It would take a LONG time to break even... not to mention that the initial cost savings get me interest - breaking even 15 years later is still a win for ICE...
An EV doesn't care much for driving style. And an EV can be had for under $30,000.
To be clear, I still think electric is the future of the automobile industry - it just isn’t the PRESENT.
And I would agree in a many ways. But when people lie to me (not you) to make a point about the ways an EV is already better than smokers, they need fact checked. All Im sayin.
 

Squid Surprise

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It's a Focus EV. It's not for long trips, even more so than other EVs.
I can take it to my cabin in Eureka Springs (near 170 miles) and charge once, and now it's a Level 3 stop so it takes a little under 10 minutes.
which means you need a second car...
I never said they were. They are close already.
agree that they are close - in the US. Not in Canada. But I hope soon...
Again. How many people drive more than 98 miles a day?
not every day... but how many drive over 98 miles a few times a year? Lots...
An EV doesn't care much for driving style. And an EV can be had for under $30,000.
yes - but an EQUIVALENT ICE vehicle is cheaper. I shouldn’t have to pay more for a car that is less useful. Again, I see this changing soon - just not yet.
And I would agree in a many ways. But when people lie to me (not you) to make a point about the ways an EV is already better than smokers, they need fact checked. All Im sayin.
There I agree... seeing the like on my previous post made me check my facts to make sure they were correct :)
 

DaveBG

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As for taking into effect “standing in line”, etc... even if I stood in line for 5 hours, I’d still get my car full before your EV reaches 100% charge... and you do realize most gas stations let you pay at the pump!

If you do the research, you’ll find that an EV is costlier than an ICE car - even if you own it for 20 years!

Oh... And when you charge at home... you have to pay for the electricity....
Still shows how little you know about EVs. Fast chargers which are the equivalent of gas station on most cars charge for 20 mins. But you need to use them very rarely. I charge 99% at home during the night which does not matter how long it takes (I have 3 phase 240v). And this is not new information yet it is new for you lol :)

Also EVs are at most 10% more expensive if you compare them with the car of the same equipment. Good luck paying 20 years for gas :) Again what kind of research you did???
 

scavengerspc

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which means you need a second car...

agree that they are close - in the US. Not in Canada. But I hope soon...

not every day... but how many drive over 98 miles a few times a year? Lots...

yes - but an EQUIVALENT ICE vehicle is cheaper. I shouldn’t have to pay more for a car that is less useful. Again, I see this changing soon - just not yet.

There I agree... seeing the like on my previous post made me check my facts to make sure they were correct :)
You know, when it comes down to it we agree on so many things, and even with the EVs we do, except for just a few points.
Really the only thing I would add is instead of needing an additional vehicle for vacations, for example, many EV owners just rent their cars for travel. And that was fairly common even before the electric.
 

Squid Surprise

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Still shows how little you know about EVs. Fast chargers which are the equivalent of gas station on most cars charge for 20 mins. But you need to use them very rarely. I charge 99% at home during the night which does not matter how long it takes (I have 3 phase 240v). And this is not new information yet it is new for you lol :)

Also EVs are at most 10% more expensive if you compare them with the car of the same equipment. Good luck paying 20 years for gas :) Again what kind of research you did???
Those fast chargers are NOT prevalent throughout the world - and 20 minutes is still 10 times longer than it takes to fill a gas tank. That's unacceptable for me (but I understand it's fine for lots of other people) - I have faith that this will change... but not for a few years at the least.

If I buy a $40,000 ICE car - the equivalent EV would cost closer to $50k... and while it may "pay for itself" over 20 years... I get interest on the 10k - to really "pay for itself" I would need closer to double the value back...
You know, when it comes down to it we agree on so many things, and even with the EVs we do, except for just a few points.
Really the only thing I would add is instead of needing an additional vehicle for vacations, for example, many EV owners just rent their cars for travel. And that was fairly common even before the electric.
I understand I'm not "most people"... I'm not arguing that electric is bad... it just isn't for me - yet!
 

Squid Surprise

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Wait. A colleague\friend in BC just got an $8,000 credit in April for her Model X.
She told me Canada's credit is higher than in the US in many cases.
Hmmm.... not in Ontario apparently... I had a Camry Hybrid back in 2007... and the hoops I had to jump through to get that credit almost made it not worth it...
 

8600M GT

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I like BMW's solution. Not that I'm likely to buy a BMW due to its price, but if I were in the market, $500 less and no touchscreen would be a nice option.

Hopefully VW can ramp up production. My car ought to be fine for quite some time, but when I eventually am in the market for a new car, 75% chance it'll be electric, 25% hybrid of some variety.

Thus I'm glad the demand is there... somewhat sad it means VW's unlikely to offer more models soon (id.3 in North America, please), but this is good news overall for the future of electric.
 

scavengerspc

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Hopefully VW can ramp up production. My car ought to be fine for quite some time, but when I eventually am in the market for a new car, 75% chance it'll be electric, 25% hybrid of some variety.
IF you are on the fence, try a plug in hybrid. You get all electric when you need it for jumping around town, but the smoke pump is available for very long trips.
 

8600M GT

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IF you are on the fence, try a plug in hybrid. You get all electric when you need it for jumping around town, but the smoke pump is available for very long trips.
The problem with that is I live in an apartment, and there's not a convenient way to charge a plug-in hybrid.

My driving pattern also doesn't necessarily line up with a plug-in hybrid. For a lot of jumping around town tasks, I walk or bicycle, so a high proportion of my driving is longer-distance highway driving that would exhaust a plug-in hybrid's battery fairly early on in the voyage.

When I did the math in 2018, I found that at that point, an efficient traditional hybrid like a Hyundai Ioniq or Honda Insight would save more gasoline than a plug-in hybrid for my driving, as the plug-in hybrids available at that time got worse mileage when running on gasoline than the traditional ones (something like 56 mpg vs 46 mpg). That might not be the case any more, and it always seemed odd to me that plug-in hybrids were notably worse in MPG once they needed gas than traditional hybrids. But it was the case in 2018.

I do wonder if there's an unaddressed sweet spot for plug-in hybrids with somewhere around 100 miles of range. Most today seem to target 25-40 miles of battery range, good enough for a daily city commute. 100 miles would make it more feasible for apartment dwellers; fill it up weekly at the grocer that has charging stations, and you might not use the gas engine very often. But maybe 100 miles of range + gas engine makes it economically uncompetitive versus electric-only cars with 250 miles of range. Still, I'd like to see someone try it, especially given that battery capacity availability seems to be limiting the rollout of electric cars currently.