Apple called Android a "massive tracking device" in revealed internal documents

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What just happened? Documents released by the US Department of Justice have revealed that senior Apple executives once blasted Android as a "massive tracking device." The disclosure was part of the ongoing Google antitrust trial, which centers around the company's dominant position in search, and how it's retained such a massive market share despite the presence of Bing, DuckDuckGo, and other prominent competitors.

The allegation against Android was reportedly part of a presentation slide sent by Apple executive Eddy Cue to the company's CEO, Tim Cook, in 2013, and seems to show the disdain that many Apple executives have for its only competitor in the mobile space. Other slides shown during the trial quote then-Google CEO Eric Schmidt admitting that Google hasn't always respected user privacy the way it should. According to one statement attributed to Schmidt, Google's policy is to "get right up to the creepy line but not cross it."

Most of the other juicy bits were redacted before the documents were released for public consumption, but they also alluded to Facebook's tracking of users even if they opt out, and Google's Street View's recordings of private Wi-Fi communications. Some of the other slides contrasted these behaviors to Apple's own approach to privacy, which includes keeping Siri and Apple Maps ad-free to safeguard user data.

However, for all the shade Apple threw at Google, it remains the default search engine on the Safari browser on all Apple platforms, including the iPhone, iPad, and Mac. Google will to pay Apple around $19 billion this year alone to remain the default search choice on its devices. Eddy Cue testified during the trial that the company favors Google as the default search option because "we've always thought it was the best."

During the trial, it's been revealed more information about how much Google pays to other tech companies to retain its mammoth market share. Last month, Google's Senior VP of search, Prabhakar Raghavan, admitted that the search giant paid some $26 billion in 2021 to be the default search engine on various mobile phones and web browsers.

Some of the beneficiaries of Google's payments include device manufacturers like Apple, LG, Motorola, and Samsung, carriers such as AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon, and browser developers like Mozilla, Opera, and UCWeb. However, Google denies that these payments are meant to prevent users from changing the default search option on any device or app. Their take is that people can easily set their own preferred search provider with a few clicks on every platform.

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Neither respects my right to actually own my phone, so it doesn't really matter too much to me. At least with Android, I can customize the tracking out of it if I wanted.
 
Neither respects my right to actually own my phone, so it doesn't really matter too much to me. At least with Android, I can customize the tracking out of it if I wanted.
Can we, though? I feel like without a custom phone OS, they'll still just track us however they want. I'm considering getting the Nothing phone for the performance, despite my entire family urging me to get a dang iphone for "imessage." Apple is despicable for not adopting RCS, and I refuse to BUY a dang iphone because they choose to stay in SMS.
 
Can we, though? I feel like without a custom phone OS, they'll still just track us however they want. I'm considering getting the Nothing phone for the performance, despite my entire family urging me to get a dang iphone for "imessage." Apple is despicable for not adopting RCS, and I refuse to BUY a dang iphone because they choose to stay in SMS.
Googles implementation of RCS sucks, and their encryption is not open source. Why on earth would apple adopt closed source Google code?
 
Can we, though? I feel like without a custom phone OS, they'll still just track us however they want. I'm considering getting the Nothing phone for the performance, despite my entire family urging me to get a dang iphone for "imessage." Apple is despicable for not adopting RCS, and I refuse to BUY a dang iphone because they choose to stay in SMS.
Going for a different OS is the main way. But you can't properly jailbreak an iPhone last I heard, so a non-iPhone is the only way (assuming you don't go for and Android where they lock down the bootloader).

And yeah, such a stupid status symbol in North America. You'd think that the worst messaging app (if only because of how few platforms it supports) wouldn't be so popular...
 
Googles implementation of RCS sucks, and their encryption is not open source. Why on earth would apple adopt closed source Google code?
I legitimately didn't know that - thank you for the info. Honestly, I despise Google and their shenanigans. Proprietary nonsense either way....
 
It's more the case of the lesser of two evils. Google's whole reason for existence is advertising and this requires tracking and selling all your data. Apple may do the same thing to a lesser extent, but at least that's not their business model. I have little faith in any giant tech company but Google is about as bad as it gets. I am contemplating getting off Android when I next update my phone circa 2025.

Such a shame Ubuntu for phones never went anywhere. Maybe if we ever see Risc-V based phones Linux has a future. Then again maybe not. LOL
 
I've seen many iPhone users use mainly Google services, maps, search, YouTube and such. There are many ways to get tracked and the best way to avoid it is to avoid using these services altogether while using custom Android without Google services.

Guess how many people will actually do this? Almost none, they just like to **** on people online about how their service is better while they are all getting tracked.
 
It's more the case of the lesser of two evils. Google's whole reason for existence is advertising and this requires tracking and selling all your data. Apple may do the same thing to a lesser extent, but at least that's not their business model. I have little faith in any giant tech company but Google is about as bad as it gets. I am contemplating getting off Android when I next update my phone circa 2025.

Such a shame Ubuntu for phones never went anywhere. Maybe if we ever see Risc-V based phones Linux has a future. Then again maybe not. LOL
When my current phone dies or I get enough projects completed, I'm moving to GrapheneOS. It's security and privacy focused, sandboxes apps/services, and keeps apps from getting access to hardware identifiers among other things.
 
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