Weekend Open Forum: To Ryzen or not to Ryzen?

[Bas Keur]

CHOKE ON YOUR LIES!!! I know for a fact Intel, AMD, Nvidia as well as all other hardware/software game developers are public work companies whose whole purpose it to further benefit the PC gaming world (the only reason to which one should ever even own a PC). They would never push out hardware/software with the sole intention of creating marketing hype to feed an insatiable appetite of "whiny, needy, gamers" demanding ever increased performance (be it real world, synthetic based, or just theoretical) so that PC gamers can puff out their white as milk concave chests to their PC gaming brethren.

For me personally, after decades of building PCs with parts from every brand I only upgrade when I need to attain the performance I want. There is a sweet spot for tech price/performance and the dollars spent increasing that performance are rarely if ever worth it to me. I will re-evaluate the PC hardware market when the new consoles come out since they drive PC gaming.

You are a funny guy, I will do no such thing.
Love the *whiny, needy, gamers* part, yet you find it most likely acceptable that in 2017 you are playing a brand spanking new $$ Nintendo's Switch with a native resolution that would make my mobile phone feel like it's something superior. (It's not, it's a phone) That's sad, that's truly sad. And don't come with that graphics over gameplay mojo, please.... when the NES, SNES, Megadrive game out, it made your jaw drop. This so called next gen stuff is choking to deliver you upscaled 720p @ 30fps. THAT IS INSULTING TO GAMERS. You don't have to own a quad Titan SLI 16 core beast, you can go midrange with a computer from the Aldi under the PS4-Pro budget and perform double. I truly see the market for consoles, I'm no fanboy for any camp here, but the Xbone/PS4 from today are nothing more then overpriced netflix streamers. BTW: PC Market is bigger, been bigger for years, don't make me google it =]

 

[Bas Keur]

Nope, the LCD TV is the "secondary" screen, where I can keep other things going while playing on the 900p monitor. Yes, a 120Hz or 144Hz monitor would be nice...for gaming...but I'm lucky to maybe play an hour or so a week, most of which ends up being Halo rather than BF4 (mainly because the load times for the servers is super long).

Gotcha, just checking =]
Just my 2c though, unlike most games, BF4 gets a insane performance boost by running it from an SSD, truly insane. Never quite understood why, but I loved being the first *in game* hopping in the plane hehehe. Unless you mean it's loosing it's player base, thus taking longer to start games. (I stopped playing a while back, because ... fatherhood and such

 

[dirtyferret]

You are a funny guy, I will do no such thing.
Love the *whiny, needy, gamers* part, yet you find it most likely acceptable that in 2017 you are playing a brand spanking new $$ Nintendo's Switch with a native resolution that would make my mobile phone feel like it's something superior. (It's not, it's a phone) That's sad, that's truly sad. And don't come with that graphics over gameplay mojo, please.... when the NES, SNES, Megadrive game out, it made your jaw drop. This so called next gen stuff is choking to deliver you upscaled 720p @ 30fps. THAT IS INSULTING TO GAMERS. You don't have to own a quad Titan SLI 16 core beast, you can go midrange with a computer from the Aldi under the PS4-Pro budget and perform double. I truly see the market for consoles, I'm no fanboy for any camp here, but the Xbone/PS4 from today are nothing more then overpriced netflix streamers. BTW: PC Market is bigger, been bigger for years, don't make me google it =]

1 - https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm - learn it, love it, live it. I was merely re-enforcing Cranky's comments but in a sarcastic way.
2 - "whiny, needy, gamers" was a copy from captain cranky's post hence the use of "parenthesis".
3 - I have no freaking clue to what you are talking about so I can't respond to the gibberish you just made me read. From the use of the the Nintendo switch to the hyperbole of current consoles being nothing more then Netflix streamers.
4 - What you seem to misconstrue is my statement of "I will re-evaluate the PC hardware market when the new consoles come out since they drive PC gaming." That is a fact as the vast majority of AAA PC titles that drives PC hardware/gamers to dizzying levels are console ports. Look at the current techspot suite of benchmark testing games, console ports primarily and has been for years.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1352-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/

Games developed strictly for the PC are better optimized and tend not to push hardware as much as their console port counterparts.
https://www.techspot.com/review/1180-overwatch-benchmarks/

5- now go run and play

 

[Bas Keur]

In this case I have good news, your CPU will be even faster soon.
Also, time & money you enjoy wasting isn't really wasted, well at least that's what I keep telling myself.

I had a MSI 980-TI Gaming card (at the time the highest scoring 980-TI), non ref blower with awesome backplate. Upgraded to the 1080 GTX which doesn't make much sense, but I helped out a friend by passing my 980-ti. That said, playing games in 1440p really got serious boosts, didn't expected that to be honest. And the 1080-TI benches are really impressive as well, guessing your going for 4K wanting to SLI those, or just for giggles. It's a hobby right ? (Confessing sin to your mastercard)

And when you have a mere 4770k @ 4,2Ghz and you only use it to play games.... forget about it you don't *need* it, but still. It's Intel's 1k flagship deskproc performance which MS is going to give a boost as windows seems to keep it down (see link) because of a bug. I love competition, there's one winner. You.

About that, don't you love the fact how these hoarders are selling them for titan-xp cards prices, god damn I got my 1080 GTX (G1 from Gigabyte Knowing messed up the 980-TI design with annoying coil whining) 2 months after it should be in stores, 100EU overpriced. Nobody had it.

 

[antiproduct]

My nearly 5 year old 3570K still works alright so I'm in no rush to upgrade. I might upgrade to Ryzen once the platform matures a bit more. I think the fact that AMD has a competitive product again makes me want to support them just to reduce the monopoly by Intel. Intel CPU performance has been quite stagnant for the past 5 years, so I don't really want to support them for not trying to be innovative just because they haven't had to be. So maybe this summer or fall I might build a new rig.

 

[Apogee777]

After a decade of no competition I think most of us have a powerful intel cpu.

3770k

yes, I couldn't wait when fallout 4 arrived, upgraded my Phenom quad to an i7 2600 setup for double the horses cheaply.
but there is no reason to stick with intel, as long as you have generally decent cpu grunt - latest graphics technology is far more interesting imo.
I am in NZ and hardware is expensive, so whatever gets the horses to fuel ones creativity and need for speed is going to be a budget consideration.

 

[wiyosaya]

I am happy with what I have seen from Ryzen so far, however, I have not changed my upgrade plans because of it. I am at least a year or two from another upgrade.

 

[ddferrari]

I'm sticking with what I've got under the hood for now- 3570K @ 4.4GHz, 16 GB DDR-3 ram. I mainly game offline (no multi-player) and surf, so my i5 is serving me well. DDR-4 isn't worth a new build alone, and sata SSD is still plenty fast for me.

I'm looking at high impact improvements at this point: a new GPU (1080 Ti) and perhaps a 3440x1440/100fps/Gsync curved monitor, once they start getting cheaper.

Nice to see AMD back in the fight, though.

 

[hapkiman]

Just made a new build with a i7-7700k and a GTX 1080 on a Z270 board with a Samsung M.2 as the boot drive. AMD Ryzen does not seem appealing to me at all, but I will be glad to see AMD try and give Intel some competition.

But there is nothing that I need that my i7-7700k can't do, and what it does - it does very well.

 

[Boilerhog146]

Nope.3930k @ 4.2 Ghz will last 3or4 more years.upgrading my sli 4gig GTX 670 .is my next upgrade.and a couple of faster ,larger ,ssd.

The socket 940 athlon fx processor I remember they were 1000 + dollars Canadian back in the day.

 

[milostuvic]

I have an i3 2120 and a AMD HD 7770. I was looking at a cheap new gaming PC and saw the Pentium G4560 (like an i3 much cheaper) that + an AMD RX 460. Now its worth the wait for me to see what the new Ryzen quad cores/ APU's will do, and if they are any good I will go for them. I am just a best bang for the buck fanboy‚ and from what have seen Ryzen will do just that: Drive the prices down and performance up. (Its a win win situation for me)

 

[Athlonite]

The lack of mother boards is all that is holding me back from going R7 1700X the likes of Asrock and MSI need to put out something to challenge the Asus Crosshair VI Hero so right now I'm playing a waiting game

 

[milostuvic]

I think that motherboard support will improve over time, and mb compatability will get better. + windows 10 will get a patch out to better support ryzen. (So I hope)

 

[GreenNova343]

CHOKE ON YOUR LIES!!! I know for a fact Intel, AMD, Nvidia as well as all other hardware/software game developers are public work companies whose whole purpose it to further benefit the PC gaming world (the only reason to which one should ever even own a PC). They would never push out hardware/software with the sole intention of creating marketing hype to feed an insatiable appetite of "whiny, needy, gamers" demanding ever increased performance (be it real world, synthetic based, or just theoretical) so that PC gamers can puff out their white as milk concave chests to their PC gaming brethren.

For me personally, after decades of building PCs with parts from every brand I only upgrade when I need to attain the performance I want. There is a sweet spot for tech price/performance and the dollars spent increasing that performance are rarely if ever worth it to me. I will re-evaluate the PC hardware market when the new consoles come out since they drive PC gaming.

You almost had be LOLing on the the first paragraph, particularly with the subtle use of sarcasm. & I'm firmly in agreement with you on the 2nd paragraph. For someone like me, where I love PC gaming but don't have the time to dedicate to it (& hence, my PC sees itself used more for non-gaming uses than gaming), building a system that can even run a dual-1440p monitor setup, let alone a triple 4K monitor setup, just isn't worth the money.

Gotcha, just checking =]
Just my 2c though, unlike most games, BF4 gets a insane performance boost by running it from an SSD, truly insane. Never quite understood why, but I loved being the first *in game* hopping in the plane hehehe. Unless you mean it's loosing it's player base, thus taking longer to start games. (I stopped playing a while back, because ... fatherhood and such

Don't think the player base is going away (I have a love/hate relationship with the 'wait queue' for the servers). It just seems like there's a lot of down time on the servers in between map changes, especially in comparison to games like Halo CE -- Halo has maybe a 5-10 second wait before the next map starts (even on the servers where they actually rotate the maps), while on BF4 I have time for a quick break to grab something to drink or go to the bathroom before the action starts (& not just if I'm joining the server mid-match, either). Maybe it's just the nature of the beast, though, since you're talking about massive 64-player maps vs. small 16-player maps (except Infinity on Halo...I loathe Infinity, especially in Race mode when there's never enough vehicles...).

 

[DDG4005]

Which is your given right, but it doesn't make much sense though =] Unless the 3770 is doing everything you wish, keep in mind the Ryzen is about -+ twice (!!) as fast. Pretty sure most of us have upgraded for less gain then that. If time is money & you work on your computer it's worthy investment. (Unlike lets say, a boat or a car)

I hear you but right now I can't afford to upgrade either of my boxes. The hardware in each one is more than sufficient for what I do (writing in Word, web-browsing, playing games, listening to music and watching movies). Each PC also runs a Titan X (Maxwell era) for gaming so I'll be good for the foreseeable future.

 

[mrjgriffin]

I despertly need new PC for productivity work but im thinhing of waiting Ryzen APU or go with Kaby lake, does anybody know what month to expext ryzen APUs?

I'd either wait for the ryzen apus to come out or just grab a low end ryzen thats currently out and pair it with an rx 480 or something to further the possibilities of your machine. of course im suggesting amd because I believe intel and nvidia have had their hands on the main share of the market for far too long but it's up to you

 

[Bas Keur]

I believe intel and nvidia have had their hands on the main share of the market for far too long but it's up to you

As do I, but let me tell you, a good mood, engineering degree & an AutoCAD Licence won't result in a RED/GREEN GPU destroyer anytime soon, and I actually have faith in you !! (unlike myself on that area.) At best you'll end up with some S3 trio sadness, but hey... you can open source it for karna =]