That's exactly the point I was going to bring up. The Battlefield series was masterful because it combined games like Rainbow Six with games like Unreal Tournament, it's both realistic and has an arcade game FPS sense to it. The difference between Battlefield and Unreal Tournament is that there is strategy in Battlefield, which makes it so much more immersive than games like Quake and Unreal. But, it's not as strategic as an RTS or something, that's why it's so good. It can be played either way, full-blown strategizing or just run-around-and-shoot-everyone-you-can madness. I'm not saying that's bad, but Battlefield will sure stay on my machine alot longer than games like Unreal. I still have 1942 installed, as well as Vietnam. I still like UT though, I'm gonna get it soon, it's fun while it lasts but it gets really old really fast. And the statement about Battlefield not coming with a map editor is completely false. Battlecraft Vietnam is included with Battlefield Vietnam, as well as a Mod tool and a couple other things that I can't remember.