Bill Gates thinks Elon Musk should keep his Coronavirus comments to himself

dotnon

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Even brain-dead people understand that when you double the testing, you're going to uncover twice as many cases.
*sigh*

No one with any sense is denying that more testing means more positive test results.

The important number, that people use to get a feel for the problem, is the positive test rate. So you take the number of positive tests, divide it by the total number of tests, and you get some idea of infection rate in your population.

Testing more or less doesn't change the meaning of this number. It just makes it more or less accurate. Test 100% of the population at the same instant, and you know the infection rate precisely. Test 0% and you have no idea. But the relationship is not linear. Testing fractions of 1% of a large population, and doing it regularly, can give a pretty good impression of the infection rate over time. Break it down by location and you can track clusters and spread.

Hopefully you can see why arguing that infection rates aren't comparable, because the US tests more (on which, as a proportion of population, it is behind the UK, Russia and Qatar), is unhelpful.

Remember that Covid has a 99.7 survival rate, and the great majority of cases are totally asymptomatic.
0.3% of the population of the US is more than 900,000 people. Are you really so callous that you would make no personal sacrifice for that many lives?
 

candle_86

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Gates should keep his mouth shut, he has ties to the Wuhan lab that created this virus. If gates is loosing so much money on it why is his networth increasing so fast. You want facts go watch the video from America's front line doctors, they are the actual experts, they've been at the front lines of this whole thing, not gates, not fuaci. They have actual facts, and no often how many times the video is taken down it will be reuploaded because social media is in bed with big pharma and gates.

Gates should do the whole world a favor and go retire on a desert island instead of trying to hide the truth.
 
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TheBigFatClown

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ITS ALL A LIE!!! I've been to 20 states including Florida for the last 3 weeks and NEVER wore a mask or social distanced. With all the gas pumps I've touched and all the people I've smoked weed with I still haven't gotten sick. So either it's not as contagious as everyone says cuz I've interacted with over 10,000 people. OR it's no different than the flu which I haven't had in over 8 years! Wake up people this is NOT a big deal! and wearing a mask all the time will kill you if you are wearing cotton ones due to micro mold. And the other ones don't even help after 20min of use.
Well, it's not all a lie. That's how they're able to orchestrate this plan and deceive so many people. They mix lies with truth. Real viruses, real people dying but then they add this over-the-top, exaggerated to the extreme extra stuff to try and scare people to death. Trying to make them think that they can't go out of their house ever again without wearing a mask.
They try to exaggerate the deaths, they post a news story on television every 20 minutes like it matters. Since when did we sit around and count cases and deaths every 20 minutes in the past?

This whole corona virus charade is being executed by the rich and powerful to steal all liberties and control the population through fear. The end goal is complete population control and a gap so wide between the rich and the poor that it can never be reconciled again.

Insect politics. Privilege, money, and power inherited because of who you are, who you know, not your abilities or what you can do.

Conspiratorial? Yep! Does that somehow negate the possibility I'm right? Nope. It's pretty clear how wacky this become. And some people still live in fear. The government is conditioning this behavior through the mandated mask wearing and the social distancing. Social distancing to make us fear each other and reduce our voice. Because they know that there is incredible power in numbers. United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
 

TheBigFatClown

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If you are Elon you are entitled to an opinion, but you must keep in mind that your opinion could have influence on many people because you are Elon musk, a supposedly clever man.
So you should think twice before downplaying a virus.
And if you're Bill Gates who owns stock in vaccines you should think twice before exaggerating the seriousness of a virus by a factor of 100. The case fatality rate tells us it's no worse than any other virus in the past. Mask wearing and social distancing is the silliest guidelines I've ever heard in my life.
 

dotnon

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Well, it's not all a lie.
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I'd try to reply with some sense, but there's nothing in this post that can be refuted as it's all completely hand-wavy generalisations.

One thing I can agree with:

Privilege, money, and power inherited because of who you are, who you know, not your abilities or what you can do.
But there are far simpler explanations for that than "virus created in lab to scare population into submission". If anything, it has had the opposite effect and made a lot of powerful people look really silly. And it doesn't take much power of deduction to realize that a global pandemic is against pretty much everyone's interests, and makes no sense as a tool for the powerful to wield (unless you're on the side of the planet.... maybe it was the greenies!!!! /s).

One thing you eventually learn in life is that the rich and powerful are just people, with all the same flaws and biases as the rest of us. Just look in the mirror - you don't need conspiracy theories to explain why the world is the way it is.
 

MaxSmarties

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Gates should keep his mouth shut, he has ties to the Wuhan lab that created this virus. If gates is loosing so much money on it why is his networth increasing so fast. You want facts go watch the video from America's front line doctors, they are the actual experts, they've been at the front lines of this whole thing, not gates, not fuaci. They have actual facts, and no often how many times the video is taken down it will be reuploaded because social media is in bed with big pharma and gates.

Gates should do the whole world a favor and go retire on a desert island instead of trying to hide the truth.
Lol... I stopped at “wuhan lab that created the virus”.
Ignorance is bliss.
 

MaxSmarties

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And if you're Bill Gates who owns stock in vaccines you should think twice before exaggerating the seriousness of a virus by a factor of 100. The case fatality rate tells us it's no worse than any other virus in the past. Mask wearing and social distancing is the silliest guidelines I've ever heard in my life.
You clearly don’t have any knowledge on the matter...
 

Ben1978

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Gates should keep his mouth shut, he has ties to the Wuhan lab that created this virus. If gates is loosing so much money on it why is his networth increasing so fast. You want facts go watch the video from America's front line doctors, they are the actual experts, they've been at the front lines of this whole thing, not gates, not fuaci. They have actual facts, and no often how many times the video is taken down it will be reuploaded because social media is in bed with big pharma and gates.

Gates should do the whole world a favor and go retire on a desert island instead of trying to hide the truth.
Gates created a product that allowed him to gain a virtual monopoly on operating systems. Smart businessman, but easy to hate because of monopolistic practises. But now apparently he has helped to bioengineer a virus that has been unleashed upon the world simply so he can profit from it. Is that the story?
 

dotnon

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And if you're Bill Gates who owns stock in vaccines you should think twice before exaggerating the seriousness of a virus by a factor of 100. The case fatality rate tells us it's no worse than any other virus in the past. Mask wearing and social distancing is the silliest guidelines I've ever heard in my life.
If mask-wearing is the silliest guideline you've ever heard I want to live in your world - it must be the most sensible place ever conceived.

Where are you getting your information? Is it not obvious that this virus kills people, and that wearing a mask helps limit its spread?

This may be posted to /r/funny, but it's a good way to think about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/gaj2a3
 

MaxSmarties

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Gates created a product that allowed him to gain a virtual monopoly on operating systems. Smart businessman, but easy to hate because of monopolistic practises. But now apparently he has helped to bioengineer a virus that has been unleashed upon the world simply so he can profit from it. Is that the story?
You forgot about the story he was helped by aliens from Area 51/s
 

Rayneofpayne

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Overall unless your a Virologist you should keep your mouth shut as even the CDC and WHO have shown the lack of scientific and medical knowledge is astounding to the point of ignorance.

Unless you qualify keep your thoughts to yourself, that includes any celebrity or tech guru, if your IQ is high enough you should know not to speak about areas you aren't qualified to speak in or out about.
 
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MaxSmarties

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Overall unless your a Virologist you should keep your mouth shut as even the CDC and WHO have shown the lack of scientific and medical knowledge is astounding to the point of ignorance.

Unless you qualify keep your thoughts to yourself, that includes any celebrity or tech guru, if your IQ is high enough you should know not to speak about areas you aren't qualified to speak in or out about.
WHO or CDC were facing a new virus, with very few data available and most of Those data were manipulated by Chinese government. Their mistakes are understandable. A virologist is not a genius, he need data and observations, and a change of strategy over the months is quite normal. Latest indications are the most correct because they reflect the last data available.
 
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Rayneofpayne

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WHO or CDC were facing a new virus, with very few data available and most of Those data were manipulated by Chinese government. Their mistakes are understandable. A virologist is not a genius, he need data and observations, and a change of strategy over the months is quite normal. Latest indications are the most correct because they reflect the last data available.
All this is well and good till you have it out of China and still no data over 6+moths later the virus hit the US all the way back in November of 2019......did scientific method get thrown out the window, genius or not it's their field of expertise, hence, no one beyond them is qualified and yet the way this was handled by the medical community was ultimately shameless, the political side is bad enough.
The medical community as a whole has gotten lazy and fat off insurance and government checks with little results in the wake of this. Like it or not the fact of the matter is this is as bad as it is because of their failures.
 

MaxSmarties

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All this is well and good till you have it out of China and still no data over 6+moths later the virus hit the US all the way back in November of 2019......did scientific method get thrown out the window, genius or not it's their field of expertise, hence, no one beyond them is qualified and yet the way this was handled by the medical community was ultimately shameless, the political side is bad enough.
The medical community as a whole has gotten lazy and fat off insurance and government checks with little results in the wake of this. Like it or not the fact of the matter is this is as bad as it is because of their failures.
Their failures are true and undeniable, but 6 months is a very short timeframe for this kind of studies.
medical community in Europe don’t depend on insurances like in US, and was hit first. Still they made mistakes and changed route many times in the last six months. Now virus seems to be under control in Europe (not completely, but surely better than in US and South America), but they made mistakes too.
the virus caught us unprepared. We have to learn something from this pandemic and we are lucky this virus isn’t so deadly as it could have been. Otherwise deaths could have been counted in millions...
 
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candle_86

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Their failures are true and undeniable, but 6 months is a very short timeframe for this kind of studies.
medical community in Europe don’t depend on insurances like in US, and was hit first. Still they made mistakes and changed route many times in the last six months. Now virus seems to be under control in Europe (not completely, but surely better than in US and South America), but they made mistakes too.
the virus caught us unprepared. We have to learn something from this pandemic and we are lucky this virus isn’t so deadly as it could have been. Otherwise deaths could have been counted in millions...
the only take away from this virus is the left wont waste any chance to hurt the american people
 

richcz3

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The vaccines are being Fast Tracked and people have every right to be aware of the implications of this sped up process.

It does not involve any level of conspiracy theory to know that under the best of conditions it regularly takes years to develop a safe/effective vaccine. They are trying to formulate one in 10 to 18 months.

High risk individuals and older adults who are concerned about contracting Covid 19 have every right to to take the vaccine when its made available, so long as they are clearly informed of the risks involved in doing so.

There is a reason they want indemnity for the pharmaceutical makers developing the Covid 19 vaccines. Indemnity frees pharma from legal obligation as a result from adverse/lethal side effects. Anything that is rushed and is expected to be used on mass populations needs to be upfront with that populace about the increased risks.

 

MaxSmarties

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The vaccines are being Fast Tracked and people have every right to be aware of the implications of this sped up process.

It does not involve any level of conspiracy theory to know that under the best of conditions it regularly takes years to develop a safe/effective vaccine. They are trying to formulate one in 10 to 18 months.

High risk individuals and older adults who are concerned about contracting Covid 19 have every right to to take the vaccine when its made available, so long as they are clearly informed of the risks involved in doing so.

There is a reason they want indemnity for the pharmaceutical makers developing the Covid 19 vaccines. Indemnity frees pharma from legal obligation as a result from adverse/lethal side effects. Anything that is rushed and is expected to be used on mass populations needs to be upfront with that populace about the increased risks.

That’sa real risk for sure. Developing and testing of a vaccine can take up to 10 years.
But as far as I know they are working on already existing (and tested) vaccines, slightly modified to fight Covid. That COULD reduce the risk, but clearly cannot eliminate it.
 

thewind

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What a genius!
It didn’t happen to me so it doesn’t exist.
We are all the same. The reason we have so much cancer now is cuz people eat way to much sugar and are fat. Go to they gym work out and don't smoke. If you die it's your own fault. My parents are in their 70s and I've been around them and they haven't gotten sick in years. They are vegan too.
 

thewind

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Ignorance is a bliss.
Not ignorance, just way smarter than most people.
Ignorance is a bliss.
Not ignorant just way way smarter than literally 99% of people. Over 18 million native Americans died of the flu. The flu today is 10x stronger than it was 300 years ago. So why aren't we dieing? Well technically we are 650,000 people die from the flu each year. But there are more people living today than 300 years ago so why the low percentage then? Cuz of herd immunity. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Stop using sanitizer cuz thats not natural. Don't use face masks cuz that will kill you. And don't social distance cuz you need bacteria to develop a healthy immune system. 8 years I haven't been sick. If you get sick a lot its 99% cuz you use sanitizer and probably don't get enough sunlight. We weren't made to be inside all the time.
 

thewind

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People like him are one of the reasons why the virus spread so easily. Not-me people who thinks they are untouchable, who thinks they have rights but not duties.
You wrote about Ebola above. Well Ebola is not easily spreadable as COVID mostly because when you get it, you feel sick almost immediately. So sick you can’t really go anywhere to spread the virus. Covid-19 is much more subtle and a lot of people are infecting others without even knowing. Not to speak about irresponsible ones like the genius above (or even worse the ones ignoring mild symptoms and keep having social contacts).
And I hope I spread it to the whole world. Facts if you are in your 20s you are 2.13x more likely to die in a car crash than die from covid 19. Fact over 18 million native Americans died from the flu and its stronger now that it was back then but even though 650,000 people still die from it a year its a very low % because of herd imunity that you don't get from social distancing. Fact cotton masks trap the moisture from your breath and create micro-mold that can make you super sick and even kill you. I haven't been sick in over 8 years cuz I don't use anti bacterial soaps or disinfectant and I rarely wash my hands. Your body needs bacteria to have a healthy immune system. Go take a science class on Mico biology cuz I have and know way way more than you.
 
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thewind

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*sigh*

No one with any sense is denying that more testing means more positive test results.

The important number, that people use to get a feel for the problem, is the positive test rate. So you take the number of positive tests, divide it by the total number of tests, and you get some idea of infection rate in your population.

Testing more or less doesn't change the meaning of this number. It just makes it more or less accurate. Test 100% of the population at the same instant, and you know the infection rate precisely. Test 0% and you have no idea. But the relationship is not linear. Testing fractions of 1% of a large population, and doing it regularly, can give a pretty good impression of the infection rate over time. Break it down by location and you can track clusters and spread.

Hopefully you can see why arguing that infection rates aren't comparable, because the US tests more (on which, as a proportion of population, it is behind the UK, Russia and Qatar), is unhelpful.


0.3% of the population of the US is more than 900,000 people. Are you really so callous that you would make no personal sacrifice for that many lives?
No I wouldn't cuz long term it will cost way more than those lives. 18 million native Americans died of the flu. Today only 650,000 people die of it. Why herd immunity. You don't get that from social distancing. Your body needs bacteria to develop a healthy immune system. If you put yourself in a bubble the virus will get stronger while your immune system will go down. Stronger virus with lower immune system equals a higher chance of death. I'd rather have a 99.7 chance of living now which it's actually a 99.993 chance if you are in your 20s than wait 5 years to get it and trust me you will eventually get it and have only a 90 or even 80% chance of survival. Wake up people.
 
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thewind

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If mask-wearing is the silliest guideline you've ever heard I want to live in your world - it must be the most sensible place ever conceived.

Where are you getting your information? Is it not obvious that this virus kills people, and that wearing a mask helps limit its spread?

This may be posted to /r/funny, but it's a good way to think about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/gaj2a3
This is a terrible and stupid way to think about it. A virus is super super small. Let me make another suggestion. When I fart I bet you will smell it and guess what thats fecal matter you are smelling. So if you can smell that after it goes through my underwear, my pants, and travels over 6 feet and goes through your mask how the hell do you think a virus that is over 10x smaller is not going to make it through? On top of that if you wear a cloth mask that will trap moisture and create micro mold which can kill you! Not including you don't get hurd imunity from social distancing and wearing a mask lowers your oxygen intake which lowers your immune system. I got an A+ in Microbiology in college I know a thing or 2 about viruses and most people are being brainwashed.
 
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