Microsoft boss teases 'next generation of Windows' is coming 'very soon'

CommonSenseTech

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There is nothing Apple can do now on desktop that would suddenly spike desktop popularity back up. And why would they? Most of the market don't want to be confined to a dedicated desk with monitor and keyboard. There are a lot more user friendly interfaces and workflows for everyday Joe. Portable devices is the frontier.
Depends on how you define “desktop.” Mac OS runs on laptops, and Apple laptops are the world’s best for average users. iOS, Mac OS, and iPad OS are all scaled to meet different form factors while sharing a modern hardware architecture (Apple A and M series SOCs) and cloud infrastructure. Macs with M-series chips can run iPad and iPhone apps.

If you count all the devices running in the Apple ecosystem — Mac, iPad and iPhone — Apple is far more important than Microsoft these days.

I suspect “new Windows” is an attempt to milk folks trapped with legacy applications, and that Microsoft knows Windows has no real future. This move will allow them to monetize Windows for as long as possible, and the people who switch to Apple or Google OSes will still be paying Microsoft for cloud services (including Office 365), so MS wins no matter what.

Meanwhile the world can finally move on from X86, the Windows registry, and all the legacy Windows goop that has stood in the way of modern computing.
 
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CommonSenseTech

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Yeah... they're struggling to hit 75% marketshare while MacOS dominates with 16%.... Yep, Windows must be on the verge of dying...

I'd like to know what you're smoking...
In computing terms, Windows is the DEC VAX of 2021. Android and Apple are the dominant OS environments on the systems people develop for and care about; Windows is in a distant third place — what corporate entities stuck with legacy infrastructure continue to deploy until they’ve switched over to modern cloud infrastructure and ditch all their old Exchange servers.

There hasn’t been significant innovation, a new application category, or a new “killer app” for Windows in DECADES. Nobody makes Windows development a priority in non-legacy areas; nobody doing anything new or interesting is “Windows first” or seeking to disrupt the tech market using Windows. All the innovation happens in Apple world and Google world, and most of what they’re doing never even appears on Windows.

Microsoft tried to fix that and made a bit of headway with Windows Phone but then abandoned the platform when they realized how hard it would be.

Windows is coasting on legacy, just like VAX back in the day, and that’s a bad place to be in tech.
 
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poohbear

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The first two are a given but crashes are few and far between now for the overwhelming majority of installations. What they desperately need to do is make the UI friendlier, nicer-looking and more intuitive - basically, go back to the Vista days and forward from there. Another great idea would be to include a switch that toggles between basic user, experienced user and power user modes. perahsp most importantly, Microsoft needs to copy one of Apple's good traits for a change and start supporting user privacy. As it stands they are at least as bad as Google in that department and have been called the "most cooperative" when it comes to providing backdoors to governments.
They are going to make us pay for updates.

Nope. Not with Google's Android OS being number 1 in the world. They wouldn't dare charge for the OS lest Google scoops in and offers their own OS for PCs for free like they did with Android. MS is terrified of chromebooks and the potential for Google to make an OS for PCs. In this environment, Windows will remain free, and they'll just use it to sell their other services.
 

DaveBG

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Every day when I turn off my computer it says there are updates and I select update and shut down and the next day its the same...
 

NeoMorpheus

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Saying the Linux Kernel is tech from the 70's is like saying that processors are just tech from the 50's. While TECHNICALLY correct, so much change has happened since their creation that they really aren't even comparable.

I guess thats why this is finally the year of the Linux desktop.

 

texasrattler

Posts: 1,172   +555
More bloatware, more bugs, more crashes.
Havent had any bloatware in like a decade or more for my computers. Maybe cause I build my own.
If buying pre builds or laptops, well you already know what your buying, so whining about bloatware or anything else isn't related to MS, that would be the manufacturer of the device. But even that stuff doesn't cause much issue overall. Most can also be deleted.

To many people cry about nothing. There will always be people who don't like certain things, oh well, they either get over it or move on.
 

texasrattler

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I guess thats why this is finally the year of the Linux desktop.
LOL. if you think it'll ever take off n the world use it, you are living in a fantasy land.

Also Linux has been around awhile. But until they ever figure out one and only version, it'll never been anything other than DIY desktop.
 

texasrattler

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Every day when I turn off my computer it says there are updates and I select update and shut down and the next day its the same...
That's a your computer/user issue. I've never had that, ever.
Now I know it's possible for there to have issues if your computer don't check for updates or you don't manually check. Issues could arise but again that would be your computer or on you as you didn't do proper maintence on your pc.
 

texasrattler

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So Apple finally moves on from macOS 10 (Big Sur is v11), and now Microsoft will move on from windows 10 too? Monkey see monkey do?
Last I checked its called a update and the macOS is still called the macOS, so nothing changed other than things naturally being updated.
Now windows may finally change its name. Which I think they should have switched to Windows OS a long time ago and just have a version/build. No different than what they are doing with 10 now.
 

texasrattler

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If that is the way we choose to be. That should be our prerogative.
Exactly. But don't cry about it, you choose to use it.
You can choose not to maintain a device. Don't connect to internet then. But if you do then there are and will be rules that you agreed to. Doesn't matter if you like them or not. If they bother you or anyone so much talk with the manufacturer. Or simply use a different device.
 

seeprime

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It took Google six years to take Fuscia from conception to commercial use in a single Nest hub model. If Microsoft has been quietly doing a ground up rewrite that will be far more complex than replacing Android with Fuscia. I hope to be pleasantly surprised. But, experience tells me that MS CEO's have always exaggerated what's coming next, going back to when Bill Gates announced that Windows Me will be 32 bit. It turns out that was what Gates wanted. His people could not deliver it. So, a hybrid OS was released that was still 16 bit at its core.
 

captaincranky

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Knowing Nadella, this, "next big thing", could be the subscription model I'm sure you Windows 10 fans have all been looking forward to. I know I have. :rolleyes:.
 

MarkHughes

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Could kinda do with the update on mine that keeps rolling back fixing first. For quite a while now it has been trying to install it. There is no useful error message displayed, I assume it has reported back each time it has failed. This is on a Dell XPS15 not a rare or unusual configuration. I am not looking forward to the "next big thing".
 

Squid Surprise

Posts: 4,100   +3,262
In computing terms, Windows is the DEC VAX of 2021. Android and Apple are the dominant OS environments on the systems people develop for and care about; Windows is in a distant third place — what corporate entities stuck with legacy infrastructure continue to deploy until they’ve switched over to modern cloud infrastructure and ditch all their old Exchange servers.

There hasn’t been significant innovation, a new application category, or a new “killer app” for Windows in DECADES. Nobody makes Windows development a priority in non-legacy areas; nobody doing anything new or interesting is “Windows first” or seeking to disrupt the tech market using Windows. All the innovation happens in Apple world and Google world, and most of what they’re doing never even appears on Windows.

Microsoft tried to fix that and made a bit of headway with Windows Phone but then abandoned the platform when they realized how hard it would be.

Windows is coasting on legacy, just like VAX back in the day, and that’s a bad place to be in tech.
Lol... show me some evidence to back that up... as for no one developing for Windows... hmmmm... what’s one of the (if not the) most profitable computer industry? Video Games... and last I heard, Windows was a pretty important thing to develop them for... (remember, Xbox basically runs Windows too)...
Windows is still hugely relevant, don’t pretend otherwise...
 

yRaz

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I guess thats why this is finally the year of the Linux desktop.
What does that have to do with the Linux kernel being "tech from the 70s."?

I see so many logical fallacies on this website that I fell like many people here know so little about tech that they should just switch to templeOS
 

captaincranky

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What does that have to do with the Linux kernel being "tech from the 70s."?

I see so many logical fallacies on this website that I fell like many people here know so little about tech that they should just switch to templeOS
My prince, if these infidels wish to speak with their waster management orifices, I say let them. Here in the US, our Constitution's 1st amendment guarantees equal speech to both the bold and the banal. Let freedom ring.. :poop:
 

fadingfool

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Win10 subscription includes basic MS office and some one drive space which automatically provides cloud back-ups (and protection from ransomware) - includes control over telemetry may include X-box pass to entice gamers and a no-advert windows store/search bar.
Win10 - non subscription limited to security updates and no telemetry controls - win store accessible and search bar still there but full of adverts.

(my guess for the future)
 

TheBigT42

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wiyosaya

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What does that have to do with the Linux kernel being "tech from the 70s."?

I see so many logical fallacies on this website that I fell like many people here know so little about tech that they should just switch to templeOS
Exactly. I especially love the logical fallacy "I am doing such and such and it does not happen to me, therefore, you must be using it wrong and should stay off the internet before you contaminate it." Sounds like a Steve Jobs school of computing graduate. 🤣

I also love the logical fallacy "I've been in desktop support for years and years and W10 is the best ever because I think I see less issues with it." :facepalm:

Ah, but what they hey! I figured I waste my time and join the fray. ;)
 

wiyosaya

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Back on topic - I will be skeptical until M$ gives me reason not to be. Statements like "its going to be the best ever" remind me of the current "Candy Man" crApple commercial. Good God as if cell phones are candy to everyone. :rolleyes: