If you value the performance of a 4080 enough to pay $1,200 for it -- possibly because this may relate to your business -- aren't you pretty much guaranteed to be even more interested in the not only higher performing but also higher price/performance ratio 4090 for $1,600?
While I hope Nvidia will conclude $1,200 was too much for the 4080, I fear they'll rather conclude that $1,600 was too little for the 4090.
Well, I'll be honest with you. If they conclude that, they're slitting their own throats. I don't really care what GeForce cards cost because I don't buy them. The only thing I care about is nVidia giving AMD licence to become more expensive themselves.
The RTX 4080's job is not to sell. It's to be an absolutely ridiculous, *****ic value product so you buy (overpriced) leftover 3000 series stock instead.
Yep. Ironically, I feel
exactly the same way about the RX 7900 XT. They're both only there to make the XTX and 4090 look good, help to sell out the older cards and neither is worth their MSRPs.
Isn't it the 90/100 score card?
Well, it depends on who you ask. No other review site is remotely as impressed with the RTX 4080 as Techspot is, not even LTT.
Very strange that it is not selling anywhere.
I know eh? It's such a mystery!!!
AMD is mopping the floor right now. Good. I hope nVidia finds a way to actually lose money next quarter. But they won't because they don't really care about consumer GPU's anymore.
The reason they don't care about consumers is that consumers have shown them that it doesn't matter how bad nVidia behaves, these people will still throw money at them. Can we really blame nVidia for not caring about these people when they clearly don't even care about themselves?
This was Nvidia's mistake with the pricing of the 4080.
I don't believe that it was a mistake. They know
exactly what they're doing. They're exploiting the gullible who don't know better and they know that some people will pay it even if they do know better. They're trying to fleece who they can right now and then they'll drop the price a little, to much fanfare.
At 4K, the RTX 4090 is 30% faster than the 4080, with an MSRP that's 34% higher. People who want absolute performance, top-the-field kind, are more likely to ignore 4%. Plus the RTX megamodels have always been $1k or higher:
2080 Ti - $999
Titan RTX - $2499
3090 - $1499
3090 Ti - $1699
Yeah, and I have no issue with that. I also had no issue with the RX 6900 XT costing $350 more than the RX 6800 XT despite being only 9% faster. Halo models are for the people who want to spend more than they need to.
So, at face value, the 4090 looks like a far better choice in terms of perf-per-$, than any of the older models. The 4080, on the other hand, is 51% faster than the 3080 but with a 72% higher MSRP. As good as the card is, that's a mighty hard sell.
Assuming that we're excluding dangerous flaws, there's no such thing as a bad product, just bad prices.
Score has been
updated - it's now 80/100.
That's very respectable. If nVidia drops the price to what it's actually worth, it could even be deserving of that 80. There is a level at which it even deserves the 90 you gave it initially. I think that it deserves no more than 70/100 but I'm not saying that just because I hate nVidia. I don't think that the Radeon RX 7900 XT deserves more than 70/100 either.
Perhaps users are discovering that they can control the market and not the sellers. By holding back their hard earned $$ they can force these makers to start lowering prices, increasing quality, and knocking off all the BS and finally produce an affordable, high qualify, product ..... what a concept!!
This is what I've been trying to tell the noobs for over a decade. It's like trying to convince a zucchini of something. You can tell them the most ingenious truths about life but all they ever respond with is a blank stare.
@TimSchiesser
Why does every place that I read, when they make the table of the Ampere cards and they don't list the MSRP for the 3080 12GB model?
When the card first launched there was no MSRP given from Nvidia. The cards came out during the height of the crypt card, hard to get mania and they were posted for $1200 on retailer sites/stores. They sold instantly at that price and then scalpers were asking $1800+ for them.
Once things calmed, the MSRP was supplied for us and it is $799. It bugs me that no one uses that MSRP on those tables.
Probably a combination of things:
1. It makes nVidia look even worse.
2. The amount of 12GB cards sold is most likely a small fraction of the 10GB cards sold.
you're right, or thechspot need to use 2 scores, one for the technology / innovation, then the 90 and one for "real world usage for real ppl" -> abysmal
In their defence, they dropped it to 80.
You people complain about $1200 MSRP, in my country cheapest 4080 is $2000, VAT included.
I'm not complaining because I have no intention of buying it. Even if I were going to buy a card belonging to the upcoming generation, it would be a Radeon RX 7000 card.
No wonder nobody want's this card, pandemic and supply crysis is gone. People that wanted to upgrade already did buy at scalped prices. The ones left, like me will not spend the money asked for new cards.
I would not buy this even if it's below $700, not my budget for this component.
You're also smart enough to not dismiss Radeon cards and that works in your favour.
I will sure go with a used card, found some nice deals on RX6700 XT for about $300-350. Used but seller is giving also invoice and 1 year left warranty papers. Now this is what I call a good deal.
Absolutely! The RX 6700 XT has 12GB of VRAM, more than the original RTX 3080. That card would last you a good long while and I've seen it ranked as perhaps the best value out there today:
People are not buying it so bad that it's sold out everywhere.
It is? I don't believe that for a second!:
Canada Computers: 173 in stock (across Canada)
Memory Express (Ontario Region Alone): 60 in stock
Microcenter Locations:
Houston: 12 in stock
Boston: 10 in stock
New York City Area:
Brooklyn: 65 in stock
Flushing: 36 in stock
North Jersey: 20 in stock
Yonkers: 50 in stock
So, like, what is your definition of "sold out" and what is your definition of "everywhere"?
