Intel's next-gen processors have fewer cores but cost more, according to retailers

mongeese

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Highly anticipated: Several European retailers have listed 11th-gen Intel processors, codenamed Rocket Lake. It's a slim series, with only two meaningfully distinct designs. It's also a bit troubled, with fewer cores than the previous generation and higher prices across the board.

Rocket Lake does have one thing going for it, though -- some nice symmetry. It's comprised of 6 hexa-core models and 8 octa-core models. Good job, Intel.

The hexa-cores include the i5-11400, 11400F, 11500, 11600, 11600K, and 11600KF. The octa-cores include the i7-11700, 11700F, 11700K, and 11700KF, and the i9-11900, 11900F, 11900K, and 11900KF. All models feature Hyper-threading.

While a discussion of prices is about to follow, this is a good moment to point out that for the humble overclocker, the 11700KF (the cheapest overclockable octa-core model) is identically performant to the 11900K. So for some, these prices are superb; that can't be denied.

Processor Cores / Threads Base Clock (GHz) L3 Cache (MB) Overclockable Integrated Graphics
i9-11900KF 8 / 16 3.5 16
i9-11900K 8 / 16 3.5 16
i9-11900F 8 / 16 2.5 16
i9-11900 8 / 16 2.5 16
i7-11700KF 8 / 16 3.6 16
i7-11700K 8 / 16 3.6 16
i7-11700F 8 / 16 2.5 16
i7-11700 8 / 16 2.5 16
i5-11600KF 6 / 12 3.9 12
i5-11600K 6 / 12 3.9 12
i5-11600 6 / 12 2.8 12
i5-11500 6 / 12 2.7 12
i5-11400F 6 / 12 2.6 12
i5-11400 6 / 12 2.6 12

As has happened before, Belgian retailer 2Compute began a cascade of pricing divulgence by listing the entirety of the Rocket Lake series. From there, nabbing the identification codes for all the processors lets them be searched, and other listings be found. On average, we found four to five listings for each processor. You might find more if you searched tomorrow.

Pricing fluctuates significantly between retailers, which is partly because of their different pricing schemes, and also partly because of their different locations. In some cases, prices for the same model differed as much as 30 percent between retailers.

Nevertheless, the numbers can be collated and compared with the MSRP and live prices of current generation products. We've created reasonable price estimates for all the processors based roughly on the median price, with outliers and other anomalies (like those that seem to include excessive tax) excluded.

In general, the Rocket Lake processors are being listed for 10% to 20% more than their current generation equivalents, with the margin increasing with the price. In some cases, the margin between the listings and the current generation's MSRPs is larger, but the margin only brushes up against 20% when the listings are compared with the live prices on Amazon.

Processor Code 2Compute (€) Average (€) Average (USD) Current generation equivalent MSRP (USD)
i9-11900KF BX8070811900KF 475.80 500 600 472
i9-11900K BX8070811900K 499.70 510 615 488
i9-11900F BX8070811900F 384.20 410 495 422
i9-11900 BX8070811900 408.10 440 530 439
i7-11700KF BX8070811700KF 352.70 350 420 349
i7-11700K BX8070811700K 376.60 410 495 374
i7-11700F BX8070811700F 282.00 300 360 298
i7-11700 BX8070811700 305.90 320 385 323
i5-11600KF BX8070811600KF 219.00 220 265 237
i5-11600K BX8070811600K 242.90 260 315 262
i5-11600 BX8070811600 206.60 230 280 213
i5-11500 BX8070811500 187.50 200 240 192
i5-11400F BX8070811400F 145.50 150 180 157
i5-11400 BX8070811400 169.40 180 225 182

Some retailer data would suggest that Rocket Lake will be cheaper than the current generation. For example, 2Compute is listing some of the lowest prices for Rocket Lake, and some of the highest prices for the current generation. If only their numbers are used for comparison, then Rocket Lake looks to be 10% cheaper than the current generation.

However, as one commentator points out, that's only true for 2Compute. On the whole, Rocket Lake tentatively appears to be a little more expensive than previous generations. But does more expensive mean worse? Not at all.

Across the series, there are little gems tucked away. An 11400F could arrive at a similar price to the 3600X and outperform it handily. An 11600KF could undercut the 5600X while simultaneously outperforming it. An 11700KF could provide stiff competition to the 5800X at a similar price. And, of course, the 11900K could become the fastest gaming processor once again, which would give Intel some leeway on the pricing.

Intel hasn't shied away from discussing Rocket Lake, and motherboard manufacturers have each revealed several new Z590 models that will accompany the launch. The countdown will begin shortly, certainly. One of the retailers listing Rocket Lake even writes that they'll receive stock before the end of the month.

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yRaz

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I'm an AMD fan because I do lots of virtualization so more cores=more better. But you don't need an 8 core CPU to game, atleast not yet. If Intel can release competitive gaming CPUs I'm all for it.

I do this as a hobby, not professionally, so if Intel plays their cards right maybe I'll eventually be able to pick up a threadripper for cheap😬
 
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Shadowboxer

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Monkey see, monkey do.

Still doesn't make any sense though.
It never does make any sense. AMDs naming schemes don’t make sense either, in fact if AMD launch their next line up of CPUs as the 6xxx series we are going to get GPUs and CPUs from AMD with the same name! Which is something I would have thought they would not want as this will making it more difficult for consumers to find the right product online.

I mean i9 11900K looks like someone at Intel just mashed the keyboard with their fist to create it. I just feel sorry for the marketing team and reviewers who have to say it over and over again.
 

MaxSmarties

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Do not believe that retailer. Here in Europe, their prices are ridiculous (a Ryzen 7 5800X is sold at 664€ , which is insane). This is a fake news.
 

mongeese

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I don't believe any performance claims until benchmarks
We're looking forward to getting review samples (presumably in the next few months) and testing them ourselves, so stay tuned.
Do not believe that retailer. Here in Europe, their prices are ridiculous (a Ryzen 7 5800X is sold at 664€ , which is insane). This is a fake news.
I disagree. The high prices for Ryzen parts are 1) fairly similar everywhere, and 2) a product of excessive demand and insufficient manufacturing capacity. Prices for Intel chips are fine, because Intel has a surplus of 14nm manufacturing capacity. Rocket Lake is almost guaranteed to sell at MSRP, but I also wouldn't put it past Intel to raise MSRP to match the inflated Ryzen prices.
 

Uncle Al

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On the fence on this one ... think I'll wait for the next generation of it to see if they work out the kinks ..... Until then I'm sticking with my AMD.
 

Burty117

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Isn't 12th gen due out at the end of the year? Why would you bother with these? Less cores, more expensive? An i9 range that doesn't appear to be any different than the i7 range?

Am I missing something here? This looks terrible, where's the 12 core? I thought they'd at least continue the trend of adding an extra 2 cores every year until they matched AMD at 16 or something...
 

Achaios

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Do not believe that retailer. Here in Europe, their prices are ridiculous (a Ryzen 7 5800X is sold at 664€ , which is insane). This is a fake news.

What, you think THAT is ridiculous? Nope, it isn't.

Let me show you some ridiculous:

Today's prices from Greece's biggest online shop:

RTX 3090 = 2300 Euros
RTX 3080 = Out of stock. You can't find a 3080 to buy in the whole country. Last time it was in stock it sold for 1600 euros.
RTX 3070 = 936 euros
RTX 3060ti = Out of stock everywhere. Last time it was in stock it sold for around 770 euros.
6800 = 1190 euros
6800XT = Out of stock everywhere
6900XT = 1900 euros

Now this is what "ridiculous" is. Fixed it for you.
 

mongeese

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Isn't 12th gen due out at the end of the year? Why would you bother with these? Less cores, more expensive? An i9 range that doesn't appear to be any different than the i7 range?

Am I missing something here? This looks terrible, where's the 12 core? I thought they'd at least continue the trend of adding an extra 2 cores every year until they matched AMD at 16 or something...
Alder Lake should come six to nine months after. It'll have DDR5 support, which is enough to make it worth waiting for in my opinion.

But if you wanted a more powerful processor, you're probably out of luck. Alder Lake uses eight high performance cores and eight low power cores, and let's be real - the little cores will need to be disabled to get the best performance in games.

Alder Lake will introduce a new architecture, called Golden Cove, and it will use the 10nm node. Those two things could provide a big boost, or they might not.
 

Thunder6230

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What, you think THAT is ridiculous? Nope, it isn't.

Let me show you some ridiculous:

Today's prices from Greece's biggest online shop:

RTX 3090 = 2300 Euros
RTX 3080 = Out of stock. You can't find a 3080 to buy in the whole country. Last time it was in stock it sold for 1600 euros.
RTX 3070 = 936 euros
RTX 3060ti = Out of stock everywhere. Last time it was in stock it sold for around 770 euros.
6800 = 1190 euros
6800XT = Out of stock everywhere
6900XT = 1900 euros

Now this is what "ridiculous" is. Fixed it for you.
When I was a child or say teenager the prices were not that terrible. of course one GF titanium 4200 was available for us like 150$ and was enough for everything. now this level is like 3060ti for almost 800 dollars. in eu 800 eu. thats not normal :D
 
Doesn't matter much how good Ryzen 5000 CPUs are if you can't buy one. I'm still waiting and waiting for a Ryzen 5000 CPU. If these Intel chips are priced right and in the stores, I'll jump on it in a flash!
 

Avro Arrow

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"Fewer cores but cost more."

That should be Intel's mantra because there's never been a better way to describe Intel's CPUs compared to AMD's. That market segmentation is also just ridiculous. The absolute greatest number of SKUs that a company should have for CPUs with a set amount of cores is three, not six and especially not eight.
 
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Neatfeatguy

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Doesn't matter much how good Ryzen 5000 CPUs are if you can't buy one. I'm still waiting and waiting for a Ryzen 5000 CPU. If these Intel chips are priced right and in the stores, I'll jump on it in a flash!

Finding these things online is a horrible pain, they go so fast with everyone having access to the websites that sell them.

I found it better to just find a few days to check stock at my local MicroCenter. Once I saw they had some decent quantities listed in stock on their website I went out to the store and got in line. Ended up with a 5900x without issues.

My local MicroCenter currently is sitting on (according to the website stock, which I'm told is kept fairly current) 25+ of the 5600X processors. The AMD processors usually go out within a few hours to a business day or two later - depending on the quantity of each CPU they get on hand. However, they are sitting on a bunch of 9th and 10th gen Intel processors.....

The store has a crap ton of pre-built computers housing RTX 3070 and 3080 GPUs (okay, not a crap ton, but a whole lot). Currently 26 pre-builts that have a RTX 3070 and 4 that have a RTX 3080. Oh, and even 1 Dell Alienware Aurora R11 Gaming computer (open box item) that has a RTX 3090.

As for the individual GPUs, they come in sporadically....half a dozen here and there of various models and they sell out pretty much immediately. Unless you're really early and lucky, you won't be snagging up a current gen GPU anytime soon. You might actually be better off buying a pre-built system if you're hard up for a RTX GPU.
 

Avro Arrow

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What, you think THAT is ridiculous? Nope, it isn't.

Let me show you some ridiculous:

Today's prices from Greece's biggest online shop:

RTX 3090 = 2300 Euros
RTX 3080 = Out of stock. You can't find a 3080 to buy in the whole country. Last time it was in stock it sold for 1600 euros.
RTX 3070 = 936 euros
RTX 3060ti = Out of stock everywhere. Last time it was in stock it sold for around 770 euros.
6800 = 1190 euros
6800XT = Out of stock everywhere
6900XT = 1900 euros

Now this is what "ridiculous" is. Fixed it for you.
Wouldn't someone from Hellas pronounce it "ριδικυλοσ"? :D
 

Dimitrios

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Intel's next strategy will be having an INTEL rep or engineer that goes to your house and fine tunes your Intel cpu while you are at work or while your using the toilet.