Bill Gates thinks Elon Musk should keep his Coronavirus comments to himself

nnguy2

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I'll go out on a limb here and guess that the "He" you're referring to is Bill Gates. Elon Musk made a point about the case fatality rate. I think it's also called the mortality rate. But it's only fake news if it's a lie. If we have millions of cases of COVID-19 and small amounts of death then there is no real pandemic. It was all a well orchestrated planned move to scare the world into begging for a vaccine. With a CFR that is ridiculous low I have complete respect, but at the same time, zero fear of corona virus. So, I think you can guess my viewpoint on what Bill Gates can do with his vaccines.
That's a hot take, but the wrong take.
 

Tantor

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That's a hot take, but the wrong take.
It's actually the correct take. The US has by far the most tests. Even brain-dead people understand that when you double the testing, you're going to uncover twice as many cases. Remember that Covid has a 99.7 survival rate, and the great majority of cases are totally asymptomatic.

Cases in Europe are down to almost nothing right now. Especially Sweden, which didn't even lock down.
 
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nnguy2

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It's actually the correct take. The US has by far the most tests. Even brain-dead people understand that when you double the testing, you're going to uncover twice as many cases. Remember that Covid has a 99.7 survival rate, and the great majority of cases are totally asymptomatic.

Cases in Europe are down to almost nothing right now. Especially Sweden, which didn't even lock down.
It's ok, math and percentages are hard.
 
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p51d007

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Hey Bill, for now, we still live in a nation, the United States, that has a bill of RIGHTS. Rights, which government, for now, cannot take away.
Once you and your globalist take over (hopefully long after I depart this Earth), you and your globalist buddies can make whatever rules you want.
Until that time, STUFF IT! He can say whatever he wants!
 

MaxSmarties

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I've read something about this too, that somebody is injecting false info about rising positive results. Or more precisely it was: "SCIENCE FRAUD: Florida Gov. DeSantis calls for investigation into why people are testing “positive” for coronavirus tests they never received"

Dunno why everybody's trusting Bill Gates more, he will be the reason why COVI-PASS will become mandatory. The new vaccines, not only may still contain dangerous ingredients that increase dementia and cancer risk (Not many know that people started hating vaccines because of toxic ingredient that caused too many children being born with autism one year. Ask the victims. And not because they are just dumb as 99.98% LOVE to believe.), the new DNA-altering technology, mRNA vaccination, turns people into genetically modified property, that can be patented by corporations. And to improve mass control, they will do it.
Life is like in the movie Mission Impossible 2, but, there is no immortal hero to stop it, so Big Pharma, oligarchs, can do whatever they want.
"conspiracy theory", "fake news", doesn't matter, oligarchs will reach their goal. The mass is artificially bred, with more advanced methods, only to serve. And there will never be an immortal super hero. Fate accepted.

All these oligarchs in media, Musk, Gates, Trump, they just put up an act. They all work together. Always have. Entertainment for the masses. The mass loves it.
You forgot about aliens in Area 51...
 
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MaxSmarties

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It's actually the correct take. The US has by far the most tests. Even brain-dead people understand that when you double the testing, you're going to uncover twice as many cases. Remember that Covid has a 99.7 survival rate, and the great majority of cases are totally asymptomatic.

Cases in Europe are down to almost nothing right now. Especially Sweden, which didn't even lock down.
Sweden is one of the few European nations still considered “dangerous” by surrounding government, BECAUSE of their actions.
Sweden total infections/millions of population is way higher than France or Italy , while tot tests/millions of population is way lower than in Italy or France.
So Sweden is a good example as NOT TO face a pandemic.
 

MaxSmarties

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EDIT: Sorry, I just noticed you said you respected the virus. I'll leave the comment up though cos it took ten mins to write!!
If u have zero fear of Corona virus you should read the reports on those who thought the same just before they died of it. I agree it's thankfully a very small CFR but for a small portion of those who contract it, it's vicious. The vaccines are being developed to allow humanity to deal with the disease without around 0.5 to 1% of those who contract it dying from it before herd immunity is reached, and many more enduring hospitalisation and severe illness. As I have had multiple vaccines over my lifetime to protect me from other serious viruses and diseases, many of which I had only a tiny chance of contracting (Japanese encephalitis for example), I'm very much looking forward to when a safe vaccine is made available to allow the world to return to normal. I do accept btw the argument that just letting everyone get infected while protecting the vulnerable might actually be a reasonable path to take, but I don't accept the conspiracy theory nonsense that Bill Gates philanthropy on disease is actually just a megalomaniac play for world domination.
I saw hospitals with sick people dying in Europe, so NO, herd immunity is not the way. A small percentage still means MILLIONS of people dying and hospitals paralyzed (how many treatments were suspended due to the COVID?).

I’m wondering what these naysayers would say if they will got the virus eventually.
 

TheBigFatClown

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I saw hospitals with sick people dying in Europe, so NO, herd immunity is not the way. A small percentage still means MILLIONS of people dying and hospitals paralyzed (how many treatments were suspended due to the COVID?).

I’m wondering what these naysayers would say if they will got the virus eventually.
Wait, you've seen sick people dying in hospitals? Imagine that. Who woulda thunk it? You know what you've taught me today? I have a better chance of not dying if I stay away from hospitals. Thank You!
 

TheBigFatClown

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Sweden is one of the few European nations still considered “dangerous” by surrounding government, BECAUSE of their actions.
Sweden total infections/millions of population is way higher than France or Italy , while tot tests/millions of population is way lower than in Italy or France.
So Sweden is a good example as NOT TO face a pandemic.
Wait...I'm confused...what statistic are you bandying about? The ratio of the cases to the population? So, a meaningless statistic? What is the CFR for Sweden?
 

Ben1978

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I saw hospitals with sick people dying in Europe, so NO, herd immunity is not the way. A small percentage still means MILLIONS of people dying and hospitals paralyzed (how many treatments were suspended due to the COVID?).

I’m wondering what these naysayers would say if they will got the virus eventually.
If the vulnerable can be protected, care homes etc, and everyone can be educated to build up their immune systems with vitamin D supplements etc, and if therapeutics can continue to be discovered, then herd immunity could be the most efficient way to return to normal given that this disease has a fatality rate of under 1%. This isn't ebola but the economic and social consequences of 1 to 2 years of lockdown until a vaccine can be delivered en masse are also huge. I definitely don't think Sweden's approach of let's try herd immunity first was wise, but with what we know now a more educated herd immunity system MIGHT be viable. But I'm just a couch expert
 

Ben1978

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It's actually the correct take. The US has by far the most tests. Even brain-dead people understand that when you double the testing, you're going to uncover twice as many cases. Remember that Covid has a 99.7 survival rate, and the great majority of cases are totally asymptomatic.

Cases in Europe are down to almost nothing right now. Especially Sweden, which didn't even lock down.
It's testing per capita that's important, not overall number of tests.
 
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thewind

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ITS ALL A LIE!!! I've been to 20 states including Florida for the last 3 weeks and NEVER wore a mask or social distanced. With all the gas pumps I've touched and all the people I've smoked weed with I still haven't gotten sick. So either it's not as contagious as everyone says cuz I've interacted with over 10,000 people. OR it's no different than the flu which I haven't had in over 8 years! Wake up people this is NOT a big deal! and wearing a mask all the time will kill you if you are wearing cotton ones due to micro mold. And the other ones don't even help after 20min of use.
 

Ben1978

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ITS ALL A LIE!!! I've been to 20 states including Florida for the last 3 weeks and NEVER wore a mask or social distanced. With all the gas pumps I've touched and all the people I've smoked weed with I still haven't gotten sick. So either it's not as contagious as everyone says cuz I've interacted with over 10,000 people. OR it's no different than the flu which I haven't had in over 8 years! Wake up people this is NOT a big deal! and wearing a mask all the time will kill you if you are wearing cotton ones due to micro mold. And the other ones don't even help after 20min of use.
Oh dear. If only the scientists would wake up and realise that anecdotal evidence is the best kind. Then we could all go about our business potentially infecting others and not even realising we had it due to being asymptomatic. And if we did actually catch a bad case we could at least die knowing we didn't waste our last few months on Earth wearing a mask and curtailing our freedoms to do whatever the hell we like.
 

MaxSmarties

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If the vulnerable can be protected, care homes etc, and everyone can be educated to build up their immune systems with vitamin D supplements etc, and if therapeutics can continue to be discovered, then herd immunity could be the most efficient way to return to normal given that this disease has a fatality rate of under 1%. This isn't ebola but the economic and social consequences of 1 to 2 years of lockdown until a vaccine can be delivered en masse are also huge. I definitely don't think Sweden's approach of let's try herd immunity first was wise, but with what we know now a more educated herd immunity system MIGHT be viable. But I'm just a couch expert
You are right, I’m not asking for extensive lockdown. That was initially necessary in some areas due to overwhelmed hospitals, but it’s not sustainable in the long time.
But basic measures like social distancing and improved hygiene are a little bit expensive than nothing, but still effective in keeping the virus under control.
 
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MaxSmarties

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ITS ALL A LIE!!! I've been to 20 states including Florida for the last 3 weeks and NEVER wore a mask or social distanced. With all the gas pumps I've touched and all the people I've smoked weed with I still haven't gotten sick. So either it's not as contagious as everyone says cuz I've interacted with over 10,000 people. OR it's no different than the flu which I haven't had in over 8 years! Wake up people this is NOT a big deal! and wearing a mask all the time will kill you if you are wearing cotton ones due to micro mold. And the other ones don't even help after 20min of use.
What a genius!
It didn’t happen to me so it doesn’t exist.
 

MaxSmarties

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Wait, you've seen sick people dying in hospitals? Imagine that. Who woulda thunk it? You know what you've taught me today? I have a better chance of not dying if I stay away from hospitals. Thank You!
We have another phenomenon here!
I really hope you don’t need surgery or cancer treatments while hospitals were overwhelmed with coronavirus cases, every department were converted to COVID and many many patients were refused any treatment.
In Europe number of hospitalization were up 5X the usual number.
 
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MaxSmarties

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Oh dear. If only the scientists would wake up and realise that anecdotal evidence is the best kind. Then we could all go about our business potentially infecting others and not even realising we had it due to being asymptomatic. And if we did actually catch a bad case we could at least die knowing we didn't waste our last few months on Earth wearing a mask and curtailing our freedoms to do whatever the hell we like.
People like him are one of the reasons why the virus spread so easily. Not-me people who thinks they are untouchable, who thinks they have rights but not duties.
You wrote about Ebola above. Well Ebola is not easily spreadable as COVID mostly because when you get it, you feel sick almost immediately. So sick you can’t really go anywhere to spread the virus. Covid-19 is much more subtle and a lot of people are infecting others without even knowing. Not to speak about irresponsible ones like the genius above (or even worse the ones ignoring mild symptoms and keep having social contacts).
 
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Mister_K

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For a while I thought that Elon Musk would be the new "Tesla" for the XXI century. No pun intended.
But lately I'm starting to think that he is more like a new Trump.
He is just a human. It is without a doubt that he has propelled us to a brighter future but certainly shouldn't be given any free pass for all the controversial things he has said off and on the Internet.

However we need more billionaires thinking like Elon in terms of the future and moving forward. It's the principal of the way he thinks about technology and business which is important here, not his stance on various unrelated topics.

He is a businessman who has a good understanding of tech & science, something majority of business owners simply do not have. This is a key, you do not have to be the smartest guy in the room, you just need to know how to propel those smart ideas so they see light of day and improve humanity. People forget that, a lot.

A new Tesla? Certainly not, never was. A new Edison? Yep.
 
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Mister_K

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ITS ALL A LIE!!! I've been to 20 states including Florida for the last 3 weeks and NEVER wore a mask or social distanced. With all the gas pumps I've touched and all the people I've smoked weed with I still haven't gotten sick. So either it's not as contagious as everyone says cuz I've interacted with over 10,000 people. OR it's no different than the flu which I haven't had in over 8 years! Wake up people this is NOT a big deal! and wearing a mask all the time will kill you if you are wearing cotton ones due to micro mold. And the other ones don't even help after 20min of use.
Ignorance is a bliss.
 

TheFootPerson

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Elon may not have extensive knowledge of vaccines but it is a counter opinion that should be heard. The problem I see is the amount of people who seem to take everything regarding covid 19 from health officials like gospel, whereas in any other time isn't the case, or at least not to this degree. I give respect to all people trying to figure all this out, but it is something to think about.
 

MaxSmarties

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Elon may not have extensive knowledge of vaccines but it is a counter opinion that should be heard. The problem I see is the amount of people who seem to take everything regarding covid 19 from health officials like gospel, whereas in any other time isn't the case, or at least not to this degree. I give respect to all people trying to figure all this out, but it is something to think about.
If you are Elon you are entitled to an opinion, but you must keep in mind that your opinion could have influence on many people because you are Elon musk, a supposedly clever man.
So you should think twice before downplaying a virus.