GeForce RTX 3080 Ti vs. Radeon RX 6800 XT

Dimitriid

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Some constructive (Yet I'm aware, unsolicited) feedback: We know prices are bad right now. We also know it's not going to get better until at least a year from now more or less. Yet we also know you built your channel on the strength of hardware reviews and comparison videos.

Just state that and point out "Here are the numbers for those lucky to find at MSRP and for future reference" We don't need to encourage *anyone* to go "I'm tired of waiting I'm paying 2-3x MSRP right now" because guess what? If enough people listen to this even reluctantly then that's the new MSRP with or without shortages or miners: That's going to be the new normal in 1 year if you ever tell people "Well it sucks but it if you don't want to wait..." Just do the responsible, consumer advocacy stance of saying "Here are the numbers but you absolutely should not buy them, it's just a bad idea for everyone overall if you buy"
 

R00sT3R

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However, if all GPUs were available at MSRP, then the RTX 3080 Ti would be about the dumbest purchase you could make, dumber than even the RTX 3090
Not only that, but the non-Ti RTX 3080 would be the best value high-end GPU: roughly matching the performance of the 6800 XT, while offering all those extra features such as better ray tracing support, and of course, DLSS. So in a normal market, we’d recommend just getting the RTX 3080.



..Looks lovingly at my RTX 3080 FE, purchased for £650 MSRP and then selling my RTX 2080 for £450 two days later.

Just about the only good thing (so far) to happen this year, TBH.
 

BSim500

Posts: 869   +2,018
That's going to be the new normal in 1 year if you ever tell people "Well it sucks but it if you don't want to wait..." Just do the responsible, consumer advocacy stance of saying "Here are the numbers but you absolutely should not buy them, it's just a bad idea for everyone overall if you buy"
Exactly. The whole thing would come crashing down overnight if the average person leaned to say "no" to scalpers in the first place. But with the average gamer having all the self-control of Steven Seagal at a burger stand, the price they're willing to pay today is ultimately the new price they're indicating to manufactures will become "normal" for tomorrow...
 

Dimitriid

Posts: 1,311   +2,557
Exactly. The whole thing would come crashing down overnight if the average person leaned to say "no" to scalpers in the first place. But with the average gamer having all the self-control of Steven Seagal at a burger stand, the price they're willing to pay today is ultimately the new price they're indicating to manufactures will become "normal" for tomorrow...
Don't disagree but I would clarify that basically all retail stores are now scalpers and it's because of distributors and AIB partners. I know there's still scalpers in ebay and such but it's not limited to only those there's nobody even willing to sell MSRP no matter how "legit" the store is and their solutions like Newegg's raffle are actually far, far worst by forcing bundles.
 

Sausagemeat

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Just a shot in the dark but you wouldn’t be able to include minecraft RTX benchmarks? They are very difficult to find but it will be the driving factor as to which is the next GPU I will buy. Minecraft is the worlds most popular game of all time after all.

And that won’t be either of these cards. Over £1000 for a gaming card is absurd and just not worth it.

I think most gamers are like this. It’s miners who are buying from scalpers. Until the miners ease up it looks like gamers will just have to go without.
 

VitalyT

Posts: 6,026   +6,385
I agree, the market sucks. I was waiting very long to get a new PC, and I did pay 1550 euro for 3080 Ti. I don't think it was dumb, the card is very good, it is like 3090, but without the extra useless memory and overheating problems. I'm not a gamer, but I found myself playing RTX Quake II many times, and loved it, and it wouldn't be the same with Radeon.
 

Aaron Jones

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What on earth is wrong with all of the FPS graphs? I'm pretty sure the 1% low FPS on the 3080 Ti wasn't 4000.
 

Neatfeatguy

Posts: 553   +959
What on earth is wrong with all of the FPS graphs? I'm pretty sure the 1% low FPS on the 3080 Ti wasn't 4000.

Was going to say. I think Steven made some typos on the graphs for the 1% lows. Putting "4K" in the wrong spot when building the graphs. I think some work needs to be done to fix those graphs.
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,432   +3,760
What on earth is wrong with all of the FPS graphs? I'm pretty sure the 1% low FPS on the 3080 Ti wasn't 4000.
Noticed that too - I suspect that the formula for their numbers is off by a row or something - "4K" is the result for all those graphs when it is clearly meant to be the title of the next part of the graph :)
 

DZillaXx

Posts: 413   +530
Once AMD can get their RayTracing on the same level as Nvidia, Nvidia is going to really have some serious competition. I'd just have a hard time wanting the AMD for anything more than the short term. RayTracing will become common place in the next 5 years. And as someone that tends to rock a GPU for 4-5 years at a time, I'd still go Nvidia.
 

Cycloid Torus

Posts: 4,842   +1,662
I think I got lost in the faceplant aisle. We are comparing an nVidia card to a Radeon card. The card which sells for roughly 33% more (quick look at Amazon links) is faster. But note, it is a fire-breathing monster (3x8-pin) that uses more energy than my house lighting (LED 7w x 28 bulbs). The 6800xt uses less (2x8-pin). Looking around, I find prices for each card vary hugely, so the 3080Ti can be a much higher priced card than the 6800xt.

Rather than comparisons of unequal cards, I would like to see an article about successful strategies to cope with the wild distortions in the current video card market.
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,432   +3,760
Rather than comparisons of unequal cards, I would like to see an article about successful strategies to cope with the wild distortions in the current video card market.
Because there are hundreds of those stories already online... it's a tech site - so comparing tech stuff is what you get :)
 

Raytrace3D

Posts: 269   +313
Some constructive (Yet I'm aware, unsolicited) feedback: We know prices are bad right now. We also know it's not going to get better until at least a year from now more or less. Yet we also know you built your channel on the strength of hardware reviews and comparison videos.

Just state that and point out "Here are the numbers for those lucky to find at MSRP and for future reference" We don't need to encourage *anyone* to go "I'm tired of waiting I'm paying 2-3x MSRP right now" because guess what? If enough people listen to this even reluctantly then that's the new MSRP with or without shortages or miners: That's going to be the new normal in 1 year if you ever tell people "Well it sucks but it if you don't want to wait..." Just do the responsible, consumer advocacy stance of saying "Here are the numbers but you absolutely should not buy them, it's just a bad idea for everyone overall if you buy"

I waited over 2 years to finally buy a new card. I was one of those who paid the insane price not because I wanted to, but because I needed too. I paid over 1450 bucks for my 3080 Ti. I use it for design / creative work and it will easily pay for itself in a short period of time. My biggest struggle this past 2 years has been actually getting a new high-end card due to stock availability. I'm not someone to rush to a retail store and camp out the day before praying for MSRP (I don't have time for that), so I have to settle for whatever the price is where ever I can find it. The price is absolutely an inconvenience for sure but the availability is the main problem for me. I can't make money without having a good graphics card, so for me, the price is justified if I can recoup the loss.

That said, I totally get where you're coming from, but it's not the general public driving prices up. We don't account for the vast majority of these sales. Mining organizations and big businesses are why these cards are selling at the prices they are. It's all about demand. If the general public stopped buying these cards then that will only slightly impact prices since the vast majority of these cards are not being sold at retail. As long as these cards can be used to make money, they will sell until it's no longer profitable.
 

Julio Franco

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What on earth is wrong with all of the FPS graphs? I'm pretty sure the 1% low FPS on the 3080 Ti wasn't 4000.
Was going to say. I think Steven made some typos on the graphs for the 1% lows. Putting "4K" in the wrong spot when building the graphs. I think some work needs to be done to fix those graphs.

Thanks for pointing it out. The scale of the graph was fine but we made a labeling issue on Excel, now fixed :)
 

Dimitriid

Posts: 1,311   +2,557
I waited over 2 years to finally buy a new card. I was one of those who paid the insane price not because I wanted to, but because I needed too.
I've kept my one card longer than that, 5 years now. In fact, I'm not even using it at this time I'm only using an APU integrated graphics. It's good enough for older titles and smaller indie games.

I don't necessarily disagree with your reasoning I used to have this same mentality until fairly recently. So keep that in mind when I say that I cannot agree that you NEED a gpu.

Your personal choices are your own however and any single user buying a card is not going to make any difference, it's ok if you got one you might as well use it.

But things are very different when by definition, being an influencer you tell people what's the better plan to buy overpriced cards. Tim's opinion should be far more cautionous than your personal experience simply because he reaches far more people and can push people that are on the brink to think they need a gpu when they really do not: there's more games to play than AAA titles and even those can be enjoyed at a reasonable experience with some compromises if you must, without an overpriced gpu or a used product.

Nobody *needs* a gpu and the more people that consistently realize this, the faster this crisis gets resolved because let's be real: companies making a lot of money out of the demand will *never* fix things on their own because that's contrary to their mission statement to not only make money, but to make all of the money, all the time, above all other concerns up to an including consumer concerns.
 

QuantumPhysics

Posts: 5,447   +6,241
None of these GPU are available at MSRP.

The 3080 at MSRP is as low as you should go.

A $1200 3080 makes no sense- but you can’t get it at that price anyway. They are $1999 here in Microcenter NYC wherein I got both my 3090 FTW3 for $1799 during Cyberpunk’s release week.
 

zamroni111

Posts: 219   +142
Rdna2 is launched just to check nvidia pricing.
amd gets more profit per transistor from making ryzen anyway. moreover, it will get much more profit if the ship is sold as epyc server processor.
 

paul1122

Posts: 186   +180
As usual, in a test between an AMD an Nvidia card, we chose another non tested Nvidia card, because that's what we do.

On another note, Nvidia doesn't think you should buy an AMD anything. I mean we.
 

Raytrace3D

Posts: 269   +313
I've kept my one card longer than that, 5 years now. In fact, I'm not even using it at this time I'm only using an APU integrated graphics. It's good enough for older titles and smaller indie games.

I don't necessarily disagree with your reasoning I used to have this same mentality until fairly recently. So keep that in mind when I say that I cannot agree that you NEED a gpu.

Your personal choices are your own however and any single user buying a card is not going to make any difference, it's ok if you got one you might as well use it.

But things are very different when by definition, being an influencer you tell people what's the better plan to buy overpriced cards. Tim's opinion should be far more cautionous than your personal experience simply because he reaches far more people and can push people that are on the brink to think they need a gpu when they really do not: there's more games to play than AAA titles and even those can be enjoyed at a reasonable experience with some compromises if you must, without an overpriced gpu or a used product.

Nobody *needs* a gpu and the more people that consistently realize this, the faster this crisis gets resolved because let's be real: companies making a lot of money out of the demand will *never* fix things on their own because that's contrary to their mission statement to not only make money, but to make all of the money, all the time, above all other concerns up to an including consumer concerns.
Well, as I mentioned, I did need a GPU. It's not for gaming (I only play one game consistently and it's just a game, so it doesn't matter), although if I were a streamer, I'd consider that a justifiable purchase and write it off on my taxes if it would impact my business.

My old video card was giving me "black screen" issues and would consistently crash or flick on and off 10 seconds at a time every few minutes... that's kind of a big deal when you're attempting to host a client review meeting. The card was much older than 2 years old (that's just how long I was waiting to upgrade it). I couldn't wait any longer and since I finally was able to actually purchase a new card (again, due to availability, not price), I pulled the trigger. Some fields of work require a high-end card. I do graphic design, 3D work and programming. Yes, I could get away with buying a lower end GPU (if one was available), but having a higher end card directly impacts my productivity and profitability.
 

Rdmetz

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..Looks lovingly at my RTX 3080 FE, purchased for £650 MSRP and then selling my RTX 2080 for £450 two days later.

Just about the only good thing (so far) to happen this year, TBH.

Bro how about selling your 2080ti middle of August for $1050 getting a Asus tuf 3080 for $699 on launch day then turning around 8 months later and having someone trade you a 3080ti ftw3 ultra for it straight up (they only cared about mining and didn't realize the 3080ti was worse)

Its been a VERY GOOD year for me when it comes to gaming.

But honestly it's been a great decade I've managed to time my upgrades to never have anything less than the best and have spent at most about $200 a year on average to stay on top now for a decade almost.

My last 3 upgrades were literally free or they put money back in my pocket.