Donald Trump blasts EU following record $5 billion Google fine

Oh no, Google is the devil incarnate. Still Trump can't ask Google to pay the EU's share of NATO.

My comments are based solely on the financial backdrop of the EU not supporting NATO, when with one hand they're pocketing billions of (ostensibly ?), American dollars, and the other they're keeping in their pockets... Maybe that doesn't jibe with the article, but it is the way of the world.

This comment section is comedy.

The EU never asked you to pay 3.4% of gdp to your military. Since you mention how much you're in debt, maybe you should reduce the military budget.

Except reducing your defence spend would be suicide for Trump's already declining approval rating. Also your military has other uses like backing up the petrodollar and keeping certain Middle Eastern countries (those with oil anyway) in check.

Edit: I might add, I'm British and my country is by no means innocent in any of this however you placing the US on the moral high ground where the world is constantly taking advantage of you is a very short sighted view.
 
Actually, it does state exactly this. This time, here is the direct quote from the ruling:
And just in case you want to abandon the TL;DR approach, you can really read the ruling at this link:
http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-18-4581_en.htm

We would all like to think he has a plan, however, I doubt it. Personally, I would call the fact that he got his way with ZTE backing down.

It really does not matter if he does not back down. The other countries are well-off enough to survive without trade to the US. In addition, there is absolutely no guarantee that the other countries will back down, either. He is playing a game of chicken and games of chicken do not usually end well.

The IMF has warned that these tariffs will hurt the global economy just as I said in one of my posts above - https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/imf-warns-g20-tariffs-hurting-economy-trump-threat-1.4756477

No, it is merely stating apps from Google play store can't be installed on a device that is forked aka non registered or non conforming to the standards, this cuts out the Chinese knockoff devices from having access and in turn creating a misrable experience on non conforming hardware. It no where states Google is blocking OEMs front installing other search apps aside of googles required install to access the ecosystem...
Seriously.....
 
As it stands, the "European Union", isn't the governing body of Europe. And arguably, as a court system, it operates to the benefit of those member nations.This comment section is comedy.
Well, if it wasn't before, you certainly did turn it into comedy with this post
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You know, I watched the war for the Falklands on TV. What I saw was, your British tinfoil battleships. getting blown out of the water by "Exocet" missiles, which were sold to the Argentinians by your (former) EU trading partners, the French. I think you Brits were trying to save money and weight on ships

The EU never asked you to pay 3.4% of gdp to your military. Since you mention how much you're in debt, maybe you should reduce the military budget.
And yet, if push came to shove, you'd likely shamelessly hide under the umbrella of our :"excess military spending". And the same is true of the rest of NATO.

Except reducing your defence spend would be suicide for Trump's already declining approval rating. Also your military has other uses like backing up the petrodollar and keeping certain Middle Eastern countries (those with oil anyway) in check.
I always find it quite ironic that a nation which formerly laid claim to, "the sun never sets on the British empire", is now reduced to gossiping, sniping, and televising royal weddings. Just how many whelps did you need as "heirs to the royal throne", anyway?

Edit: I might add, I'm British and my country is by no means innocent in any of this however you placing the US on the moral high ground where the world is constantly taking advantage of you is a very short sighted view.
No, I'm specifically referring to the failure of NATO nations to contribute the portion of the budget to which they agreed. How is that "placing the US on high moral ground"?.

I guess, if using your yardstick, you could say "a bill collector is placing himself on high moral ground", were you to be asked to pay a bill.

Edit: I might add, I'm British and my country is by no means innocent in any of this however you placing the US on the moral high ground where the world is constantly taking advantage of you is a very short sighted view.
The world in general has become a farce of political correctness. The last "big legislation" which I heard about coming out of Britain, was that it's now forbidden to cast a sexual stereotype in an advertising role. You know, you can't cast girls as nurses, and so forth.

I bet took a lot a lot of powered wigs to push that crap through Parliament.

And BTW, remember "Brexit".

And if half of Scotland had their way, they'd bail from the United Kingdom, which would leave your royals reaching for their passports to get to Balmoral.
 
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Oh wow, this is fun. I think I touched a nerve.

Well, if it wasn't before, you certainly did turn it into comedy with this post
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You know, I watched the war for the Falklands on TV. What I saw was, your British tinfoil battleships. getting blown out of the water by "Exocet" missiles, which were sold to the Argentinians by your (former) EU trading partners, the French. I think you Brits were trying to save money and weight on ships.
The US, Britain, France & Germany manufacture the lion's share of military hardware so we are likely all guilty of this. If everything I've read is correct, the fact we won at all was an impressive feat.

And yet, if push came to shove, you'd likely shamelessly hide under the umbrella of our :"excess military spending". And the same is true of the rest of NATO.
Your own president talks about how not paying taxes is just good business so I think we know what he'd do if the shoe was on the other foot.

I always find it quite ironic that a nation which formerly laid claim to, "the sun never sets on the British empire", is now reduced to gossiping, sniping, and televising royal weddings. Just how many whelps did you need as "heirs to the royal throne", anyway?
As many whelps that it takes to keep selling your compatriots tickets.


And BTW, remember "Brexit".

And if half of Scotland had their way, they'd bail from the United Kingdom, which would leave your royals reaching for their passports to get to Balmoral.
Scotland did have thier way and didn't bail but since we are here if half of the US had thier way Trump wouldn't be President.
 
It sounds like you think the best alternative would be to send you out to reason with them.

I don't know about your idea of math, but 2% more of an already shorted patment doesn't amount to all that much.

Feell free to show me the numbers, instead of your take on US politics you don't agree with.
I am not using any kind of math, just what seems to make sense. But I will look the into the math. You challenge me to do something you yourself have not, we both made assumptions. When I look up the richest countries in the world, I get mixed results. But I think the link I am showing is a legitimate way to look at it.

So what I am going to do is use a rough estimate with a calculator not exact amount do that if you want. My reasoning is like taxes if you make more you pay more? I leave a question mark because idk if there is a better way to do if so enlighten me. This has nothing to do with politics. I am a independent voter.

National wealth of each country, USA 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_wealth
Military spending. (not really applicable to the situation but I thought id show it) USA #1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures
What each country spends on Nato. USA #1
https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallm...-members-visualized-infographic/#173daa3314cf

Countries wealth
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United States 93,560 billion
4
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United Kingdom 14,073
5
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Germany 13,714
6
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France 12,969

Nato spending USA 685 mill
France 45
UK 55
Germany 45

We are this many times richer then each country list
France 6x
UK 6x
Germany 7x

We pay this many times more on Nato
France 15
UK 12
Germany 15

So we do pay more. Reasons previously listed in my other post might justify why. But that is my opinion these are the facts.

P.S
I just saw you debt comment. This is the amount of debt we have divided by the amount of wealth we have. I am not going to do anymore math today. But it looks like the UK who has double our debt below times wise, only pays half of the amount times richer we are to them so they if that makes any sense they look square, the other countries not so much. Again I am not going into the debt comparison math, but by your logic of debt vs wealth vs nato spending, iv shown the below results.

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United States 21,171,000,000,000 3 May 2018 58,200 98 !225x
2
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United Kingdom 8,475,956,000,000 31 December 2017[1] 127,000 313 !571x
3
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France 5,689,745,000,000 31 December 2017[2] 87,200 213 !111x
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Germany 5,398,267,000,000 31 December 2017[3] 65,600 141 !111x

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I guess the fact that Google makes money from EU citizens is the definition of EU citizens taking advantage of Google. Anyway trump was saying that EU is the enemy a few weeks ago. Enemies all over the planet. At least Putin is a friend.

By that logic the EU is taking advantage of its own citizens, as well...so no big deal.
 
It's amazing how much derailing there has been already... abide the rules or get fined, simple as that.

Trump can squeal all he wants, Captain can say as much as he wants about nato and everyone can talk as much about the non republic of the united states, but in the end laws are not arbitrary.

And if you want to really talk about laws being arbitrary, how about Trump giving a life boat to ZTE after it was found guilty of selling technology to banned countries?
 
No, it is merely stating apps from Google play store can't be installed on a device that is forked aka non registered or non conforming to the standards, this cuts out the Chinese knockoff devices from having access and in turn creating a misrable experience on non conforming hardware. It no where states Google is blocking OEMs front installing other search apps aside of googles required install to access the ecosystem...
Seriously.....
As I see it, that is anticompetitive behavior especially by creating a miserable experience on non-conforming hardware, and I suspect that this is why it was included in the EU's press release on their decision; otherwise, there would be no point to its inclusion in their release.

In fact, the EU's release goes further to explain part of their reasoning - which is - if it is supposed to be an open-source operating system, meaning anyone can download and modify it, then why is gagme refusing to allow play store apps on the modified systems.

I get the idea of standards, however, there are no assurances nor guarantees that forking had modified any of the relevant standards.
 
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It's amazing how much derailing there has been already... abide the rules or get fined, simple as that.

Trump can squeal all he wants, Captain can say as much as he wants about nato and everyone can talk as much about the non republic of the united states, but in the end laws are not arbitrary.

And if you want to really talk about laws being arbitrary, how about Trump giving a life boat to ZTE after it was found guilty of selling technology to banned countries?
My bet is that when Trump is out of office, ZTE and others will be found to be a bit off.
 
My bet is that when Trump is out of office, ZTE and others will be found to be a bit off.
Didn't congress rebuke Trump about ZTE? So where does that stand?

Quite frankly, I'm really tired of listening to a bunch of millennial know-knowings, whose minds are so drenched in modern "individualist nonsense", that they're incapable of believing ill of allies, and good of enemies.

Listen. life is all about you, and nobody else. It's not about the governments which shelter you from harm. It's all about you having a faster video card.

As far as Google goes, you always have your hand out looking for free services, and then b!tching about it being an "evil empire".

What's the truth here? Should Google be allowed to clamp down on mods to its OS or not? After all, the first thing all of you cell phone addicts will be doing when somebody puts up a bunch of bad apps, will be whining and whimpering how "Google didn't save us from our own stupidity".

Donald Trump is a businessman. He'll lie right to anyone's face to get what he wants. So are him and Putin friends? I don't think anybody can know for sure. All you can say for sure, is that he's a sociopath and an egomaniac, which puts him in the same company as virtually every other captain of industry or world leader.

As for NATO, Trump is the only president which has confronted them about paying their bills. Most of you from abroad are quite content to believe the US has a noblesse oblige to support you, protect you from harm, while you badmouth us incessantly.

As for Putin, he's this year's model of Alexander the Great. Having the Olympics in Russia, emboldened him to take back the Ukraine. Do you think that's the last the world is going to hear from him?

Now toddle along, and worry about the truly important things in life, such as coin miners taking all your video cards, or how many FPS you can get in games which are absorbing the contents of your wallets, but which my never come to market.

AMD good, Intel bad! That should clear your heads, comfort you, and make you sleep well tonight.

See how simple life is?
 
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Didn't congress rebuke Trump about ZTE? So where does that stand.

Quite frankly, I'm really tired of listening to a bunch of millennial know-knowings, whose minds are so drenched in modern "individualist nonsense", that they're incapable of believing ill of allies, and good of enemies.

Listen. life is all about you, and nobody else. It's not about the governments which shelter you from harm. It's all about you having a faster video card.

As far as Google goes, you always have your hand out looking for free services, and then b!tching about it being an "evil empire".

What's the truth here? Should Google be allowed to clamp down on mods to its OS or not? After all, the first thing all of you cell phone addicts will be doing when somebody puts up a bunch of bad apps, will bw whining and whimpering how "Google didn't save us from our own stupidity.

Donald Trump is a businessman. He'll lie right to anyone's face to get what he wants. So are him and Putin friends? I don't think anybody can know for sure. All you can say for sure, is that he's a sociopath and an egomaniac, which puts him in the same company as virtually every other captain of industry or world leader.

As for NATO, Trump is the only president which has confronted then about paying their bills. Most of you from abroad are quite content to believer the US has a noblesse oblige to support your, protect you from harm, while you badmouth us incessantly.

As fro Putin, he's this year's model of Alexander the Great. Having the Olympics in Russia, emboldened to take back the Ukraine. Do you think that's the last the world is going to hear from him?

Now toddle along, and worry about the truly important things in life, such as coin miners taking all your video cards, or how many FPS you can get in games which are absorbing the contents of your wallets, but which my never come to market.

AMD good, Intel bad! That should clear your heads, comfort you, and make you sleep well tonight.

See how simple life is?
As always, you see the positive side of things, Captain! :)

About ZTE, yes, I believe congress did rebuke Trump, however, history will reveal what we presently don't see. I have to wonder if Ivanka's trademarks were bought with ZTE. LOL

And thanks for the assurances about AMD! I will definitely sleep much better tonight knowing AMD is good. ;)
 
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See how simple life is?

I like that your post is basically one big parody of the idea that 'Millenials' can't do nuance but love triviality, while being itself pretty devoid of nuance and highly trivial.

Quite frankly, I'm really tired of listening to a bunch of millennial know-knowings, whose minds are so drenched in modern "individualist nonsense", that they're incapable of believing ill of allies, and good of enemies.
I'm not sure what "individualist nonsense" is, nor what it would have to do with perceptions of other countries and foreign policy.

As far as Google goes, you always have your hand out looking for free services, and then b!tching about it being an "evil empire".
Surely a wise non-millenial like yourself recognises that you can hold differing opinions about different aspects of the same thing? Aspects of Google's business model and products are great, others aren't. You don't stop scrutinising the bad bits just because you like the good bits.

What's the truth here? Should Google be allowed to clamp down on mods to its OS or not?
That's only one of a range of issues contained in the ruling. Of course the principle is up for debate, but the courts looked at a breadth of practices employed by Google and deemed them anti-competitive, just like they have done with various other companies in the past. The size of the fine is pretty eye-watering, only because the size of Google's operations is also pretty eye-watering.

After all, the first thing all of you cell phone addicts will be doing when somebody puts up a bunch of bad apps, will be whining and whimpering how "Google didn't save us from our own stupidity".
Do you think it's unreasonable for people to expect Google to have any kind of quality control for the products it serves up to people?

All you can say for sure, is that he's a sociopath and an egomaniac, which puts him in the same company as virtually every other captain of industry or world leader.
The old "well everyone else is doing it!" excuse doesn't exempt Trump from intense scrutiny. He's not just any "captain of industry" or world leader, he's the President of the richest, most powerful country on Earth, with the largest military, and a knack for making up policy via Tweets. Scrutiny is needed more than ever.

As for NATO, Trump is the only president which has confronted them about paying their bills. Most of you from abroad are quite content to believe the US has a noblesse oblige to support you, protect you from harm, while you badmouth us incessantly.
We have treaties, alliances, pacts etc. And American "protection from harm" at the moment seems a lot more like throwing stones at angry bears than it does any form of coordinated, thought-through alliance.

Now toddle along, and worry about the truly triggering things in life, such as people having different opinions and values to your own, and how whiny and ignorant 'kids these days' are.
 
...[ ]....That's only one of a range of issues contained in the ruling. Of course the principle is up for debate, but the courts looked at a breadth of practices employed by Google and deemed them anti-competitive, just like they have done with various other companies in the past. The size of the fine is pretty eye-watering, only because the size of Google's operations is also pretty eye-watering.'''[ ]....
The only time I've actually taken the corporate side in one of these EU court rulings, was in favot of M$. The BS that court handed down in fines because Windows only incorporated Internet Explorer, was absurd.

Basically, the EU said that M$ now has to offer competitors web browsers. Sadly, I think it speaks of the corrupt nature of that court, and the stupidity and lack of interest on the parts of the EU's computer that they need the European "Big Brother", to save themselves from their own stupidity. As "frivolous lawsuits go", that fiasco took the cake.

It also begs the question, where does the money go? It certainly didn't go to those, "poor injured parties", for the "dreadful pain and suffering" which they were forced to endure, by not having been handed Firefox, Opera, and any other browsers handed to them on a silver platter by big bad M$.

That court, and its purpose lost any value and credibility it might have had, with that decision.

The EU's "court" amounts to nothing than a hidden business tax, collected via outright extortion.

Do I think Google needs reining in? Of course I do. I just don't think it needs to be done a joke of a court such as the EU presents.

And I follow with, "if these mutts over there can bilk billions out of American companies, then they should pay their share of NATO expenses. Which is something they haven't done for decades. Trump is the only US leader, who has had the iron to confront them with the issue..

People don't like Trump, so they automatically think he's wrong about NATO finances, or they think they're entitled.to free military defense


.Do you think it's unreasonable for people to expect Google to have any kind of quality control for the products it serves up to people?
Not at all. As I've been trying to (unsuccessfully) explain, is the EU court, is nothing but a kangaroo court, with a penchant for money laundering.


.The old "well everyone else is doing it!" excuse doesn't exempt Trump from intense scrutiny. He's not just any "captain of industry" or world leader, he's the President of the richest, most powerful country on Earth, with the largest military, and a knack for making up policy via Tweets. Scrutiny is needed more than ever.
. And the fact the Hillary Clinton isn't president just makes you want to look as hard as you can, with a jaundiced eye, doesn't it now?



.We have treaties, alliances, pacts etc. And American "protection from harm" at the moment seems a lot more like throwing stones at angry bears than it does any form of coordinated, thought-through alliance.
Well, if I were president, I would have launched a couple of nukes at Kim Jong Un's next military parade. Would that be better or worse than what you're whining about now?

Besides, if you don't think our foreign policy is working, do something about it. You don't have any suggestions it would seem. You know I'm wrong, but you either can't explain, or couldn't be bothered to proffer an alternative.

.Now toddle along, and worry about the truly triggering things in life, such as people having different opinions and values to your own, and how whiny and ignorant 'kids these days' are.
Honestly, the onlky "kidz" I come into contact with these days, are out in front of the house handing out $5.00 bags of crack and heroine. I guess the money they don't spend in the Chinese store, they spend on video games.

I guess if Hillary were president, the free college, 15 dollar minimum wage, and more social entitlements she was promising would have put an end to all that..So, toddle by my way sometime, you can see my flying pig and your tax dollars at work..
 
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The only time I've actually taken the corporate side in one of these EU court rulings, was in favot of M$. The BS that court handed down in fines because Windows only incorporated Internet Explorer, was absurd.

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The EU's "court" amounts to nothing than a hidden business tax, collected via outright extortion.

Do I think Google needs reining in? Of course I do. I just don't think it needs to be done a joke of a court such as the EU presents.

So the "only time" you've taken the corporate side, ie been against the court's ruling, was the Microsoft time (and now this instance with Google) and those two judgments are enough to convince you it's a kangaroo court?

People don't like Trump, so they automatically think he's wrong about NATO finances, or they think they're entitled.to free military defense
Obviously I can't speak for others' experiences, but nothing I've read has suggested that Trump is wrong about NATO countries (=/= the EU) aren't paying the shares they've agreed to. What I *have* seen is people taking issue with how he's gone about doing so - praising the Kremlin and Vladdy, insulting European leaders, making yet more wild and false claims.

. And the fact the Hillary Clinton isn't president just makes you want to look as hard as you can, with a jaundiced eye, doesn't it now?
Nope, not at all. If I were American I think I would have knowingly thrown away my vote with an independent candidate out of principle, being completely unable to stomach either Trump or Clinton. One's a lying buffoon, the other is a lying banshee, great choices eh?

Well, if I were president, I would have launched a couple of nukes at Kim Jong Un's next military parade. Would that be better or worse than what you're whining about now?
Then I'm exceptionally glad that you are and never will be President.

Besides, if you don't think our foreign policy is working, do something about it. You don't have any suggestions it would seem. You know I'm wrong, but you either can't explain, or couldn't be bothered to proffer an alternative.
Not being an American, I can't 'do something about it' other than speak my mind. And in terms of alternatives, how about just some consistency as a bare minimum? How about:

- not signing up to deals then breaking them on the plane home
- honouring pledges made by your country
- not lying your *** off about Allied nations
- not cosying up to the quasi-dictator who meddled in your election
- not publicly denouncing your security services to side with said quasi-dictator
- not believing your own populace is so dumb that they'll believe you meant to say "wouldn't", not "would"

There's a few bits to get started.

I guess if Hillary were president, the free college, 15 dollar minimum wage, and more social entitlements she was promising would have put an end to all that..So, toddle by my way sometime, you can see my flying pig and your tax dollars at work..
I pay my taxes in pounds, and having a slightly more socialist system than the US doesn't seem to be wrecking havoc over here. It ain't perfect, but I do appreciate the healthcare.
 
So the "only time" you've taken the corporate side, ie been against the court's ruling, was the Microsoft time (and now this instance with Google) and those two judgments are enough to convince you it's a kangaroo court?
I'm not siding with Google in the least. The issue was bizarre with the case against M$. It sounded like a cause of action you'd get from the shysters on American TV. Do you really need a continental court to fine a company for not including their competitor's browser in their operating system? That's patently absurd.

As for Google, you apparently can't read. I'm in no way siding with Google, they need to ne reined in. I only question this court's motives. TBH, any action against Google should be started here, under the Sherman Anti-Trust statutes.

We have a nationwide auto club called "AAA", they have published lists of towns which they've investigated to be "speed traps".. The sort of thing where you're just bleeding off speed from an expressway exit, and the very next thing you know there's an unrealistically low speed limit posted, while the town's one police car is parked under it, radar on. That's a better explanation of how I feel about the EU court. It's a speed trap, and it's sole purpose is to garner income in fines.

Obviously I can't speak for others' experiences, but nothing I've read has suggested that Trump is wrong about NATO countries (=/= the EU) aren't paying the shares they've agreed to. What I *have* seen is people taking issue with how he's gone about doing so - praising the Kremlin and Vladdy, insulting European leaders, making yet more wild and false claims.
.Here's the thing, NATO funding has been an issue for decades, not just since the day before yesterday.. Quite frankly, Obama was too busy brown nosing (pun intended) world leaders, to take a stance on anything globally, which wasn't to the US's disadvantage.


Nope, not at all. If I were American I think I would have knowingly thrown away my vote with an independent candidate out of principle, being completely unable to stomach either Trump or Clinton. One's a lying buffoon, the other is a lying banshee, great choices eh?
I've never cast a vote in a major election, where I didn't feel I was doing anything other than choosing the lesser of two evils. If it's different in the country where you vote, I'd have to wonder if the politicians are simply better at lying while being better at hiding their ulterior motives than ours

Then I'm exceptionally glad that you are and never will be President.
Kim Jong Un's long game has to be the reunification of Korea. If he's able to accomplish that, he'll loot the south for its wealth, and use it to increase his military, period.. It started with the Olympics, when he sent likely the most beautiful woman in NK, to be his envoy. Nothing gets anybody's attention like a pretty girl. I'd also be willing to bet, that many South Koreans public sympathies lie with reunification. So you sent this gorgeous woman to the games, and the people in SK have to be thinking, "god she's beautiful, she looks just like us, not like those white devils". "See, Kim Jong Un isn't such a bad guy after all". And the next thing you know he's raping the South Korean economy, the same as his father raped his own to the end of military might..

Best thing that could have happened, is to nuke that bratty little sociopath. As an added benefit, China wouldn't have that little toad to play against the US, and by extension, the rest of the world.

the little sh!t didn't even work up to being "supreme leader, he inherited the title, the same way rights of birth and passage were handed down in medieval Europe. Talk about being born with a silver nuclear trigger in your hand, that's him.


Not being an American, I can't 'do something about it' other than speak my mind. And in terms of alternatives, how about just some consistency as a bare minimum? How about:

- not signing up to deals then breaking them on the plane home
- honouring pledges made by your country
- not lying your *** off about Allied nations
- not cosying up to the quasi-dictator who meddled in your election
- not publicly denouncing your security services to side with said quasi-dictator
- not believing your own populace is so dumb that they'll believe you meant to say "wouldn't", not "would"

First of all, Europeans have long thought, (correctly or incorrectly), that Americans are crass, stupid, vulgar , classless aberrations, to be looked down upon, when we visit your country. All I see, is you reporting how Trump is living up to those expectations. This president doesn't seem willing to traipse all over Europe with his hands grabbing his ankles, and it seems to be pissing a lot of people off.

Trump apperas to put on a show in public about how Kim Jong Un and Vladimir Putin are great men.Then everyone Monday morning quarterbacks the encounters "He should have called therm both d!cks, he should have been rude to thee point of insolence.blah, blah, blah".. So, when Trump acts like a diplomat, you don't like it, and you don't like it when he puts on his gorilla suit either. Face it, you don't like Trump, period. Now, if I have to endure him at fairly close range, for at least the next three years, I suggest you try and do the same, from a bit further away.

The interesting thing here is while you're badmouthing Trump for backslapping Putin, Germany is busy installing a transcontinental pipeline directly to Russia! You'd think that would raise quite a few eyebrows, but Trump's antics have everyone pissed off to the point of being mesmerized.. And yes, Germany is a partner in NATO..

Oh well, to the upside, if Germany ever gets it in its head to conquer the world again, they won't be able to attack Russia, since Putin, (or whoever's in charge), will simply shut off their oil supply.

I pay my taxes in pounds, and having a slightly more socialist system than the US doesn't seem to be wrecking havoc over here. It ain't perfect, but I do appreciate the healthcare.
The US has the best health care available anywhere in the world, if you're rich enough to afford it, or you can manage to make us feel sorry enough for you to get it for free. For those of us somewhere in the middle, meh.

As for NATO "allies", take a moment to review the war for the Falkland Islands. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War You'll see, France, "Britain's NATO partner" was selling many weapons systems to Argentina. Possession of those advanced weapons, was likely a primary cause of emboldening Argentina to attack in the first place.

Well, you know what they say, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer:.And if you go out to dinner with them, make sure the US picks up the check".

BTW, the Scandinavian nations are alleged to have the happiest citizens in the world. AFAIK, they are all socialist democracies with sky high taxes, which is easily offset by the "all expenses paid" role of their governments in their lives:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report
 
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CaptainCranky and I have butted heads many times on TS, however, I have come to understand that he and I are frequently saying the same things though from a slightly different perspective, and I have learned to not take his comments personally precisely because we are usually on the same side. I dare to say that I consider him more of a friend than an enemy because we see things with a similar disdain.

Anyway, in no way do I think that nuking KJI is the way to go. The first h-bomb vaporized its test island. There is nothing there but a crater below the surface of the ocean. To me, doing such to KJI would destroy numerous innocent people who have little to no control over their destiny.

However, everyone is on to KJI and his antics, and I doubt that reunification will be approached lightly by the South despite the fact that KJI's sister is eye candy. I assume that part of the reason KJI reached out to the south is because the south was intercepting freighters bound for the north and preventing them from reaching their intended destination. IMO, it is impossible to tell where this will go and what KJI will do, however, I expect that the south will be keeping a watchful eye on him, probably until his death, because of his tendency to say one thing and then do something completely different in the next breath.

As well, I do not agree with the way 45 is handling international relations. It is not unlike KJI. As the saying goes, you will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. No one can trust anything that comes out of 45's mouth, or fingers, simply because he is constantly praising representatives while face-to-face with them, and as soon as that representative turns their back, 45 takes out his knife and stabs them. To me, he seems to be a people pleaser since when he is called on his crap, he always reverses what he said that generated the flack. IMO, this is the sign of a weak individual, not a strong leader. To me, 45 is not negotiating from a position of strength. He is generating ill will, IMO, more than anything else. IMO, the great leader will stand up for what they believe is the best thing without denigrating those with whom they are negotiating. All the denigrating does is elicit an obscene gesture and a reluctance, if not outright refusal, to sit at a negotiating table to work towards a common goal.

But like you said, Captain, we have to endure him for the foreseeable future whether or not we agree with him.
 
CaptainCranky and I have butted heads many times on TS, however, I have come to understand that he and I are frequently saying the same things though from a slightly different perspective, and I have learned to not take his comments personally precisely because we are usually on the same side. I dare to say that I consider him more of a friend than an enemy because we see things with a similar disdain.

Anyway, in no way do I think that nuking KJI is the way to go. The first h-bomb vaporized its test island. There is nothing there but a crater below the surface of the ocean. To me, doing such to KJI would destroy numerous innocent people who have little to no control over their destiny.

However, everyone is on to KJI and his antics, and I doubt that reunification will be approached lightly by the South despite the fact that KJI's sister is eye candy. I assume that part of the reason KJI reached out to the south is because the south was intercepting freighters bound for the north and preventing them from reaching their intended destination. IMO, it is impossible to tell where this will go and what KJI will do, however, I expect that the south will be keeping a watchful eye on him, probably until his death, because of his tendency to say one thing and then do something completely different in the next breath.

As well, I do not agree with the way 45 is handling international relations. It is not unlike KJI. As the saying goes, you will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. No one can trust anything that comes out of 45's mouth, or fingers, simply because he is constantly praising representatives while face-to-face with them, and as soon as that representative turns their back, 45 takes out his knife and stabs them. To me, he seems to be a people pleaser since when he is called on his crap, he always reverses what he said that generated the flack. IMO, this is the sign of a weak individual, not a strong leader. To me, 45 is not negotiating from a position of strength. He is generating ill will, IMO, more than anything else. IMO, the great leader will stand up for what they believe is the best thing without denigrating those with whom they are negotiating. All the denigrating does is elicit an obscene gesture and a reluctance, if not outright refusal, to sit at a negotiating table to work towards a common goal.

But like you said, Captain, we have to endure him for the foreseeable future whether or not we agree with him.
First off, never underestimate the stupidity or sentimentality of the average citizen. Barack Obama received a plurality of >90% in black communities. Now, please don't even try to allude to anything like they were voting from an informed position. "He's black, we're black, and we're voting for him", end of story. So, white precincts showed a much lower plurality, even when they favored the white candidate. You would think that blacks are racist by those statistics, but the NAACP assures me that isn't so. :D

And so it goes that more than likely many of the older generation of Koreans have a fondness for Korea as it once was, a complete nation, without a DMZ. So whether or not they make even a lick of sense, I'm sure those sentiments still exist

KJU doesn't have the foresight or intelligence to concoct a long range plan for the reunification of the Koreas, but I'm sure his advisors and generals.absolutely do. KJU is a spoiled inbred, sociopathic child, which gained its position the old fashioned way, by right of birth, and military support.

As for China, with all the threads going on here about China sending technology to NK, with China stealing the west's intellectual property and selling it back to us, I find it completely.unfathomable why anyone would imagine the Chinese government is not propping up this little troll / turd, to their own advantage against the west.

So, it isn't just me suspicious about NK's motives for its choice of envoys: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42984960

Is this, or rather are these, the "honey" you were talking about?

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As to nuking the fool, I'm well aware of the story of the first H-Bomb turing Bikini island into Bikini atoll, since I've been telling it myself nigh on 50 years.

However, there is no such thing as, "an innocent bystander", at a street fight. Everybody standing around is goading the participants to fight more violently, and cause more injury.

Nor is there any such thing as an, "innocent bystander" at one of Kim Jong Un's military hardware parades. They're standing around goading Kim to build bigger missiles and whatnot..

So, please spare me the hyperboly about the first H[-bomb test, and have a look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon.

Now, you can piss, moan, and caterwaul all you want about Trump's lack of diplomacy, and in certain instances an excess of it, but he's not up for listening for a bunch of double talk from \Germany about back slapping Putin, while they're busy installing a direct gas pipeline to Russia. Wow, talk about talking out two sides of your mouth, that takes the cake, so to speak.
 
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