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Intel 'Clover Trail' Atom processors won't support Linux

By Leeky ยท 14 replies
Sep 17, 2012
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  1. Intel has detailed Atom's successor at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco, previewing Clover Trail's power efficiency tweaks as well as revealing that the next generation of portable devices running Intel's new processor will be incompatible with Linux.

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  2. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Booster Posts: 227   +7

  3. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Booster Posts: 227   +7

    Well with due time, given that they'll release any white papers, the kernel devs will eventually get around to it. Here's to hoping1
  4. Well, it is not like every processor in the world is gonna be a "clover trail" atom.
  5. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Booster Posts: 227   +7

    Hm, there's a "medfield", too bad they didn't call this one "cloverfield".
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  6. On the ARS site they said it was because Microsoft made an exclusive deal with Intel on this particular chip. This is so MS can use advanced power functions. All in all it doesn't sound like that big of a deal and that if the Linux community wants to figure out how to use this chip they will. With that said, it would be nice to have AMD or some other company as a better competitor of Intel.
  7. No! News got this the wrong way round again...
    The OS runs on the CPU, not the CPU on the OS as it would have to be if 'cloverfield' processors didn't support Linux. Linux supports a particular processor in its kernel code, not the other way round! It probably won't take long to see what hints ye Old'e Windows Kernel is giving to the processor core. Obviously the Chip will run linux easily, just not to its full potential. Except if Intel went Anal and put a 'kernel identifier' routine into the CPU core. Which would be just stupid, incredibly so and very non-Intel'ligent.
  8. Zeromus

    Zeromus TS Booster Posts: 227   +7

    But the article just said the cpu introduced new power states that possibly could be the reason why **they're** not support linux, I.e. contributing to the kernel.
  9. Vrmithrax

    Vrmithrax TechSpot Paladin Posts: 1,467   +500

    Afraid you are only half right. The problem is that Intel changed and added a huge amount of internal functionality and code hooks. Typically, when fundamental changes are being made, Intel works closely with operating system coders to be sure everything works together well. In many cases, the OS programmers are directly using Intel-developed code to correctly hook into the CPU functions.

    However, in this case, Intel chose to work closely with Microsoft to ensure that Win8 would work flawlessly, but snubbed the Linux development community. It was a conscious choice, and pretty smart financially - Intel is betting on Win8 and the Pro versions of Surface to be hits, and has set up Clover Trail to ride the wave in. Only having to deal with Microsoft/Win8 on the development side cuts development costs (mostly in compatibility programming at the end).

    Linux will only be able to truly work 100% with Clover Trail when all of the internal documentation for the chip is released, Intel works with Linux developers, Linux developers completely reverse-engineer all of the changes, or some combination of those options. At this point, Linux is essentially the ignored bastard step-child and Win8 is the privileged prodigal son.
  10. "Intel clover trail atom processor won't support linux"
    "Intel has just finished android 4.1 Jelly bean port for x86 phones"
  11. MrAnderson

    MrAnderson TS Maniac Posts: 488   +10

    Looks like Intel is trying to put a wrench in the up take of Atom's use in low power server configuartions. It canabalizes sales on their intended server platforms, which of course cost more.

    I don't know much about the Android kernal, but if it is Linux based, whatever work Intel did to ready Android for the Medfield might be helpful to getting Linux back on track. The question is, is the x86 code made available???
  12. How many ignorant people out there perpetuate the LIE that Android is an OS?

    Android is a User Interface running in JAVA, on top of a Linux OS....

    Get that straight... do a little research, and enlighten your life a little...
  13. Android does not have a kernel... but the Linux it runs on top of DOES...

    Android is a Java Implementation of a User Interface for a small footprint Linux distribution.

    The standard parts of X86 code should be supported by most Linux OS's... it's the new low power states and other new features that will have to be ported to the Linux kernel for FULL support..

    I think the article should have said this chip is not FULLY supportive of running Linux with all features enabled...
  14. jobeard

    jobeard TS Ambassador Posts: 12,896   +1,530

    This makes the Clover Trail an ASIC design rather than a General Purpose processor.
    I love it - - hardware vendors win some / loose some by the choices they make.
    With declining margins on chips, someone will pay dearly for the loss of some users.
  15. ankur321

    ankur321 TS Rookie

    I am using E7500 core 2duo2.93ghz intel processor with 2 gb ra, 1gb graphic card, my syste support which version of linux

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