Brazil is carrying through with plans to divorce US-based Internet

By Shawn Knight · 28 replies
Oct 31, 2014
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  1. Brazil declared intentions to disconnect itself from the US-controlled Internet last year due to privacy concerns and it appears they weren't kidding. The country is preparing to spend $185 million on a fiber optic cable that'll stretch roughly 3,500 miles...

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  2. S_Brideau

    S_Brideau TS Rookie Posts: 65

    Why would they do this? The U.S. will still be able to spy on them, just with a higher ping. They're just slowing down their own internet by doing this (if they replace multiple pipes with only one pipe).
  3. VitalyT

    VitalyT Russ-Puss Posts: 3,663   +1,949

    Good move! Down with the USA spies! :)

    The funny side is, they have been doing it for some many years, and will continue to do so regardless of what Brazil or someone else does. You cut the cable, they will set a spy satellite above you. You cover your head with a roof, they will sell you Snickers bars with micro-transmitters :)One way or another they will find a way to crawl up your anus.

    Might as well take it easy and bend over... Still, they can't beat Brazil in football :)
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  4. OneSpeed

    OneSpeed TS Addict Posts: 286   +92

    If I was the NSA, I would just set up shop in Brazil. Why enter through the internet, when you can order a hook up from Telebras?
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  5. cmbjive

    cmbjive TS Booster Posts: 777   +138

    I am going to go out on a limb and state that building this fiber optic line will cost more than $185 million.
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  6. Uncle Al

    Uncle Al TS Evangelist Posts: 3,329   +1,977

    I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the NSA already has installations in Brazil via the CIA and other intelligence agencies. These have been in place for decades and to assume they can be vetted just shows their own lack of sophistication. With all the interconnect ability of technology it's simply silly to think that any move won't have a counter move in place relatively quickly ... after all, that is what the intelligence and counter intelligence business is all about ....
  7. Alpha Gamer

    Alpha Gamer TS Evangelist Posts: 354   +116

    I only hope that, regardless of those measures working, and I'm inclined to think they won't, it eventually leads to better Internet connections. I currently reside in São Paulo and I have 35mb down and 20mb up Internet, paying the equivalent to US$ 23 monthly, which is considered great for Brazilian standards. On December, though, I'm moving to my wife's birthplace, where the fastest Internet is 3mb down and 0.2mb up, priced at US$ 40. I can barely wait to spend 3 days downloading my every new purchase on steam.
  8. Puiu

    Puiu TS Evangelist Posts: 2,654   +1,092

    Brazil really needs to make their own fast connection to Europe. US internet sucks and is extremely expensive.
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  9. OneSpeed

    OneSpeed TS Addict Posts: 286   +92

    This won't make the internet any faster; in fact it will be slower to access sites in the US (more hops). Is this Brazil's way of creating an intranet on the internet? This will only give them a faster connection to EU sites.
  10. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,971   +2,526

    But really, what would that prove?
  11. Darth Shiv

    Darth Shiv TS Evangelist Posts: 1,811   +472

    Many US companies have mirrors across the globe esp in EU.
  12. Guest17

    Guest17 TS Enthusiast Posts: 92   +37

    If they offer unlimited talk, text and data for $25 a month, I'm canceling my T-Mobile account and moving to Brazil.
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  13. Alpha Gamer

    Alpha Gamer TS Evangelist Posts: 354   +116

    I'm not so sure of what you are talking about, I had always used only "computer Internet" until two weeks ago, when I acquired my first smartphone. Most of the time, I use my wifi and very rarely 3g. Never heard of being able to share one single plan among both devices, if that's what you meant. (sorry if I got that wrong). But yeah, standard Internet is unlimited for everyone. They have tried implementing limits and caps but it never worked, the details were super hazy and every time someone got capped, they would bring a lawsuit and the ISPs would invariably lose, so they just gave up on that. Talk and texting is very cheap, as long as it's among the same telephone service provider or to landlines. Otherwise, it's rather expensive.
    On the other hand, 3g has very clear limits, but it is dirty cheap.
    But then again, Sao Paulo is more of country within Brazil and nothing that happens here should be, in the least, considered a reflection of Brazilian reality.
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2014
  14. Nilbud

    Nilbud TS Enthusiast Posts: 35   +10

    You must be quite young.
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  15. I find it disturbing that the United States continues to get caught red-handed in their efforts to gather intelligence. Have we become so careless and complacent about these things to the point that they happen on a regular basis. And now we just consider them to be normal news. I think this is a definite sign of the dwindling capabilities of our nation in the downward spiral the lies ahead.
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  16. No idea how more secure this will make them, but is a big political gesture to extend to the USA the 'rigid digit' to express their displeasure with the spying, and by using non-American companies to build it.
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  17. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,971   +2,526

    Oh rats, now it will take us a few milliseconds longer to find out how much of the Amazon Rain Forest they've destroyed today.
  18. How naive to think that the US is the only country spying on internet traffic.

    They're the only ones that got caught, so in fact the others are doing it better.
  19. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,971   +2,526

    In the same context as, "the dumbest sociopaths are the ones in jail", the "smartest, most dangerous sociopaths, are still on the street".
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  20. "on the street"

    No politics pays better...
  21. cliffordcooley

    cliffordcooley TS Guardian Fighter Posts: 9,714   +3,695

    In other words; a sociopath only has two option, jail or politics. I'm fairly certain there is a grey area in there somewhere. Perhaps is right outside @captaincranky's window.
  22. captaincranky

    captaincranky TechSpot Addict Posts: 12,971   +2,526

    I think you, and the guest above, missed two salient employment opportunities where the ultra self involved needs of the true sociopath can be put to maximum effect, the law and banking.

    Not to mention the "gray area", would be the gray suits they wear to try and blend in.
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  23. AdamG

    AdamG TS Rookie

    And yet Google and Algar are going together to build a connection between Florida and various points in Brazil.
  24. mrtavora

    mrtavora TS Rookie

    Lazy question, just read the article again

    Temporarily, probably. However most people are willing to pay the price not to be spied on
  25. S_Brideau

    S_Brideau TS Rookie Posts: 65

    Read my comment as a whole and why would you answer a rhetorical question? There's no reason the NSA won't be able to spy on them, it's just going to go through different pipes.

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