GeForce RTX 2080 Ti vs GTX 1080 Ti vs GTX 980 Ti: Flagship Versus

[Markoni35]

And as consumers, you let the company know, publically, WHY you are not buying, because if you dont the behaviour will continue. If enough consumers stop buying Nvidia will notice.

Exactly so! People, corporations and other organizations can be trained just like dogs. If you don't like what they are doing, you yell at them or punish them. When you like what they are doing, you reward them. But not too much. You don't wanna spoil them.

Human brain is probably the best and most complex example of this feedback technology. When you do something bad, you get pain as the feedback. Horrible pain. Which can last for hours. Or days. Or even years. But when you do something right, like having sex, you get pleasure. But to avoid spoiling you too much, this pleasure feedback lasts for only a short period of time. And then back to work

That's in essence how intelligent systems use feedback to function effectively. It works the same way from microscopic to macroscopic world. Multinational corporations are definitely "macroscopic". And they need to be punished by consumers when behaving badly. Just like dogs.

 

[Endymio]

Multinational corporations...need to be punished by consumers when behaving badly. Just like dogs.

The particular multinational corporation known as NVidia needs to be rewarded by us consumers. Thanks to them, the graphics card industry has progressed at light speed for the past two decades. Look at how little most other products have changed since the year 2000 ... then compare a 3090 to the original GeForce 256.

NVidia can't single-handedly take all the credit for this progress, but more so than any other firm alive today.

 

[Bamda]

You people who ask for things like that will always get your wish in time of you're just willing to do without til it becomes doable but yall don't matter innovation is driven by the top end and its only when they improve that you end up getting your wish.

The 2080ti should never have been a $500 card that's not where it's value was in 2018.... In 2020 yes now you can have your $500 card but it's still not a 2080ti it's just its power shuffled down the line.

The most important thing you said was " you end up getting your wish."

 

[Markoni35]

The particular multinational corporation known as NVidia needs to be rewarded by us consumers. Thanks to them, the graphics card industry has progressed at light speed for the past two decades.

Actually, there would be very little progress if there wasn't ATI/AMD. No monopolist will every improve anything, unless forced by a competitor. We can see that Intel was just rebranding their 3770 CPUs for the Nth time in the last 10 years. Selling them under a different name, but basically the same CPU.

As soon as Ryzen series appeared, the number of cores increased by 50 to 100%, IPC increased, clocks increased, everything became better.

Do you know how would RTX 2080 look like without AMD? There would be no RTX series. There would be no pressure to add ray-tracing or go above GTX 260 in performance.

We don't have to clap to any of them. They are earning mucho dinero on that business. We just have to hope there are at least 2 top players in the graphics cards arena. Because if any of them would disappear, the remaining monopolist would inflate the prices and stop improving the product.

 

[dad0ts]

If 3080 is really available for $700, then it's fine: about 50% more fps than 2080 ti, for about 60% of its price. But...it looks like we'll not be able to buy Ampere until 2021, Samsung 8nm process is still not ready to produce the chips in massive amounts. So until then the prices will be much higher and the supply will be short. So this is smth like paper launch on Sep 17: only a very small number of cards will be available.

 

[Neatfeatguy]

All I'm seeing is my 980Ti was a helluva investment since she still cranks out games at 1080p for me without a problem and plays the games I still like playing at 5760x1080.

The next issues I come across will be:
1) do I upgrade this gen (once AMD comes out with their lineup)?
2) if I don't upgrade, how much longer can I expect my 980Ti to be supported? My guess is, at least 2 more years....if she's still going at that point.

 

[Markoni35]

The next issues I come across will be:
1) do I upgrade this gen (once AMD comes out with their lineup)?
2) if I don't upgrade, how much longer can I expect my 980Ti to be supported? My guess is, at least 2 more years....if she's still going at that point.

When the time comes to upgrade you'll know.

 

[Ludak021]

Pretty much as expected. People will complain about prices but they aren’t coming down and clearly enough people are willing to pay them. Suck it up or buy a console.

Aaaand you were wrong. They came down.

 

[ddferrari]

Great article, Steve!!

I think the 1080 Ti for 1440p gaming was the best piece of "kit" I ever bought.

It will be overkill, but I'll be scoring an RTX 3090 with a factory WB from either Aorus, EVGA or ASUS. I will keep this card for five years and likely enjoy the full glory of a 120Hz 3440x1440 monitor in all games at max settings the entire duration. Maybe I'll even venture into 4K gaming; this card will easily offer that option.

This is the upgrade I've been waiting for! And some lucky neighborhood gamer will be scoring a (still) excellent GPU for cheap. I got what I needed out of it.

 

[discoScrew]

It's true, the biggest driver of graphical demand today is resolution, whereas previously it was improved textures and polygon counts. While those are still going up, if you've stuck at 1080p realistically you could have gone 7+ years on the same GPU. Even the archaic 7970 still works OK at 1080p today.

I cant think of another time where that was possible. My vega 64 is still chugging along no problem, ususally by now I'd be looking at cards 2-3 gens newer.

Hence why I have an RX 580, it is slowly showing it's age but luckily the prices will crash.

 

[ddferrari]

Great article, Steve!!

I think the 1080 Ti for 1440p gaming was the best piece of "kit" I ever bought.

It will be overkill, but I'll be scoring an RTX 3090 with a factory WB from either Aorus, EVGA or ASUS. I will keep this card for five years and likely enjoy the full glory of a 120Hz 3440x1440 monitor in all games at max settings the entire duration. Maybe I'll even venture into 4K gaming; this card will easily offer that option.

This is the upgrade I've been waiting for! And some lucky neighborhood gamer will be scoring a (still) excellent GPU for cheap. I got what I needed out of it.

I retract my statement. I can't justify 2X the price for 10% more performance. BUT...

A 20GB VRAM variant of the RTX 3080 sounds good! I'll wait until December and weigh my options.

 

[Rdmetz]

I retract my statement. I can't justify 2X the price for 10% more performance. BUT...

A 20GB VRAM variant of the RTX 3080 sounds good! I'll wait until December and weigh my options.

The 20gb cards are unnecessary. I'd rather pay the premium for the 3090 and it's actual performance benefit vs a 3080 that will cost several hundred dollars more for what amounts to a d*** measuring contest.

I have the financial freedom to get the 3090 (seeing how I sold my 2080ti for $1100 after 2 years of usage) and I fully plan to use the 3090 for a similar time frame and sell it off for a majority of what I paid for it (like I'd with the 2080ti and every previous top tier card going back to 780 in 2013)

The 3090 may be overpriced but it will still be the most powerful gpu they have til their next big update and I'll want to sell it to someone a couple month before that. It's value just like the 2080ti will remain high right up until the next big launch (and even past it if these type of problems happen again).

I say all this now but it's not what I'm going to do I've already done it the 3090 asus oc card is sitting in my pc with my 10900k (bought for 225 after selling 7700k for 300 in May) as we speak.

 

[ddferrari]

The 20gb cards are unnecessary. I'd rather pay the premium for the 3090 and it's actual performance benefit vs a 3080 that will cost several hundred dollars more for what amounts to a d*** measuring contest.

I have the financial freedom to get the 3090 (seeing how I sold my 2080ti for $1100 after 2 years of usage) and I fully plan to use the 3090 for a similar time frame and sell it off for a majority of what I paid for it (like I'd with the 2080ti and every previous top tier card going back to 780 in 2013)

The 3090 may be overpriced but it will still be the most powerful gpu they have til their next big update and I'll want to sell it to someone a couple month before that. It's value just like the 2080ti will remain high right up until the next big launch (and even past it if these type of problems happen again).

I say all this now but it's not what I'm going to do I've already done it the 3090 asus oc card is sitting in my pc with my 10900k (bought for 225 after selling 7700k for 300 in May) as we speak.

So you feel that the 10GB version will age well enough? I usually keep my cards for about four years- or roughly two gens. It's not a huge deal, but my three year old 1080Ti already has 11GB of vram.

Wow, what sucker paid $1100 for a two year old, $1200 card?? Not bad!

 

[Rdmetz]

So you feel that the 10GB version will age well enough? I usually keep my cards for about four years- or roughly two gens. It's not a huge deal, but my three year old 1080Ti already has 11GB of vram.

Wow, what sucker paid $1100 for a two year old, $1200 card?? Not bad!

Well when I sold in July they were the only known for sure top performer out there and they were oos everywhere with people willing to pay over retail to get one.

To my buyer it was probably a "steal" and to people outside of our type the upcoming chips were probably way out of mind at the time.

I didn't ask for anymore than it was "worth" at the time its just too bad the whole market was over paying at the time and unwilling to be patient.

I am fine with being patient and went without my top tier card for over 2 months now I was rewarded with paying significantly less now.

 

[Rdmetz]

Yes I fully suspect the games of today to be fine (as well as everything previous) and with future games taking advantage of things like direct storage and rtx I/o games "need" for so much memory will be cut back (they never REALLY needed it to begin with but still took advantage of it).

They will be more memory "optimized" and the more important factor will be speed of memory (combined with speed of your pci 4.0 nvme).

If you're just wanting to play the next 3 or 4 years of AAA games at 4k I think it will be fine.

You'll see only very small to 0 gains in fps by having the 20gb but only way to "prove" it is to look back after the fact.

I feel comfortable that I'll be correct.