Intel Nova Lake CPUs may finally bring a 3D V-Cache rival to desktop gaming

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Rumor mill: Since their launch in early 2022, AMD's X3D CPUs have become the most-sought after CPUs for PC gamers who want top performance, thanks largely to their 3D V-Cache technology, which enables higher frame rates and smoother gameplay. Intel is now reportedly planning to counter AMD's recent dominance in high-end gaming by incorporating similar technology in its upcoming Nova Lake CPUs.

According to tipster @Haze2K1, at least two SKUs in the Nova Lake lineup will ship with increased L3 cache. Intel calls the new technology "bLLC," which is short for "big Last Line Cache." The leaker added that both SKUs with bLLC will feature 8 P-cores and 4 LP-E cores. One will be paired with 20 E-cores, while the other will include only 12. Both chips are expected to have a 125W TDP.

bLLC is an integral part of Intel's latest Clearwater Forest server CPUs, but the company has so far denied plans to bring the technology to its consumer lineup.

In a November 2024 interview with YouTubers der8auer and Bens Hardware, Intel's Tech Communications Manager, Florian Maislinger, stated that Team Blue had no plans to introduce a 3D V-Cache-like technology in its desktop processors.

In the Clearwater Forest chips, the local cache is integrated into the base tile, which sits beneath the active tiles and acts as an interconnect. Adding more cache to the base tile would make the Nova Lake processors structurally similar to AMD's 9000-series X3D chips, which also feature V-Cache attached to the bottom of the CPU dies.

Intel's future lineup will reportedly be led by the flagship Core Ultra 9 485K with 52 cores and a 150W TDP, while the entry-level chip is expected to be the Core Ultra 3 415K, featuring 12 cores and a 125W TDP.

In the first two generations of X3D, AMD placed the V-Cache on top of the CPU chiplets, which led to poor thermals and throttled clock speeds. With its third-generation X3D lineup, AMD moved the V-Cache beneath the chiplets, improving both thermal performance and clock behavior.

Nova Lake-S is expected to launch in late 2026 or early 2027 and is rumored to include at least six desktop SKUs. The lineup will reportedly be led by the flagship Core Ultra 9 485K with 52 cores and a 150W TDP, while the entry-level chip is expected to be the Core Ultra 3 415K, featuring 12 cores and a 125W TDP. The processors are also tipped to use the all-new LGA 1954 packaging and a new socket.

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I doubt it.

That's Intel, communists who suck on on the tit of Uncle Sam.

They are useless.

It's as if like that CA Governor clown was suddenly given Chip-making powers.
 
Even if they pull of the performance by magical means, if they can't keep the voltages and power consumption down its all pointless. No one wants a 270W cpu which cooks dinner.
 
Why are people hopeful that Intel would fail? I really don't understand the fanboyism for a corporate company.

If both AMD and Intel succeed and give us great options, that's a win for any consumer. If Intel takes an enormous nosedive it would not spell good for innovation and future CPU options.

Just look at how bad it is with GPU's..

If you want best card for:
AI: Nvidia
RAW performance: Nvidia
Gaming performance: Nvidia
4k or higher performance: Nvidia
Out-of-box usage watt per cost: AMD(?)
Tweaked(Undervolted) watt per cost: Nvidia
DLSS vs FSR: DLSS(Nvidia)
Cuda vs Zluda: Cuda(Nvidia)


The best card AMD currently has is on the same level of raw performance as a 5070, which basically means it's worse than the previous generation Nvidia 4080/4090 cards.

While a card on the level of a 5070 would be fine for 90%+ of the people, AMD is still far behind, either by choice(saving R&D costs) or not.

While building my new PC with practically the best components I could manage to get I couldn't get around the 9950x3d(AMD) and 5090(Nvidia). With there being a smaller difference between CPU options, in terms of GPU's it was a simple choice of 1 possible card.

For me as a consumer that's BAD, I would love to have 2-10 choices around the same performance level, but at the current time there simply isn't.

No consumer wins if one brand fails or falls behind. The one in front can price their hardware as much as they want and you wouldn't have any viable alternatives.

I hope at some point Intel/AMD/Nvidia are head-to-head in terms of CPU/GPU options, rather than there being huge disparities.
 
Hopefully they learned to put the cache on the bottom like with Ryzen 5 x3d due to higher clocks and temps. Problem is the consumers that just game don't really need the e cores. How will Intel compete with like of 9600x3d and or successor replacement 🤔?


For reference the direct competition is probably the 9950X3D selling as low as $629 as of 6/29/25
 

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Why are people hopeful that Intel would fail? I really don't understand the fanboyism for a corporate company.
Now let's see:

- Intel has bribed OEMs not to use AMD parts.
- Intel switches sockets for no reason all the time (LGA1156 and LGA1155 difference is really one pin, nothing else. LGA1151 is another story), even when promising compatibility (LGA775 Core 2)
- Intel rather make unstable CPUs than admit AMD is better (Raptor Lake)
- Intel fanboys on corporates are just plain morons, how Intel still has higher market share than AMD?

Quite many reasons to hate Intel.
 
Now let's see:

- Intel has bribed OEMs not to use AMD parts.
That was 20 years ago.
- Intel switches sockets for no reason all the time (LGA1156 and LGA1155 difference is really one pin, nothing else. LGA1151 is another story),
Unless you're buying a CPU every year, this is a real nothing urger to develop hatred around. Speaking of the pot calling the kettle black, remember socket am1 and fm1 and fm2?

Should we hate AMD for that?
even when promising compatibility (LGA775 Core 2)
LGA 775 supported two generations of netburst and three revisions of core 2.
- Intel rather make unstable CPUs than admit AMD is better (Raptor Lake)
Raptor lake was a screw up by Intel, but are you suggesting that if they admitted AMD was subjectively better and did nothing for two years, that would be better?
- Intel fanboys on corporates are just plain morons, how Intel still has higher market share than AMD?
This tells me you've never worked in a corporate environment. Businesses are not DIYing their PCs. If dell/hp/Lenovo do not offer AMD options, they're gonna buy Intel. This also does not take into account the fact that until recently AMDs toolset was far behind what Intel offers with things like the management engine.

And in the server world, things move very slowly. Changing between CPU vendors can cause VM instability. No tech or engineer is gonna risk his career to push for some AMD servers.
Quite many reasons to hate Intel.
If one puts no thought into it, yeah.
 
That was 20 years ago.

Unless you're buying a CPU every year, this is a real nothing urger to develop hatred around. Speaking of the pot calling the kettle black, remember socket am1 and fm1 and fm2?

Should we hate AMD for that?
Intel bribing meant AMD went nearly bankrupt and therefore had to abandon high end GPU development because they needed to focus on Ryzen. So everyone that complain about AMD not having high end GPU can blame Intel. Surprise, something happening long time ago can have huge effect on today. Main reason why Intel even got popular is fact that IBM chose Intel CPU for IBM PC. That was over 40 years ago :DDDD

Every year? AM4 got new CPUs for around FIVE years. FM1 and FM2 use APUs that have totally different CPU architectures. Complaining that totally new CPU architecture requires new socket is just plain stupid Unless promised. AM1 was never meant to be long term socket and motherboards were dirt cheap anyway.
LGA 775 supported two generations of netburst and three revisions of core 2.
That's what trolls always tell. "Forgetting" that Intel promised Core 2 support for many Pentium 4 motherboards that didn't happen. Additionally there were power issues and higher FSBs that practically meant at least 4 generations of LGA775 boards, despite socket was physically same. Late LGA775 boards didn't even support Pentium 4 so basically there were very few if any LGA775 boards that actually supported all CPUs you mentioned.

So no, LGA775 was long term socket only ways no-one was interested. Just like LGA1151.
Raptor lake was a screw up by Intel, but are you suggesting that if they admitted AMD was subjectively better and did nothing for two years, that would be better?
Intel shouldn't have rushed Raptor Lake AND overvolt it. Not it was just hot mess that didn't even work properly long term.
This tells me you've never worked in a corporate environment. Businesses are not DIYing their PCs. If dell/hp/Lenovo do not offer AMD options, they're gonna buy Intel. This also does not take into account the fact that until recently AMDs toolset was far behind what Intel offers with things like the management engine.
That just tells customers are plain stupid. OK, customer says they want AMD and tell "their" OEM that if the do not offer AMD, they just buy from someone else. What happens next? Well, customer just accepts that if they don't offer what we want, we buy from them anyway. That's just plain stupid.

And in the server world, things move very slowly. Changing between CPU vendors can cause VM instability. No tech or engineer is gonna risk his career to push for some AMD servers.

If one puts no thought into it, yeah.
Have to wonder, where all those AMD server CPUs go if no-one is willing to "risk" anything? It just seems more and more are taking risks and it seems to work for some reason. In other words, there were no real reasons, only pathetic excuses.
 
And why not, O great sage?
Intel's architecture doesn't suffer from the same memory communication bottlenecks as AMD's, and its IMC is generally more refined.

Zen's topology, on the other hand, still has significant room for improvement. Currently, it supports core groups of up to 8 cores per CCX. When scaled to 16-core configurations, communication between two internal CCXs is required, introducing additional latency overhead:
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Intel bribing meant AMD went nearly bankrupt and therefore had to abandon high end GPU development because they needed to focus on Ryzen. So everyone that complain about AMD not having high end GPU can blame Intel.
When intel was pulling bribes, Ati was an independent company! Despite said bribes and their effectiveness, AMD still found it within themselves to pay $5 billion (over twice what Ati was worth) to acquire Ati. They also poured billions into building what would become Global Foundries.

AMD's debt problem was caused by AMD.
Surprise, something happening long time ago can have huge effect on today. Main reason why Intel even got popular is fact that IBM chose Intel CPU for IBM PC. That was over 40 years ago :DDDD
Surprise, things that happened a long time ago can be totally disconnected from today. AMD was making bank in the 2000s, that was 20 years ago :)
Every year? AM4 got new CPUs for around FIVE years. FM1 and FM2 use APUs that have totally different CPU architectures. Complaining that totally new CPU architecture requires new socket is just plain stupid Unless promised. AM1 was never meant to be long term socket and motherboards were dirt cheap anyway.
OK, so is changing CPU sockets good now? Or is it bad? You cant seem to make up your mind. Intel put both netburst and conroe on LGA 775, so what is AMD's excuse here?

This is what we call hypocrisy.
That's what trolls always tell.
Throwing ad hominems is always a good sign for the quality of an argument.
"Forgetting" that Intel promised Core 2 support for many Pentium 4 motherboards that didn't happen. Additionally there were power issues and higher FSBs that practically meant at least 4 generations of LGA775 boards, despite socket was physically same. Late LGA775 boards didn't even support Pentium 4 so basically there were very few if any LGA775 boards that actually supported all CPUs you mentioned.
But it's OK when AMD does it? 300 series boards still, to this day, do not fully support ryzen 5000 or the x3d, and 500 series boards do not support 1 or 2000 series ryzens, or the construction core based 9000 series APUs.

So, again, it it only bad when Intel does it? Shouldn't you be slagging AMD for not fully supporting AM4?
So no, LGA775 was long term socket only ways no-one was interested. Just like LGA1151.
Oh, so it was a nothingburger that nobody cared about? That's an odd reason to hate Intel then.
Intel shouldn't have rushed Raptor Lake AND overvolt it. Not it was just hot mess that didn't even work properly long term.
Yes, raptor lake was a screwup. AMD has NEVER done that....... *cough* Phenom cache bug *cough*.

If you hate a company that released a bad product, well, hate to break it to ya but you're going to be living like the Amish real soon.

And, again, if we're hating a company that released a failed product, we dont hate AMD because?
That just tells customers are plain stupid. OK, customer says they want AMD and tell "their" OEM that if the do not offer AMD, they just buy from someone else. What happens next? Well, customer just accepts that if they don't offer what we want, we buy from them anyway. That's just plain stupid.
This is written like a teenager who has never worked a real job in his life.

Newsflash: corporate environments are not enthusiast spaces. Corporate environments buy equipment that suits their needs, preferably with warranty that covers their use and support contracts. Sure, they can leave feedback with their representative, but if Dell doesnt make an AMD latitude laptop, we're not going to torch our multi million dollar contract and rip up all our infrastructure to switch to Acer.

The only big OEM that offers necessary features and AMD options is Lenovo, and since they dont offer work laptops with metal frames, we dont consider them. Their plastic frames simply do not hold up to the strain.

This is the reality of a REAL work environment. You're not going to switch vendors because AMD's APUs are 20% faster in Minecraft. Unless you actually need those capabilities, its not gonna happen.
Have to wonder, where all those AMD server CPUs go if no-one is willing to "risk" anything? It just seems more and more are taking risks and it seems to work for some reason. In other words, there were no real reasons, only pathetic excuses.
You are absolutely clueless about how production environments work. Risk must be calculated when changing vendors, just because one CPU gen is good does not mean a company will drop everything and switch. If funding becomes available to replace everything at once, THEN AMD becomes a much more viable choice.

With your attitude, you'd end up getting fired when your hybrid AMD/intel server workflow crashes VMs and costs the company millions, while you rant about how your boss is "stupid" for not buying more AMD.
Intel's architecture doesn't suffer from the same memory communication bottlenecks as AMD's, and its IMC is generally more refined.

Zen's topology, on the other hand, still has significant room for improvement. Currently, it supports core groups of up to 8 cores per CCX. When scaled to 16-core configurations, communication between two internal CCXs is required, introducing additional latency overhead:
See, this is why I miss Anandtech


Meteor lake was already showing significantly worse inter core latency then raptor lake had


Arrow lake is arguably even worse, with up to 100ns latency between cores. That's arguably worse then AMD's CCD to CCD latency.


Intel's design WILL benefit significantly from the large cache. Even WITH low core and memory latency, Broadwell showed significant improvement with its 128MB cache. How soon we forget our history!

Go ahead and quote this when these big cache nova lakes launch, I'd bet that they'll significantly benefit in performance.
 
When intel was pulling bribes, Ati was an independent company! Despite said bribes and their effectiveness, AMD still found it within themselves to pay $5 billion (over twice what Ati was worth) to acquire Ati. They also poured billions into building what would become Global Foundries.

AMD's debt problem was caused by AMD.
So AMD debt problems had nothing to do with fact that their sales declined because Intel bribed OEMs? Sales declined because of bribes that causes company to get less money but you claim that has nothing to do with money problem? Well, not much to say here.
Surprise, things that happened a long time ago can be totally disconnected from today. AMD was making bank in the 2000s, that was 20 years ago :)
OK. Let's assume scenario: AMD goes bankrupt like 10 years ago. Situation today would be exactly same? Anyone that has even minimal eperience from technical field knows that Past times have huge effecr on how things are today. Again, if AMD had more money, AMD has more money to develop GPUs and AMD has chance t odevelop high end GPUs. Simple. So Intel bribes still affect GPU market today.
OK, so is changing CPU sockets good now? Or is it bad? You cant seem to make up your mind. Intel put both netburst and conroe on LGA 775, so what is AMD's excuse here?
Socket was physically same but nobody actually cares if socket is "physically" same or not if you need new motherboard for new CPU. Of course different pin usage makes socket different too. Those who try to put CPU on incompatible motherboard do also care. Therefore your arguments are invalid.
Throwing ad hominems is always a good sign for the quality of an argument.
That is because trolls always try to tell Intel has long term sockets because all LGA775 socket versions are equal. Surprise, they are not. Some even say you could put latest LGA775 CPUs on first LGA775 motherboards that is blatant lie.
But it's OK when AMD does it? 300 series boards still, to this day, do not fully support ryzen 5000 or the x3d, and 500 series boards do not support 1 or 2000 series ryzens, or the construction core based 9000 series APUs.
Don't know what you are telling here. Here's x570 motherboard that support Ryzen 2000 series etc


First try btw. Next time stick with facts.
So, again, it it only bad when Intel does it? Shouldn't you be slagging AMD for not fully supporting AM4?
AMD leaves decision for motherboard manufacturers. Intel just decides that this CPU is not compatible by switching pins, despite promising.
Oh, so it was a nothingburger that nobody cared about? That's an odd reason to hate Intel then.
Quite many tried to put new CPU on old motherboard and then figures out it doesn't work because Intel just decided to screw up them.
Yes, raptor lake was a screwup. AMD has NEVER done that....... *cough* Phenom cache bug *cough*

If you hate a company that released a bad product, well, hate to break it to ya but you're going to be living like the Amish real soon.

And, again, if we're hating a company that released a failed product, we dont hate AMD because?
Phenom cache bug was 1. fixed with firmware update and 2. it didn't break CPU beyond repair. Those kind of bugs exist on all CPUs.
This is written like a teenager who has never worked a real job in his life.

Newsflash: corporate environments are not enthusiast spaces. Corporate environments buy equipment that suits their needs, preferably with warranty that covers their use and support contracts. Sure, they can leave feedback with their representative, but if Dell doesnt make an AMD latitude laptop, we're not going to torch our multi million dollar contract and rip up all our infrastructure to switch to Acer.

The only big OEM that offers necessary features and AMD options is Lenovo, and since they dont offer work laptops with metal frames, we dont consider them. Their plastic frames simply do not hold up to the strain.

This is the reality of a REAL work environment. You're not going to switch vendors because AMD's APUs are 20% faster in Minecraft. Unless you actually need those capabilities, its not gonna happen.
Again, I have no interest about how things actually work. Sticking on one supplier if they won't listen your needs is generally just plain stupid. On corporate space suppliers change all the time. AMD, Intel, Nvidia all do that even with ten to twelve digit number contracts.

Like I said those are just pathetic excuses and some companies just don't have need to do things effectively.
You are absolutely clueless about how production environments work. Risk must be calculated when changing vendors, just because one CPU gen is good does not mean a company will drop everything and switch. If funding becomes available to replace everything at once, THEN AMD becomes a much more viable choice.

With your attitude, you'd end up getting fired when your hybrid AMD/intel server workflow crashes VMs and costs the company millions, while you rant about how your boss is "stupid" for not buying more AMD.
Again, I have more than enough experince and those "it's too hard to change" -things are just excuses, nothing else. It's just nobody cares as long as there are money.

Crashes happen because of why? Because software sucks? Then make better software. Excuses again. We have seen numerous large scale software changes on corporate size enviroments. When there is will to do something, it will happen.
 
Intel's design WILL benefit significantly from the large cache. Even WITH low core and memory latency, Broadwell showed significant improvement with its 128MB cache. How soon we forget our history!

Go ahead and quote this when these big cache nova lakes launch, I'd bet that they'll significantly benefit in performance.
Using your own words:

Surprise, things that happened a long time ago can be totally disconnected from today.

Broadwell with L3 caches launched 10 years ago.
 
Intel bribing meant AMD went nearly bankrupt and therefore had to abandon high end GPU development because they needed to focus on Ryzen. So everyone that complain about AMD not having high end GPU can blame Intel. Surprise, something happening long time ago can have huge effect on today. Main reason why Intel even got popular is fact that IBM chose Intel CPU for IBM PC. That was over 40 years ago :DDDD

- Intel bribing someone 20 years ago has nothing to do with Ryzen...was Ryzen released 20 years ago? Watcha smokin on dawg? If AMD was somehow focusing on Ryzen for 2 decades while releasing the garbage they did in between...fail lol. Ryzen exists because AMD sucked forever in the CPU market and finally someone came around with an idea that didn't suck.

AMD almost died because of itself, not Intel, the company that was creating better products regardless of bribery or not. Nvidia was also rolling them up and smoking them for the majority of that time period as well.

Also, if your product is much better you don't have to really try to bribe someone lol...so what's the real issue aside from the overly exaggerated word "bribe?" It's like asking if you'd consider offering someone a bison burger over a mcdouble to be a bribe while also paying the person not to buy the mcdouble.

Who cares because the bison burger is better and the mcdouble sucks...and you're getting money not to buy the thing that sucks. I don't see the issue here. Don't suck if you don't want others to be able to bribe others and make you crumble.

It's called "gitting gud" and honestly AMD is still garbage. They're just looking a little better now that Intel is having issues. I'd personally rather have an oxidation issue and get a free replacement cpu over the last 3 gens of ryzen that still melt the socket on the motherboard in some cases. Show me a report of an Intel CPU ever melting a socket, with verified pictures. I'll wait.
 
- Intel bribing someone 20 years ago has nothing to do with Ryzen...was Ryzen released 20 years ago? Watcha smokin on dawg? If AMD was somehow focusing on Ryzen for 2 decades while releasing the garbage they did in between...fail lol. Ryzen exists because AMD sucked forever in the CPU market and finally someone came around with an idea that didn't suck.

AMD almost died because of itself, not Intel, the company that was creating better products regardless of bribery or not. Nvidia was also rolling them up and smoking them for the majority of that time period as well.
Companies that have money can afford to develop crappy products. Like Intel. It took 13 years to make Itanium profitable. Something AMD couldn't afford.

For some reason AMD stopped developing high end GPU lineup when market decided Nvidia is better when AMD was clearly ahead (GTX480).
Also, if your product is much better you don't have to really try to bribe someone lol...so what's the real issue aside from the overly exaggerated word "bribe?" It's like asking if you'd consider offering someone a bison burger over a mcdouble to be a bribe while also paying the person not to buy the mcdouble.
Then why Intel did it anyway? Because AMD was better.
Who cares because the bison burger is better and the mcdouble sucks...and you're getting money not to buy the thing that sucks. I don't see the issue here. Don't suck if you don't want others to be able to bribe others and make you crumble.

It's called "gitting gud" and honestly AMD is still garbage. They're just looking a little better now that Intel is having issues. I'd personally rather have an oxidation issue and get a free replacement cpu over the last 3 gens of ryzen that still melt the socket on the motherboard in some cases. Show me a report of an Intel CPU ever melting a socket, with verified pictures. I'll wait.
Money allows to make money and survive despite bad products.

Search web for Intel CPU burned socket, there are many.
 
Now let's see:

- Intel has bribed OEMs not to use AMD parts.
- Intel switches sockets for no reason all the time (LGA1156 and LGA1155 difference is really one pin, nothing else. LGA1151 is another story), even when promising compatibility (LGA775 Core 2)
- Intel rather make unstable CPUs than admit AMD is better (Raptor Lake)
- Intel fanboys on corporates are just plain morons, how Intel still has higher market share than AMD?

Quite many reasons to hate Intel.
It's as if you didn't read what the OP said at all.

Intel didn't bribe companies they gave them exclusivity deals, which the companies accepted, at a time when Intel outsold AMD CPU's and Intel CPUs were by far much better than AMD CPUs. Intel CPUs would have still well outsold AMD CPUs at the time so these deals didn't really matter. It's why AMD CPUs were so cheap at the time, they couldn't charge more, because they were so far behind in features and performance.

Intel switches platforms every other generation which they've done since before they became the underdog. It doesn't make sense to me or many people, but it's the way they've done it for more than a decade. I would argue if you were on a budget first gen Ryzen motherboard you might have had issues moving to a 5000 series CPU. And if you came to the Ryzen platform for 5000 series you'd still have to change platforms to upgrade after that.

"- Intel rather make unstable CPUs than admit AMD is better" How many generations of Intel CPUs were perfectly stable before? AMD had plenty of issues, too, during and before Ryzen. It's as if you weren't using objective data to form an arguement and are rather just doing off of emotions. Before you call me a shill, I have an old computer with an Intel 9900k and an AMD 6650XT, my next computer has a 5950x and 3090 (bought directly from EVGA at MSRP) and my latest computer has a 5700x3D and a 9070XT. I buy which ever system gives me the best performance who's price I can justify.

Unless Intel makes CPU's that do something better, AMD will become the thing people didn't like about Intel. AMD has already dropped most of their budget CPUs and have significantly increased their prices ever since demand and performance of their CPU's have dramatically increased. Without competition it seems that all companies will go NVIDIA.


 
It's as if you didn't read what the OP said at all.

Intel didn't bribe companies they gave them exclusivity deals, which the companies accepted, at a time when Intel outsold AMD CPU's and Intel CPUs were by far much better than AMD CPUs. Intel CPUs would have still well outsold AMD CPUs at the time so these deals didn't really matter. It's why AMD CPUs were so cheap at the time, they couldn't charge more, because they were so far behind in features and performance.
WTF am I reading here? Intel has outsold AMD every time. Intel STILL outsells AMD. When AMD had better product, Intel just bribed everyone not to use AMD so that AMD could not have enough money to challenge Intel. Now AMD has better product and this time Intel cannot do same as last time. What happens? AMD gets market share fast.

Saying that Intel Prescott was better than AMD Athlon64 🤦‍♀️ For example: https://www.anandtech.com/show/1254/10
The comparison we've made here is a very important one; it identifies Intel's strengths and their weaknesses with Xeon, and it crowns Opteron a clear multiprocessor winner. An area that we didn't touch on is cost, which is where AMD truly shines. The Opteron 848 processors we tested are around 1/2 the price of Intel's 2MB L3 Xeon MPs and we have not seen retail data on how expensive the 4MB parts will be.
Intel switches platforms every other generation which they've done since before they became the underdog. It doesn't make sense to me or many people, but it's the way they've done it for more than a decade. I would argue if you were on a budget first gen Ryzen motherboard you might have had issues moving to a 5000 series CPU. And if you came to the Ryzen platform for 5000 series you'd still have to change platforms to upgrade after that.
Intel has done same thing since, forever? User that bought first Ryzen platform 2017, could have upgraded to Zen3 and even get around best gaming CPU on same motherboard 5 years later. Not bad, eh? And those who complain about issues, AMD had no idea about 3D V-cache on 2017.
"- Intel rather make unstable CPUs than admit AMD is better" How many generations of Intel CPUs were perfectly stable before? AMD had plenty of issues, too, during and before Ryzen. It's as if you weren't using objective data to form an arguement and are rather just doing off of emotions. Before you call me a shill, I have an old computer with an Intel 9900k and an AMD 6650XT, my next computer has a 5950x and 3090 (bought directly from EVGA at MSRP) and my latest computer has a 5700x3D and a 9070XT. I buy which ever system gives me the best performance who's price I can justify.

Unless Intel makes CPU's that do something better, AMD will become the thing people didn't like about Intel. AMD has already dropped most of their budget CPUs and have significantly increased their prices ever since demand and performance of their CPU's have dramatically increased. Without competition it seems that all companies will go NVIDIA.
Factory overlocking is main reason why Alder/Raptor lake is unstable and CPU breaks down. Intel just had to overclock it so much they can match AMD. Too bad, CPU just ran too close to limits and broke after some time. If Intel just have accepted AMD is faster and put realistic clocks on Alder/Raptor lake, there would be no issues. AMD problems, well, at least AMD CPUs have no durability issues.

AMD increase prices because AMD uses TSMC and TSMC prices get higher and higher. Blame TSMC, not AMD.
 
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