Harvard physicist's claim of alien origins for ocean meteor fragments met with skepticism

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A hot potato: The Harvard physicist who claims that the small fragments he found on the ocean floor could have alien origins isn't finding much support from fellow scientists and experts, whose responses to Avi Loeb's theory have ranged from skepticism to anger.

We heard earlier this month that Loeb, who serves as Frank B. Baird, Jr. Professor of Science at Harvard University, had set off on an expedition to recover fragments of a meteor, IM1, that exploded near Manus Island on January 8, 2014.

According to a study led by Loeb and Amir Siraj, an astrophysics student at Harvard, the meteor's speed and the fact it exploded much lower in the Earth's atmosphere indicated "a possible origin from the deep interior of a planetary system or a star in the thick disk of the Milky Way galaxy."

"There are about 850 spoken languages in Papua, the most linguistically diverse place on Earth," Prof Loeb wrote on Medium. "Yet, if the expedition recovers a gadget with an extraterrestrial inscription, we will add a new language to this site."

The voyage recovered several tiny spherical objects of sub-millimeter size and sub-milligram mass made of a steel and titanium alloy stronger than what is found in other meteorites. Loeb said they could be part of a spacecraft from another civilization, or some technological gadget.

But Loeb's enthusiasm isn't shared by many of his fellow scientists. "People are sick of hearing about Avi Loeb's wild claims," said Steve Desch (via The New York Times), an astrophysicist at Arizona State University. "It's polluting good science – conflating the good science we do with this ridiculous sensationalism and sucking all the oxygen out of the room."

Desch added that several of his colleagues were now refusing to engage with Loeb's work in the peer review evaluation process. "[Loeb's claims are] a real breakdown of the peer review process and the scientific method," Desch told the publication. "And it's so demoralizing and tiring." He also argues that if IM1 really was traveling as fast as the data shows, which is taken from the US DoD, it would have burned up in our atmosphere.

Peter Brown, a meteor physicist at Western University in Ontario, also questioned Loeb's methods. He said that although several events detected using ground-based radar and optical networks appear to be interstellar, nearly all of them are due to measurement error. Loeb responded that the government was likely to "know what they are doing," and US Space Command said in a letter that it was 99.99% certain of IM1's interstellar origins.

"I like wild and crazy ideas – they make us all think – occasionally one of them might be right. But I'm extremely skeptical about this one," said Dan Werthimer, chief technologist of the SETI Research Center at the University of California, Berkeley.

The spheres have been sent to Harvard University, the University of California, Berkeley, and the Bruker Corporation in Germany for more in-depth analysis. Loeb says the results will be published in a scientific paper that will be submitted for a peer-reviewed journal.

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Scientists with crazy ideas make sure that the rest of the community keeps focused on the point of science, the process of testing individual ideas and discarding them if the tests fail or provisionally accepting them if successful, pending subsequent repeated successful tests by other people.

But of course people are super good at twisting their ideas to fit any facts they choose and just ignoring the ones that they deem irrelevant. In the end if someone won't let go of their pet idea which is separated from reality, it will render itself irrelevant anyway because nothing can be learned from it, so few if any people will have any reason to follow it.
 
Loeb's comments are nothing more than speculation. Even if the composition of the spheres is unusual from a material standpoint, that does not mean they were manufactured by some alien civilization.

Scientific proof of being manufactured by an alien civilization is nearly impossible to obtain or produce at this point in humanity's development. You would have to have on the order of a sample of the same material that an alien made and gave to you and proof that it was given to you by an alien and made by said alien. Otherwise, any comments about it being made by an alien civilization would still be speculation.
 
People will resist the idea of aliens until a fleet of attack vehicles take out a city. And even then they'll find other explanations.

I have no idea about this specific case but there's been a growing noise level from US government and military sources over say the past 12-24 months that's starting to feel like they are preparing us for something. We've got senior congressional leaders willing to be quoted on the record that they have high-ranking, highly credentialed government sources telling them about non-human technology in their possession. We've had I think two rounds now, with a 3rd coming, of actual passed legislation with increasingly specific laws around disclosure of this material. This is stuff you couldn't get an elected official to get within a mile of in public comments even say a decade ago.
 
Harvard? WHAT A JOKE. They just hired a WEF puppet to oversee and become "Censorship Queen."

Her mission? To use AI algorithms to make government "The single source of truth."

Necessity is always the plea for every infringement of human freedom.
It is the argument of tyrants...
 
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