Microsoft is rethinking Windows 11 after months of complaints

[yRaz]

If you are too dumb to not at least see online tools to reshape and alter win11 behavior you should stick to windows 10 or get a mac...

There are tons of registry tweaks and guides and offline tools to alter win11 to work better ... this is ""windows 10 sux" all over again when window 7 got two in the back of the head in a dark alley

Too dumb to fix M$'s mistakes? This is why I switched to Linux, I'm smart enough to not participate in their nonsense and that's the only way to win these days. The only way to win is to not play their game. If you follow guides to fix their slop after every update then you're still playing their game.

 

[human7]

And the counter argument to that is that one shouldn't have to do all of that. We never had to remove such absolute garbage from a generic clean install of Windows back in the good old days of Windows 7.

The Windows of today is nothing more than an advertising vehicle for Microslop's services.

Agreed. I use Start11 primarily for the Taskbar, now that they're bringing back that customizeability I may not need it, but it lets me tweak other things so I probably will. In any case, it's never a good situation if the "default" position is "now install some third party software to fix the out-of-the-box experience".

 

[acrossthestars]

The company's broader goal is to make Windows feel more consistent and predictable – less experimental and more dependable.

Where was this supposed "ambition" months ago, when things were taking a backslide in absurd levels of cringe and bureaucratic imcompetence? Why now? What happened, the preceeding couple of weeks, for Microsoft to finally "come to its senses"?

It doesn't really matter.They can say how they're going to improve Windows all they want, but words are empty. Actions have consequences. Until I see effort, I'm gonna assume this is PR drivel to not scare more investors away and lose even more billions of dollars.

 

[Loadedaxe]

I agree with a lot of the points made here....though a few definitely had me rolling my eyes. I won’t call anyone out…you know who you are.

To those who just won’t stop complaining about Windows 7 and 10, it’s time to move on. That era is gone, and it’s not coming back, no matter how hard you hammer away at your keyboard in a tech forum.

Windows 11 is here to stay. If you don’t like it, that’s fine, buy a Mac or switch to Linux. But constantly complaining isn’t going to change anything. Microsoft only started dialing back some of the intrusive AI features because they’re finally facing real competition again, especially with Apple offering more affordable MacBooks, something Microsoft had a clear advantage on for over two decades.

At the end of the day, you’ve got options. You can spend a little time learning how to clean up and customize Windows 11, or just leave it as is. It’s not hard, move the taskbar icons back to the left and turn off things like widgets and chat in the taskbar settings, go through Privacy & Security and disable most of the tracking and background permissions, uninstall the junk apps you don’t use, and clean up your startup apps in Task Manager to speed things up. You can also turn off ads and suggestions in the Start menu under Personalization, and if you really want a more classic feel, there are a ton of tools out there to help.

Personally, I spent less than an hour tweaking mine and got rid of most of the unnecessary bloat that comes with a standard install. It is easy to do, even a 10 year old could do it.

And before it is pointed out that mom and pop wouldn't know how to do it, they don't need to all they are doing is checking emails and browsing the web, get them a MacBook Neo!

 

[bviktor]

It's okay, it's been only 5 years, I'm sure they'll fix thing shortly.

 

[brucek]

Their tone misses the key point for me, which is that it's not about doing more performance and reliability work. It's about stopping the bloat that causes all the performance and reliability problems. Until they're willing to stop treating their core O/S as the kitchen sink of revenue generating opportunities, no amount of extra patching is going to fix the problem.

 

[AnilD]

A Microsoft VP publicly saying he hates his own company's policy and is working on it is both the most and least reassuring thing I've read all week. On one hand, good, someone inside actually gets it. On the other hand, if a VP can't just... change it... what does that say about how decisions get made over there?

 

[Coisa]

I have buyers remorse after upgrading from Win 10 last October. I am retired and building a Linux network to rival this current one would take too much of my remaining years. If I had my druthers I'd keep 10 and not worry about any updates if I could

I wish for the days when a Windows upgrade was $40 bucks and good/safe enough to use until the next one came (and was refined) out of beta. The internet and Microsoft's "services" have changed that all for the worse. We are almost forced to buy service that we don't need. My biggest wish - a local account that has nothing to do with my MS account or its intrusions. It's not possible now and probably will never be again.

Microslop's facing competition from a $500 8 gig Apple Neo is hilarious. MS just told us to buy completely new systems for $$$ if ours didn't meet their specs.

 

[arrowflash]

This is an important point. A proper QA department should catch most of the problems the recent updates have had. A slower cadence too, apart from security fixes.

Also, sunk cost: the best strategy could be resetting the codebase, perhaps to 10, and porting what's necessary. From there, have a strict protocol about what gets committed, and work towards removing feature creep.

Resetting the codebase would definitely be the best thing to do, but I'm sure that ship has sailed. It's only wishful thinking.

 

[toooooot]

Updates broke my windows 3 times in about 6 months.
And one time took me almost entire day to fix it.
This is not right. It is outrageous. I do not remember ever
having such issues so often. Right now, I have all updates disabled
because I am just tired trying to just be able to use my PC.
The need to do better, and maybe it is time to look at hiring practices.
There is always a reason for quality issues. And it always has a name.

 

[GeoffreyA]

Resetting the codebase would definitely be the best thing to do, but I'm sure that ship has sailed. It's only wishful thinking.

Agreed; it's not going to happen.

 

[p51d007]

MONTHS? MONTHS of complaints?

 

[trparky]

I generally wouldn't have a problem with Windows 11 if it weren't for the following issues...
* Ads for other Microsoft services being shoved in our faces.
* Lack of decent quality control so that obvious bugs don't make it to the end user.
* Obvious performance issues with Explorer, you know... the one thing that we all interact with on a daily basis.
* Forced telemetry.

 

[Anton Longshot]

“Trust is hard-earned, easily lost, and difficult to reestablish.”

Good luck with that, my former friends at Microsoft.

 

[Karlos95]

As I've said repeatedly on Reddit and have been upvoted countless number of times...

I WILL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT!!!

Until then, I won't be holding my breath and will continue to plan out my transition to the Mac. Windows can suck it.

From one sh!tty company to the next. Why not linux...

 

[trparky]

From one sh!tty company to the next. Why not linux...

I have genuinely tried, it doesn't work for my needs.

 

[Coisa]

Microsoft laid off a significant portion of its quality and assurance (Q&A) staff as part of broader layoffs across the company in November 2014. Support had largely switched to "The Microsoft Community" of experts. That is us, it's unpaid support to spot quality problems after they are released into the wild. Saving increased shareholder equity and dividend checks, and used to develop and deploy AI data and centers

Do ya think that could be part of the cause of today's Windows 11 slop?

 

[abactuon]

Windows has become as vast as the "Mahābhārata". Now they're going to simplify it to the "Bhagavad Gita".

 

[TheUsername]

After using windows 11 for ~4 months on PC, I might just switch to Windows 10 LTSC since Windows 11 just tanks my frames on AAA games.

 

[johnsonlam.hk]

I'm not excited at all since he is developler, the sales people did think different and technical people usually don't have any real power to make decision, even WOZ did not. Until Microsoft announce to restore the choice for end users, I'm not optimistic about the so-called "Improve Windows 11", the ideal windows should be like Windows NT 4.0, my previous company running a NT 4.0 server without rebooting for almost a year without any performance issue, well the good old days is over.

 

[maxxcool7421]

And the counter argument to that is that one shouldn't have to do all of that. We never had to remove such absolute garbage from a generic clean install of Windows back in the good old days of Windows 7.

The Windows of today is nothing more than an advertising vehicle for Microslop's services.

you omitted the ''windows 10 sux'' screaming fest from everyone HERE when win7 was ditched.. the same thing occurred, tools, reg hacks, menu replacments ... this is just the same thing again only now all the win10 haters from almost 20 years ago are now freaking out yet again... lol...

 

[maxxcool7421]

After using windows 11 for ~4 months on PC, I might just switch to Windows 10 LTSC since Windows 11 just tanks my frames on AAA games.

wierd. most every HARDWARE review site using hardware from the last 6 years noted the same level of performance or slightly better 1% lows and better fps averages...like this VERY SITE

Windows 11 25H2 vs Windows 10: Which is Faster for Gaming?

Microsoft loves to promote Windows 11 25H2's AI features and other improvements, but can it game faster than Windows 10? We tested 14 modern titles to find...

www.techspot.com

NEEEEXT!

 

[maxxcool7421]

Updates broke my windows 3 times in about 6 months.
And one time took me almost entire day to fix it.
This is not right. It is outrageous. I do not remember ever
having such issues so often. Right now, I have all updates disabled
because I am just tired trying to just be able to use my PC.
The need to do better, and maybe it is time to look at hiring practices.
There is always a reason for quality issues. And it always has a name.

windows 10 breaks updates beacuse they are the same updates ... NEXT! ...

 

[maxxcool7421]

Too dumb to fix M$'s mistakes? This is why I switched to Linux, I'm smart enough to not participate in their nonsense and that's the only way to win these days. The only way to win is to not play their game. If you follow guides to fix their slop after every update then you're still playing their game.

ironic ... you now run linux that makes you fix everything in a command line..... NEXT!!!

 

[Watzupken]

Microsoft is reacting because Apple MacOS and Linux is slowly but surely chipping away at their market share. These alternative OS are starting to look more attractive while the push factor is too strong not to find an alternative OS. To me, one thing is very clear. People always mention about poor QC, but is it really because of poor QC or Microsoft don't care? I would suggest the latter because some of these bugs are so apparent that the folks from the insider program would have identified and informed MS. But instead of fixing them, Microsoft just release these broken updates anyway. The only things they want to focus on are the AI and telemetry stuff that don't seem to be broken by the updates. So will they finally address the issue? I still doubt it. It's in the company's KPI and culture to roll out garbage. The rot of the organization usually starts from the top of the house.