Microsoft brings more ads to the Windows 11 Start Menu, harassing local account users

[texasrattler]

I agree; however, I don't think advertising is the point. As I see it, data collection and user profiling is the point. It is then this, I'm betting, that they market to anyone willing to pay them for it.

To me, this is more insidious than advertising. They are spying on their users with the intent of marketing the data, or using the data in ways that allow them to try to get to "know" users so that they can market that data to outside entities.

I am betting there is a money making basis to this, and since it is unlikely based on their behavior, that advertising is their money making shtick, data collection and profiling their users is, as I see it, the only remaining money making path for them.

After all, what is sales and marketing. Thinking like a marketer which I am not, what better way to figure out how to get you to buy one of the products I am marketing than by learning everything about you that I can in order to play on those aspects to get you to buy my product even though you may not necessarily need or want my product.

For example, cell phone ads that make the cell phone sexy - obviously aimed at males, or cell phone ads that point out how its an "X"G phone - obviously aimed at the tech geek who has to have the latest "G" string.

My point is that they are profiling their users, and that, IMO, makes it especially dangerous and insidious.

All companies spy on their users, that isnt new. Privacy isn't real, it's just a word. There is no privacy when it come to tech. There is not a single government who don't have access. Privacy is a pipedream. Want real Privacy, don't use any tech but we all know that isn't happening for most.

 

[lazer]

I'll stick with win7 in one computer and Ubuntu in the other.
Microslop turns me totally OFF! just getting worse and worse.

 

[texasrattler]

I'll stick with Windows cause it works for me. I don't have half the issues the people and articles talk about.

No company is perfect. MS just works for what I do. Just like Apple works for those who like Apple. Same goes for those who like Google.

You have to use what works for you, whether it's for fun or business.

 

[trparky]

I'll stick with Windows cause it works for me. I don't have half the issues the people and articles talk about.

No company is perfect. MS just works for what I do. Just like Apple works for those who like Apple. Same goes for those who like Google.

You have to use what works for you, whether it's for fun or business.

Exactly. People need to stop letting their ideologies get in the way of using what works.

I don't like everything that Apple does, but I still use an iPhone. Why? Because it works for me. Same goes for Window; it does what I need it to do, and it works. I don't like AT&T all that much but who else am I going to use as an ISP? They're the fastest, most reliable service provider in my area now that they're deploying FTTH in my area. Not much choice there.

Again, people need to stop letting their ideologies get in the way of using what works.

 

[Hotlynx16]

I get the compatibility issue with certain games and applications. I do not understand the "time is worthless" criticism. With years of Windows use under my belt I feel like Microsoft has wasted my time plenty often with unwanted changes I've needed to work around and/or flat out bugs. And when it comes to time-saving tools for power users, I feel like the Linux ecosystem has had an edge there for a long time.

Even if it was true I might retort the trade is that increasingly Windows is free if your privacy and data is worthless.

I have an older Dell laptop and I had to spend hrs finding out how to keep windows update from installing the wrong wireless drivers for it! Then They nuked my network printer and I had to buy one with an Ethernet connection and hook it to my router to make it network accessible again! Then they installed the wrong drivers on my video card! ARGGG! Too many more to list!

 

[texasrattler]

I have an older Dell laptop and I had to spend hrs finding out how to keep windows update from installing the wrong wireless drivers for it! Then They nuked my network printer and I had to buy one with an Ethernet connection and hook it to my router to make it network accessible again! Then they installed the wrong drivers on my video card! ARGGG! Too many more to list!

You do know that you can stop letting like third party drivers from installing? Mine are all only optional and install only if I let them. Been this way for a long time for me.

 

[lazer]

Exactly. People need to stop letting their ideologies get in the way of using what works.

I don't like everything that Apple does, but I still use an iPhone. Why? Because it works for me. Same goes for Window; it does what I need it to do, and it works. I don't like AT&T all that much but who else am I going to use as an ISP? They're the fastest, most reliable service provider in my area now that they're deploying FTTH in my area. Not much choice there.

Again, people need to stop letting their ideologies get in the way of using what works.

ideologies?
not ideologies, its just them using us for business ads and purchases that I am not interested in.

 

[lazer]

I have an older Dell laptop and I had to spend hrs finding out how to keep windows update from installing the wrong wireless drivers for it! Then They nuked my network printer and I had to buy one with an Ethernet connection and hook it to my router to make it network accessible again! Then they installed the wrong drivers on my video card! ARGGG! Too many more to list!

I try NEVER to update.
as Plato said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"

 

[LimyG]

I'll stick with Windows cause it works for me. I don't have half the issues the people and articles talk about.

No company is perfect. MS just works for what I do. Just like Apple works for those who like Apple. Same goes for those who like Google.

You have to use what works for you, whether it's for fun or business.

You are right to a degree. "You have to use what works for you."
No one can deny that, it's true.

But, the thing is that implies a choice. Yes we have Mac, we have Linux, but they are not
really viable alteratives for people who use their PC for business. Believe me, only window OS is useable for big medium and most small companies.
About linux another no go for business.
And both of them are more problematic for gaming - especially Lunux.
Linux needs a decent understanding of computers.

My point is that Wins 11 is the choice that works best for us. But we have no choice really.
And it works while while constantly annoying us with things mentioned.

Not arguing with you, just making a point. If you are fine with Win 11 for whatever reason, that's great for you, no issue. I have gone back to win 10 twice now. Not perfect but not a
telemetry/advertising somewhat buggy (case by case) crap OS.

Of course MS will win in the end so all of this may be pointless. But it still good for those of
us who are disgusted with MS - especially W11 to make our thoughts known. After all a discussion forum is a discussion forum. Cheers

 

[LimyG]

ideologies?
not ideologies, its just them using us for business ads and purchases that I am not interested in.

That's right. It has nothing to do with ideology. It's not relgion, or political. It is simply an awful
OS that annoys a lot of people a lot. Me too.
Speaking for myself I just think MS sucks. I have no ideological feeling about them.

I just hate them. ha ha.

 

[LimyG]

Exactly. People need to stop letting their ideologies get in the way of using what works.

I don't like everything that Apple does, but I still use an iPhone. Why? Because it works for me. Same goes for Window; it does what I need it to do, and it works. I don't like AT&T all that much but who else am I going to use as an ISP? They're the fastest, most reliable service provider in my area now that they're deploying FTTH in my area. Not much choice there.

Again, people need to stop letting their ideologies get in the way of using what work

Another thing. We all know MS only "cares" about customers issues/ complaints/ requests.
If it in anyway limited their core business of telemetry, ads, and maipualation of ads for it' s own products poping up on local accounts.
If everyone was passive and "just accept," they won't improve much and take it that customers don't mind their outrageous policys of these things, so probaly increase steadily more more ads etc.
MS is a semi monopoly so it's different than most companys, but if users never complain, or even praise something and want more of it then they will think anything is OK. Feeback positive, negative or disgusted are needed.

Oh, sorry. Forget the above, they already know what we want due to their highly extensive
Telemetry. They clearly ignore it unless it is about more ads etc. Oh well... but don't accept stuff if its' bad, make your voice heard - in the meantime we are stuck with those sneaky bas...!!@s

 

[texasrattler]

You are right to a degree. "You have to use what works for you."
No one can deny that, it's true.

But, the thing is that implies a choice. Yes we have Mac, we have Linux, but they are not
really viable alteratives for people who use their PC for business. Believe me, only window OS is useable for big medium and most small companies.
About linux another no go for business.
And both of them are more problematic for gaming - especially Lunux.
Linux needs a decent understanding of computers.

My point is that Wins 11 is the choice that works best for us. But we have no choice really.
And it works while while constantly annoying us with things mentioned.

Not arguing with you, just making a point. If you are fine with Win 11 for whatever reason, that's great for you, no issue. I have gone back to win 10 twice now. Not perfect but not a
telemetry/advertising somewhat buggy (case by case) crap OS.

Of course MS will win in the end so all of this may be pointless. But it still good for those of
us who are disgusted with MS - especially W11 to make our thoughts known. After all a discussion forum is a discussion forum. Cheers

You do have a choice but choices aren't always easy or clear. You can can choose not to use Windows. If your business requires you to then that's what you have to use. You can change jobs/careers so you don't rely on Windows but that's the not easy part.
My point is there are choices but most aren't easy.

 

[LimyG]

You do have a choice but choices aren't always easy or clear. You can can choose not to use Windows. If your business requires you to then that's what you have to use. You can change jobs/careers so you don't rely on Windows but that's the not easy part.
My point is there are choices but most aren't easy.

Fair enough. Good exchange of opinions. For what I have to do I must use Windows. Luckily my company has no plans to upgrade to W11. They will pay for an extended service plan.
My IT manager says he and his team get cold sweats every patch day!!

In a more general sense your last sentence is absolutely right.

Edit, I have two poweful PCs. The one I use for gaming I tried w11 twice. The one I use for work literally I have no choice. I said that in case you were wondering why I said I had tried.
So both will be W10pro for a few years more - I hope!

 

[texasrattler]

Fair enough. Good exchange of opinions. For what I have to do I must use Windows. Luckily my company has no plans to upgrade to W11. They will pay for an extended service plan.
My IT manager says he and his team get cold sweats every patch day!!

In a more general sense your last sentence is absolutely right.

Edit, I have two poweful PCs. The one I use for gaming I tried w11 twice. The one I use for work literally I have no choice. I said that in case you were wondering why I said I had tried.
So both will be W10pro for a few years more - I hope!

Yeah the whole business side of things where Windows makes a ton of money is crap shoot. It either works or you deal with various issues all the time. Some just annoying but in business time is money and if our spending time on bs, you ain't making money.

 

[texasrattler]

Fair enough. Good exchange of opinions. For what I have to do I must use Windows. Luckily my company has no plans to upgrade to W11. They will pay for an extended service plan.
My IT manager says he and his team get cold sweats every patch day!!

In a more general sense your last sentence is absolutely right.

Edit, I have two poweful PCs. The one I use for gaming I tried w11 twice. The one I use for work literally I have no choice. I said that in case you were wondering why I said I had tried.
So both will be W10pro for a few years more - I hope!

I went from 10 pro to 11. I don't use my PC for any type of business, not even email. My phone does most of that these days.
Granted I'm not in a corporate environment or anything that like so that also can make a difference.
My PC is for pleasure. Mainly gaming.