We check out Intel's Core i5-10400F, a direct competitor to the Ryzen 3600 to see how this budget CPU performs when paired with a last-generation high-end Radeon gaming GPU.
https://www.techspot.com/article/2183-core-i5-10400f-radeon-6800-combo/
We check out Intel's Core i5-10400F, a direct competitor to the Ryzen 3600 to see how this budget CPU performs when paired with a last-generation high-end Radeon gaming GPU.
https://www.techspot.com/article/2183-core-i5-10400f-radeon-6800-combo/
In the U.K. the 3600 costs quite a bit more than a 10400F £220 vs £140. You can get bundles of a 10400F, B460 and RAM for like £270, or just £50 more than a 3600. These are good solutions for people who just want a cpu to power a graphics card. So this article is probably good for Americans it might be worth doing a bit more digging if you’re in the U.K.
Also I would rather have seen it tested with an Nvidia GPU. I don’t trust Radeon after the garbage recent experience I had with a few of their cards and I think that’s the case for most gamers when you look at the market share numbers. Also hardly any retailers are even listing high end Radeon parts anymore over here.
In the U.K. the 3600 costs quite a bit more than a 10400F £220 vs £140. You can get bundles of a 10400F, B460 and RAM for like £270, or just £50 more than a 3600. These are good solutions for people who just want a cpu to power a graphics card. So this article is probably good for Americans it might be worth doing a bit more digging if you’re in the U.K.
It depends on the deal on the day. But generally for the last few months the 10400F has been cheaper. I understand you, as an AMD die hard want to get graphs out showing how the value per dollar or whatever isn’t that good. The fact is most people buying these just want a CPU for their graphics card and the overall cost of the hardware is lower on Intel’s part.It is worth digging even if you‘re in the UK: scan.co.uk lists the 3600 for £ 190 including free delivery and a perfectly useable hsf.
The 10400F is £140 plus £ 5.50 shipping and you may want to get an hsf for around £15.
That‘s still a £30 difference which is in line with the $30 quoted in the article.
And then there‘s the platform choice: The 3600 will have the same performance with A B450 Tomahawk Max for £ 90 (scan also has MSI B450 boards for £60), so you end up paying less overall and still have a great upgrade path - these boards will also handle a 5900X.
To get the above performance with the 10400F, you will need to spend a lot more than that to get even a decent Z490 mainboard, but for the same total expense you could be on the superior B550 platform (e.g. B550 Tomahawk for £ 162) or even X570. Not sure if entry level Z490 boards will support PCIe 4 or the power requirements to run higher end RKL at full blast.
Again, the 10400F is a perfectly capable entry level gaming CPU, but imho it‘s still overpriced considering the total platform cost and features.
I find it strange that *some* Intel fans in this site defended the opposite idea for years. The tables did not turn yet though, due to the fact that AMD platform could offer more in this comparison. B460 is a crippled platform with a bad RAM speed support whereas AMD's B450 offers unlocked RAM speeds. I didn't do the math but in the end the cost could be similar.It depends on the deal on the day. But generally for the last few months the 10400F has been cheaper. I understand you, as an AMD die hard want to get graphs out showing how the value per dollar or whatever isn’t that good. The fact is most people buying these just want a CPU for their graphics card and the overall cost of the hardware is lower on Intel’s part.
There are some amazing bundle deals on the 10400F popping up from time to time. Allowing a user to save £50-£150 over getting a 3600. Yes you will no doubt point out that this isn’t better value. But it’s still cheaper. My friend who built a system with it when he got a mobo, RAM and a 10400F for £270 only seemed to be interested in if it would be enough cpu power to run a 3070 and it is! Im sure if he spent the extra £50-£100 on a 3600 he’d have a better chip but that’s often the case.
Not everyone can afford the AMD tax. Some people are just fine on an Intel system.
It’s not all about absolute value mate, some people do have an upper limit on their budget. Like me, I bought a 5800X. This is emphatically worse value than a 5900X. However I wasn’t prepared to spend the extra.
It depends on the deal on the day. But generally for the last few months the 10400F has been cheaper. I understand you, as an AMD die hard want to get graphs out showing how the value per dollar or whatever isn’t that good. The fact is most people buying these just want a CPU for their graphics card and the overall cost of the hardware is lower on Intel’s part.
Yeah I get it, you want people to buy AMD. And yes il be honest I haven’t googled the prices this year but I did Google them when helping my mate out his rig together in November (after he bought and obtained a 3070 on launch day with no rig to put it in).Seriously, I looked up current prices on Scan which you appear not to have done - and that makes me an AMD die hard ?
My calculation was correct. Yes, the 10400F by itself is cheaper but you will need to consider the HSF as part of the calculation, same as platform costs, features and upgradeability.
If you get anything less than a Z490 board, you will not see the benchmarked performance. Period. And if you only get a cheap Z490 board and decide to upgrade your CPU later on (and getting one just for a low end CPU seems pointless) you will again not get the benchmarked performance for e.g. a 10850k as those boards won‘t be able to run the CPU at constant PL2 like the ones used for benchmarking on tech sites. There is a reason for the beefier power delivery.
So, if you want to get the performance as shown, the 10400F system is not cheaper in terms of total cost.
These are all things you don‘t even need to consider when getting a Ryzen 3600. Plug it into a reasonably priced board and it will perform just as well as on a high end board.
I did say that the 10400F is by no means a bad buy, but I feel considering its lack of platform features it is also by no means a better deal. But that‘s my opinion.
Still, getting something like a 10400F or a 3600 to pair it with a more expensive GPU looks like a good idea for a decently priced gaming rig.
Uh, what are you on about for a HSF? The 10400f comes with the stock heatsink/fan combo, and that is perfectly sufficient for the <65w the 10400f draws when gaming.Seriously, I looked up current prices on Scan which you appear not to have done - and that makes me an AMD die hard ?
My calculation was correct. Yes, the 10400F by itself is cheaper but you will need to consider the HSF as part of the calculation, same as platform costs, features and upgradeability.
If you get anything less than a Z490 board, you will not see the benchmarked performance. Period. And if you only get a cheap Z490 board and decide to upgrade your CPU later on (and getting one just for a low end CPU seems pointless) you will again not get the benchmarked performance for e.g. a 10850k as those boards won‘t be able to run the CPU at constant PL2 like the ones used for benchmarking on tech sites. There is a reason for the beefier power delivery.
So, if you want to get the performance as shown, the 10400F system is not cheaper in terms of total cost.
These are all things you don‘t even need to consider when getting a Ryzen 3600. Plug it into a reasonably priced board and it will perform just as well as on a high end board.
I did say that the 10400F is by no means a bad buy, but I feel considering its lack of platform features it is also by no means a better deal. But that‘s my opinion.
Still, getting something like a 10400F or a 3600 to pair it with a more expensive GPU looks like a good idea for a decently priced gaming rig.
Why are you playing the "chipset game"? I mean who cares if you dont get 4 generations on one motherboard? Motherboards last a long time, my ivy bridge setup still works after, what, 8 years now? The only reason I upgraded was to take advantage of NVMe storage, if it wasnt for that I'd still be using my 3570k. My current 9700k should last me until 2026 easily, possibly 2030, especially since I'm not buying $1000 GPUs or playing at 144 FPS.It's a *ick move by intel to forgo Z470 and leave Zx90 series only. Even my Z370 is de listed at manufacturer website, only Z390 are left, unless you dig-search through...I guess intel just hates <120eur Z boards, even tho I am happily running i7 9700 on one z370 that was <100eur new.
I had planned that move, if I had not, at this point I'd go for the same thing since for <350eur (cpu+mobo) I don't see AMD that costs similarly and offers the performance. 3700x is quite a bit more expensive choice, especially right now.
Next cpu upgrade tho, new AM5 socket for sure, I am tired of 'cat and mouse' intel's chipset game. It will be quite some time until then since I think upgrading GPU for next 4 years will yield more benefits than chasing few % more on the CPU.
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Some half a year ago or more I commented here, after reading Zen 2 review, that AMD only has a few models, they differ in thread count only and that the user should choose the number of threads, and get the cheaper variant because they all work the same but the price can be very different.
AMD 1600af and 3300x are gaming CPUs, 3600 is a pointless investment from that perspective, or was since you almost can't get your hands on aforementioned models at their "regular" pricing. 3300x was ~<110eur, 1600af (downclocked 2600) was <~90 eur...Well, it's gone. Now you have to get 3600 and the same performance for more $$$ not even calculating the recent price hike.
Uh, what are you on about for a HSF? The 10400f comes with the stock heatsink/fan combo, and that is perfectly sufficient for the <65w the 10400f draws when gaming.
Also why are you comparing the 10850k with a 3600? Of course the 3600 will run perfectly on just about any board, so with the 10400f. You brought up that the midrange boards will not run the 10850k properly, do you REALLY want to get into how many AMD boards would not be able to handle a 3900/5900 series board? Guess what, most A/B series boards, and a decent number of X470 boards, struggle to handle the VRM load of a 3900x and 3950x.
Isn‘t that exactly what I said, pointing out that the 10400F isn‘t cheaper overall? And you do get a better platform with the 3600.Both the 10400f and the 3600 are decent midrange performers, at 1440p and above there is basically no difference, you are GPU bound. So buy whichever is cheaper.
Definitely agree on Zen+. Offering them as bargain entry level CPU (should be cheap to produce at GloFo without capacity constraints) AMD should have good sales and get customers onto AM4, adding potential upgraders to Zen 2 or 3 down the road. They don‘t even need to offer all models.From what I've seen regarding cpu prices the last few months, it looks like AMD should have kept producing some 12nm parts. It looks like they could still sell 2600, 2700X, 3200G, and 3400G near their original prices. It's sad to see I might be able to get most of my money back if I were to sell my 2400G. I also got lucky that I bought a R3 3100 at $100. They been listed at $170 for several weeks and possibly a few months.
Similar power, similar price... The only thing that would help us to decide which one to buy is power consumption and noise with the same cooler. Pity that this was not included in the test.
IF you need a faster CPU. Gamers will be alright with a 10400F for years in my opinion and going to have to cough up serious cheddar for the GPUs which are practically non-existent in the retail sector.Going Intel in short term is a good way to lose a lot of money later when you are forced to upgrade everything else that is perfectly fine just to get a faster CPU.
The upgrade path to 11th Gen Rocket Lake on my B460 is also something to consider (though only confirmed by MSI as far as I know, but others will surely have to follow).
There is one small caveat – Rocket Lake will not work in H410 and B460 motherboards as these use 22nm chipsets. There appears to be some incompatibility here.
"An MSI representative has shared some interesting information about Intel's pending 11th Generation Rocket Lake-S processors over at the Danawa forums... The statement also seemingly confirms that current 400-series motherboards, including the H410, B460, and Z490 chipsets would support Rocket Lake-S." (link)Maybe, maybe not
"There is one small caveat – Rocket Lake will not work in H410 and B460 motherboards as these use 22nm chipsets. There appears to be some incompatibility here."