YouTube is limiting video views for ad-block users
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The message stated "ads help YouTube stay free for billions of users worldwide". Yeah, but you know what made Alphabet one of the wealthiest, most powerful companies ever to have existed in the history of the planet? Our data. Data that Alphabet collects from us with barely any acknowledgement much less any compensation to us. Those ads would be worthless without our data. If YouTube is requiring we pay for content, by being served ads or subscription fee, I have no issue with that. However, doing so and continuing to collect and profit from our data is thuggery. YouTube has valuable data, and we have valuable data, up until now it was understood to be a fair trade, our data for theirs. Ad blockers didn't prevent us from seeing all ads, they did and still do prevent the Internet from grinding to a halt because without them Chrome rapidly crashes from pop-ups and other malice. Criminal thuggery, this is what it is.
NumberSix
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The trouble is when figures like $29.2 billion are being talked about you just look greedy dont you. Make an ad free 1080p subscription for £2 a month and I am in.
Marco Mint
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I've no problems so far and not getting prompted at all. Also I wont be paying for youtube or watching any ads if it comes down to it at some stage. I'll circumvent the ads somehow or just not use youtube. I've never bought anything in any ads at anytime and my mind just auto blanks them when they're anywhere else like the tv. I'm aware they are there, just I give no attention to them at all.
Well, the content on youtube is pretty bad already. back in the 2010s, I could watch for hours because the videos taught me new ideas, new things, and cultures from the part of the world I've never been to. Now the free channels are just the same sh!t again and again. I cleared and turned off the history, and had better content recommendations for a while, but eventually got boring content again. I subscribed to a few paid channels and had to cancel because of the low quality of the content. I had fun when the geeks ruled the Internet.
Snowy
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Before all blocking extensions even exist we used a modified "hosts" Windows file for years. Just add an advertisement website there. So, how are they going to go against it? Example here
captaincranky
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Well, I have no need for an ad blocker on FF. I normally have both Opera and FF open at the same time. On the truly ancient rig I'm using at present, (Intel G-41 / Pentium E-2200 Q4/07), FF won't even pull 10 tabs without crashing.
Opera OTOH, (ATM) has something on the order of 120+ tabs open, and it's doing just fine. (Tab snoozing and Ad blocking are standard).
My initial query, was addressed to, whether or not, YouTube would address these blocking retaliatory measures, to their own Ad blocking solutions, since both Chrome and Opera both, (ostensibly), come equipped with Google's own blockers.
Opera's ad blocking, sometimes, but not very frequently, runs into a "drop your ad blocker or you can't view this page" notifications. I demure and simply navigate away to another site with the same information, (perhaps even copy/pasted), and don't bother getting d*cked around with "white listing", which I couldn't be bothered with. TBH, I'm not even sure I know how to do.
As you likely know, Ad blocker disguising, versus Ad blocker detecting is, and has been, an ongoing battle.
ZedRM
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This will backfire in Youtube's face in a bad way. This is not how to solve this problem. What Youtube needs to do is attach ad video's to the front of video's in a way that is seamless to the browser and thus can not be blocked. Such a tactic would be much more effective and less brain-dead.
Underdog
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I agree. A large proportion of it is pretty poor. I don't know how many fat gits are on there in a baseball cap showing us how to open a box or which end of a screwdriver to hold but I'm guessing its tens of thousands. People who think that level of content is worth paying for have more money than brain cells.
captaincranky
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What you're suggesting is a method for YouTube to force an endless string of ads down viewers throats. Granted, it could be done easily.
All that need be done, is put the ad and video on a timeline, and render it as a complete video. Is that really what you want? Do you work for Google?. Or are you a masochist?
The reason being, some of those ads can be multi minute affairs, many that have links which lead to 45+ minute spiels, (sorry "infomercials"), authored by "this week's self appointed expert", on everything from crap supposed electricity saving devises, (which don't work), to a fantastic new drone that the military doesn't want civilians to have, and of course, and endless supply of personal trainers and diet experts also claiming that, "those other big companies don'y want you to know the secrets I'm offering".And before I forget,"there's an array of paranoid, yet money hungry, "survivalists", huckstering their own magical food packets which will, "guarantee that you survive WWIII, even if it's nuclear".
Is that really what you want? Or what you think Google should do?
hwertz
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They better be careful though! I've never tried to block Youtubes ads... (I only ever blocked the banner ads that made unsolicited noise, which I don't know if any site has any more.) But the quantity of ads is getting out of control, and I have at times just quit watching due to excessive ad load. I pulled up a 5 minute video yesterday, and in youtube-fantasy-land they thought I was going to watch 1:30 of unskippable ads to watch a 5 minute video! Umm, nope! (Or maybe more, the 1:30 was up front before the video even started playing, maybe it was going to cut in 2 minutes in to show more ads.)
The one that drives me crazy, and plays CONSTANTLY on Youtube here (luckily skippable after 5 seconds), a local fiber optic provider (not in my neighborhood though!) has this ad where a kid is flailing around at random with a VR helmet on.. despite the VR helmet the game he's playing is also displayed on a giant TV. This guy walks in the front door, looks at the what is clearly a single-player game, then starts going off about how great their internet must be. I mean.. a) Downloading large games could use some speed, playing them online doesn't. b) Why wouldn't you at least show a 2-player game if you're using that as your example?
*sigh*. And I can't even get the service here anyway. The *other* fiber optic provider here in town (both moved in within the last year or two) is suppsoed to have my neighborhood wired by 2024.
Edit: I REALLY liked how Netflix did it years back (when they still had a free tier.) It asked if this ad is relevant to me or not, I think some you could thumbs up or thumbs down... and it actually used that info! Over time, it quit showing ads for like feminine pads and medications and whatever, started showing more ads for computer equipment and cars (and car parts stores and such).. eventually it even figured out I didn't like Hondas! That's some serious demographic info on me, should have made the advertisers happy since they had heavily targeted advertising then, and made it so I actually enjoyed watching the ads!
The one that drives me crazy, and plays CONSTANTLY on Youtube here (luckily skippable after 5 seconds), a local fiber optic provider (not in my neighborhood though!) has this ad where a kid is flailing around at random with a VR helmet on.. despite the VR helmet the game he's playing is also displayed on a giant TV. This guy walks in the front door, looks at the what is clearly a single-player game, then starts going off about how great their internet must be. I mean.. a) Downloading large games could use some speed, playing them online doesn't. b) Why wouldn't you at least show a 2-player game if you're using that as your example?
*sigh*. And I can't even get the service here anyway. The *other* fiber optic provider here in town (both moved in within the last year or two) is suppsoed to have my neighborhood wired by 2024.
Edit: I REALLY liked how Netflix did it years back (when they still had a free tier.) It asked if this ad is relevant to me or not, I think some you could thumbs up or thumbs down... and it actually used that info! Over time, it quit showing ads for like feminine pads and medications and whatever, started showing more ads for computer equipment and cars (and car parts stores and such).. eventually it even figured out I didn't like Hondas! That's some serious demographic info on me, should have made the advertisers happy since they had heavily targeted advertising then, and made it so I actually enjoyed watching the ads!
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YouTube is getting desperate.
The many years of baiting by YouTube has the costs pilling up and they are forced to do the switch and show their true face: aggressive ads even worse than old style tv broadcast for shitty content.
The concept is flawed at its very core: people don't want to pay for trash content like reactions on reactions from other people.
Buh bye YouTube!
The many years of baiting by YouTube has the costs pilling up and they are forced to do the switch and show their true face: aggressive ads even worse than old style tv broadcast for shitty content.
The concept is flawed at its very core: people don't want to pay for trash content like reactions on reactions from other people.
Buh bye YouTube!
ZedRM
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It's what they're doing anyway.
Don't be a drama queen. I'm not suggesting anything that does not happen already on OTA/Cable/Satellite/IPTV Broadcasts, except that I'm suggesting that YouTube mount the ads at the front of the video. The way companies currently do ads is completely unacceptable as it is needlessly invasive and often show content that is VERY objectionable.
This! It's pathetic and unacceptable. Ads should not constitute more than 6% of the total running time of the video being watched and further should not interupt the main content more that twice.
captaincranky
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Takes one to know one.
That would be fine, as long as they maintain the 5 second skip feature. So yes, putting all the ads in front of the video is fine, provided that the video and the ads are basically two distinct sections. As long as the ad section is still segmented, and it doesn't turn into a battle of will and determination between the snake oil sales force, and the viewer.
Incidentally, "front loading" is a term applied to OTA TV shows, where the first segment is fairly long, to suck you in, and then the segments leading to the "exciting conclusion" grow progressively shorter.
Of all places for it to be the most intrusive and annoying, is the CBS Nightly News. About the last three items, are 30 seconds long, one blurb each, with at least 2 minutes of ads between. Mercifully, I can turn it off at about the 24:00 minute mark. The ending, "human interest stories", don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. They just annoy the living crap out of me. (As you might expect).
ZedRM
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No no no... King. I am the King good sir...Takes one to know one.
Agreed.
Maybe?
captaincranky
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Verily my good monarch, I am the king of my mighty 14' frontage row castle as well.
I even have "servalisans" to tend to my every whim. ("servalis" is a small village just a few miles away from the city of "Felis".
Sometimes though, when I do ask anything of them, it's as frustrating as well, "trying to herd cats".
Being a king, have you ever considered changing your screen name to the more traditional, "Zed R"? Hmm, "Cranky R" has a nice ring to it. What thinkest thou?
Speaking of ads, the major OTA networks seem to attract myriad ambulance chasing shysters, an abundance. of HIV suppression wonder drug ads, (complete with some boy on boy action at the end), cures for psoriasis, and Buicks.
Some of the ads can be fun though. I like to sit back and try to guess how many pairs of Spanks the Toyota saleslady has under those black stretch pants. (She's had a kid or two during her tenure). But then along comes the ever nagging Flo from Progressive to jar me out of my reverie.
The US advertising industry has to be the most powerful propaganda machine in the world. Churning out colorful, lavishly produced, persuasive, and insidious subliminal messaging, I think it runs on the old Mary Poppins adage, "a spoonful of sugar makes the medicine go down".
Ostensibly, I think Chrome has built in ad blockers, (as does Chromium based Opera), it gives one pause to wonder if Google is going to block their own ad blocking.
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b1k3rdude
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Mark Fuller
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In the world of no competition, there is little else than youtube at this time. Granted there are other streaming sites, but there is little else I can find out there anywhere that offers quality video downloads for any price. Youtube's downloads are free, but there again if you want to do any serious downloading of a lot of videos, you really have to subscribe to both Youtube premium and the pro version of YTD downloader. If there are other sites where you can get quality video downloads, will someone please let me know.
b1k3rdude
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b1k3rdude
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Newpipe.
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