GeForce RTX 2080 Ti vs GTX 1080 Ti vs GTX 980 Ti: Flagship Versus

[PurpleYoda]

With ray-tracing enabled, the gains are 200% to 300% or even more.

I’m sorry, what? With RT ON the difference will be even lower! Those tests were done on the same settings to compare these cards’ “raw power” as the author put it. Otherwise we would see even smaller margins.. Perhaps you were thinking about DLSS instead?

 

[Irata]

The only thing that will force nVidia to lower their prices is competition from other manufacturers.

Sadly no, at least not short term. Many will continue to buy nVidia regardless of what RDNA2 offers and nVidia knows that, so why lower prices ?

 

[Carmaine]

I agree, if others like me are willing to pay these prices then yes you have a problem with my spending. Because as long as enough people like me are happy to pay the prices then they won’t come down. And yes you’re within your rights to complain as much as you like. I’m just fed up with it, please concern yourself less with my spending. I can assure you, no matter how many negative comments you leave the prices won’t come down and people like me won’t be dissuaded.

And yes of course id like to pay less. However I’d like to have a graphics card more. I could sit here complaining about it on some cheap old ageing system or I could suck it up and get on with it.

Of course I could lose my job. Or the prices could increase to beyond my budget. However if these things happen I doubt I’d take to a tech forum and complain in order to get the luxury items I desire.

I agree here. As much as everyone would like to have the prices lower, Nvidia isn't losing any sleep for people like us who can't afford it. There WILL be others that can.

Not the same thing, but I had a buddy wanting to buy a car. He wanted a 2020 Honda Accord. I told him he can get a new Civic or the lowest tier Accord. Both of which is all that's needed to get from point A to point C, without crashing at point B.

Nope. He paid the extra 11 grand to buy the top tier, fully equipped Accord (Touring). He may not use all the bells and whistles in it. But he wanted it and he had the money for it.

 

[Avro Arrow]

All the names of these great scientists: (Nicola) Tesla, (Enrico) Fermi, (Johannes) Kepler, (James Clerk) Maxwell, (Blaise) Pascal, (Alan) Turing, and (Andre-Marie) Ampere adorn the names of GeForce architectures. After Ampere what's next? Watt? Galileo? Copernicus? How long until we see Banting, Curie, Goddard, von Braun, Einstein or Hawking?

I consider the fact that nVidia named the GTX 400-series after the man who invented the nuclear reactor absolutely hilarious. Is that odd?

 

[christiangeli]

Stick with 1080p and enjoy stable gaming. No dlss, no dynamic resolution. With 4k you have to enable crap to downsize the quality to perform well without frame drop.

 

[Endymio]

I’m sorry, what? With RT ON the difference will be even lower!

No, only if you're comparing a 1080 w raytracing off to a 2080 with. Here's some benchmarks from DigitalFoundry on several titles, showing a 2080 beating a 1080 by more than 300% in one title. The only time the delta drops below 50% on any title is in scenes while have little or no actual use of RT, even if the setting is enabled:

 

[Pastuch]

No one buys a 2080ti to play games at 181 FPS in 1080p without raytracing. There are quite a few games which now take advantage of raytracing, and the performance gain in this case was -- when the card was first released -- infinite, since a 1080 could not then ray trace. An infinite increase in speed is pretty good, I would say.

Why do people keep saying this nonsense? I have a 280hz monitor and I game exclusively at 1080p at the lowest quality settings. In games like Warzone, all that matters is FPS and since me and 60 million other people play that game every day you're damned right we want to buy 3090s and 3080s (or big navi). I own a 1080 TI and the first gen of RTX cards offers very little benefit to me per dollar. I'm planning on buying a 3080 because I only get about 170 fps average in Warzone and I want that up to about 280fps or higher if I can.

Edit: Techspot PLEASE start benchmarking with COD:MW. It's literally the only game a lot of us play.

Edit 2: Just watched the launch video, buying a 3080 on launch day.

 

[Endymio]

Why do people keep saying this nonsense? ...I own a 1080 TI and the first gen of RTX cards offers very little benefit to me per dollar.

In other words, you play at 1080p without raytracing, and you didn't buy a 2080ti just to eke out a few more frames. In other words, exactly what I said. I did not say that no one plays at that framerate.

 

[ziffel66]

Those price increases over just 2 generations is just shockingly unjustifiable

The only thing that justifies a price is if people buy it at that price or not. These cards sell like hotcakes and the bitcoin mining craze it was even worse.

Watch when the 3000's come out and immediately sell out at much higher prices than current.

 

[Pastuch]

In other words, you play at 1080p without raytracing, and you didn't buy a 2080ti just to eke out a few more frames. In other words, exactly what I said. I did not say that no one plays at that framerate.

My point was that people like me don't care about raytracing at all. We care about frames exclusively so tech like DLSS 2.0 would be amazing if Warzone supported it (but it doesn't).

 

[Shadowboxer]

Sadly no, at least not short term. Many will continue to buy nVidia regardless of what RDNA2 offers and nVidia knows that, so why lower prices ?

You’re referring to AMD. And yes you’re right, AMD have been letting users down for years with their atrocious driver support. Most of us wouldn’t use Radeon if you gave us the cards for free, they really are absolute junk.

However, if a competent competitor came in then the prices could come down.

The only problem is the next competitor is looking like it might be Intel *facepalm*. Although tbh they don’t have to do much to beat AMD..

 

[Irata]

You’re referring to AMD. And yes you’re right, AMD have been letting users down for years with their atrocious driver support. Most of us wouldn’t use Radeon if you gave us the cards for free, they really are absolute junk.

However, if a competent competitor came in then the prices could come down.

The only problem is the next competitor is looking like it might be Intel *facepalm*. Although tbh they don’t have to do much to beat AMD..

Intel ? That‘s a good one.

 

[Buhaj]

Thanks to another member of this forum, I know the 2080 Ti is the only choice.

 

[Pastuch]

You’re referring to AMD. And yes you’re right, AMD have been letting users down for years with their atrocious driver support. Most of us wouldn’t use Radeon if you gave us the cards for free, they really are absolute junk.

However, if a competent competitor came in then the prices could come down.

The only problem is the next competitor is looking like it might be Intel *facepalm*. Although tbh they don’t have to do much to beat AMD..

I've owned dozens of AMD/ATI graphics cards and would buy from them again tomorrow. I've had more driver issues with my 1080Ti than I did with my R9 290. Stop talking nonsense. If big navi was out and priced better than nvidia, I'd buy one.

 

[Endymio]

My point was that people like me don't care about raytracing at all. We care about frames exclusively...

Which makes it all the more confusing that you call nonsense a statement that is not only true, but one you apparently agree with.

 

[Lew Zealand]

Yet Steve and Tim use 5700s (XTs?) and do not see that. I use a 5600XT and do not see that. You had a bad experience and that's no different than many Nvidia users experience based on TS's and others' data. AMD in general needs to get it's software in order but for the vast majority, AMD's software is working well.

There was the recent survey with higher rates of return for AMD cards but it was also clear that one AMD-only manufacturer had notably higher return rates than all others and if you grouped all AMD and Nvidia makers apart from that one, there was very little difference between them, though AMD was still a bit higher.

And the 2080 Ti had the highest RMA of all models. Not to throw shade on Nvidia, merely to note that you don't see anyone here as TS complaining about that, yet according to the data they should be. Small data pools distort conclusions.

 

[neeyik]

After Ampere what's next?

Apparently, it will be Hopper.

 

[Beerfloat]

there is no games to take advantage of these tensor cores unless you think playing quake is a good game.
If I spent 1400 on a 2080ti card I be fuming right now.

You probably wouldn’t. It’s more likely you’d be rationalizing your purchase in your mind, the way most people do.

Here’s my rationalization. Computers really aren’t all that expensive, as far as hobbies go. Spending, what, only $3-4K a year on something you love? That’s not bad at all.

 

[loki1944]

Yet Steve and Tim use 5700s (XTs?) and do not see that. I use a 5600XT and do not see that. You had a bad experience and that's no different than many Nvidia users experience based on TS's and others' data. AMD in general needs to get it's software in order but for the vast majority, AMD's software is working well.

There was the recent survey with higher rates of return for AMD cards but it was also clear that one AMD-only manufacturer had notably higher return rates than all others and if you grouped all AMD and Nvidia makers apart from that one, there was very little difference between them, though AMD was still a bit higher.

And the 2080 Ti had the highest RMA of all models. Not to throw shade on Nvidia, merely to note that you don't see anyone here as TS complaining about that, yet according to the data they should be. Small data pools distort conclusions.

Their software is pretty crap compared to nvidia, no question about it. That said I haven't had the black screen bug with 290X/390/390X/Vega 56/Vega 64/RX 470/RX 580/HD 7850/HD 7950/HD 6970/HD 5870/HD 4870.

 

[Bamda]

This is why I never upgraded my 1080 Ti to the 2080 Ti because I knew Nvidia was overselling their products and underdelivering on the performance for the price.

“We’ve established that the RTX 2080 Ti cost ~70% more than the 1080 Ti” and as a 1440p gamer this made it pretty clear, the RTX 2080 Ti was only “23% faster at 1440p” then the 1080 Ti.

And with the release of the 3070, I read that "The same could be said about the new RTX 3070 that according to Nvidia, nearly matches the $1,200 RTX 2080 Ti in raw performance."

Finally a 2080 Ti for $500.

 

[Rdmetz]

Pretty much as expected. People will complain about prices but they aren’t coming down and clearly enough people are willing to pay them. Suck it up or buy a console.

Not coming down eh?

Lol a 2500 dollar titan replacement just became 1500 and a 1200 dollar 2080ti is now being beaten by a 499. Meanwhile you can get 2x the performance of an $800 2080 for $699

Not coming down at all!

Lmao

 

[Rdmetz]

This is why I never upgraded my 1080 Ti to the 2080 Ti because I knew Nvidia was overselling their products and underdelivering on the performance for the price.

“We’ve established that the RTX 2080 Ti cost ~70% more than the 1080 Ti” and as a 1440p gamer this made it pretty clear, the RTX 2080 Ti was only “23% faster at 1440p” then the 1080 Ti.

And with the release of the 3070, I read that "The same could be said about the new RTX 3070 that according to Nvidia, nearly matches the $1,200 RTX 2080 Ti in raw performance."

Finally a 2080 Ti for $500.

You people who ask for things like that will always get your wish in time of you're just willing to do without til it becomes doable but yall don't matter innovation is driven by the top end and its only when they improve that you end up getting your wish.

The 2080ti should never have been a $500 card that's not where it's value was in 2018.... In 2020 yes now you can have your $500 card but it's still not a 2080ti it's just its power shuffled down the line.

 

[Rdmetz]

You probably wouldn’t. It’s more likely you’d be rationalizing your purchase in your mind, the way most people do.

Here’s my rationalization. Computers really aren’t all that expensive, as far as hobbies go. Spending, what, only $3-4K a year on something you love? That’s not bad at all.

My rationalization was I got 2 years of the best in gaming you could get at the time had my fun and then sold it last month for 88% of what I paid for it and am now looking at upgrading to a 3090 for $250

My rationalizing isn't the typical kind cause mine absolutely makes sense to anyone with half a brain.

Had the best in pc gaming since 2013 and only spent on average about $300 a year out pc pocket.

Buying and selling and when you do is a huge part of what makes high end pc gaming a expensive hobby or a very affordable one.

 

[Rdmetz]

1. No one is forcing you to buy new video cards. Every new card released is an option: additional freedom of choice. Most people like having choices.

2. NVidia has a certain margin on each card. Even if every consumer on the planet abstains from buying, they won't produce cards below margin. And, if they don't receive that margin plus enough extra to cover R&D and a reasonable ROI, they will stop developing new and better cards entirely.

That's how economics work. You may not like the fact that many people find these cards an attractive price-for-benefit option, and enough of them do so to keep NVidia producing them-- but those consumers are financing the next wave of graphics. They are the solution, not the problem. There are hundreds of thousands of different industries in the world, and you would be hard pressed to name one that has advanced more and faster in the last decade than graphics cards. That's what these high prices give us ... and we all benefit from it.

Exactly it's like attacking someone cause they can afford a Ferrari and you can't even though tech developed for their high end car eventually trickles its way down to yours and at a much more affordable cost thanks to the high end buyers paying to R&D it.

Or take the phone market what was once a $299 flagship now sees its 7 year later direct replacement costing over $1000 yet no one's screaming blind consumerism about them. The fact of the matter is your just showing your own selfish desires to have more than you can afford or are willing to spend but in either case youre asking for more without any real reason to expect it.

I used to buy the best flagship phones because I needed their huge performance over the other trash but with time I've found my needs can be handled by today's middle of the road phones and my costs that obviously matter more to me than raw performance are being met at the same time.

I'm not Out there throwing a fit because I used to have the best phone in the world and now 7 years later it costs 3-4x as much be able to say the same thing.

 

[Tom Sunday]

I am still running a GTX 980Ti in a 5-year old Intel system purchased on Craiglist and having no issues playing 90% of my games. My games which forbid "Ultra Settings" (but are still playable) are no more than 2-3. Metro Exodus is one of them. Amazing what the excitement and varied commentaries here are all about? Also amazing is that many people seemingly still have or maintaining the purchasing power for the most elite of GPU's. No matter the costs? Unless of course everything remains on credit again and they live in Mom's basement? As we all know corporate jobs with 401K, Blue Cross & Blue Shield, pensions, guaranteed bonuses and $80K starting salaries in a cubicle are a dream of the past. Unless of course you have real inside senior executive connections. Reality is that Coca Cola, IBM, GE and my few remaining friends at Pfizer are not hiring outsiders in these positions. But what do I know? After reading all of the posts here I can still not discern the real truth or value between a 980 and a 2080? The numbers and data still confuse and blurr while my Cooler Master Hyper PC is well behaved and Fallout 4 playing like a charm for the 50th time.