captaincranky
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Guess what? I certainly don't need your permission.These outrage harvesting posts always bring out the same characters. LOL
Hey, if you want to be on XP or 7, you do you.
Guess what? I certainly don't need your permission.These outrage harvesting posts always bring out the same characters. LOL
Hey, if you want to be on XP or 7, you do you.
Would you believe you can simply shut down updates altogether in Windows 7? (Without looking for some bullsh!t app to help you)?Windows update blocker.... turn off the updates and manually update critical updates only. End of Issue.
Yeah however you can not run windows 7 on much of the new hardware because there are no drivers available. I have a workstation for work 64core amd and no motherboards offer windows 7 support. So you gotta work with what you have. I have enough tools that can completely block windows 10 or 11 from communicating with microsoft servers. After some heavy modification windows 10 behaves like windows 7.Would you believe you can simply shut down updates altogether in Windows 7? (Without looking for some bullsh!t app to help you)?
Anyway, I'm going to sit around and wait for a hardware based TPM 3.0 and Windows 12 to come out, and render obsolete all the crap you had to buy for windows 11.
I dealt with that last night. I have this bizarre idea that I'd like to build a PC around the new Alder lake i3-12100. DDR-4 , and install Win 7. (I'm not as stuffy as some around here about not wanting a CPU that, "only has 4 cores")Yeah however you can not run windows 7 on much of the new hardware because there are no drivers available.
Here is a list of tools I use to get windows functioning semi normally.I dealt with that last night. I have this bizarre idea that I'd like to build a PC around the new Alder lake i3-12100. DDR-4 , and install Win 7. (I'm not as stuffy as some around here about not wanting a CPU that, "only has 4 cores")
I figure that that 13, is the equivalent of my i5-6600 plus hyper threading, for only about $130.00!
Well, none of the stock Intel drivers are compatible with win 7. I think I have the last versions for Win 7 in my Skylake rig. After which I found out that I would need a separate video card for 7. And good luck with that, right?
So, if it's any consolation, I may have to resort to Windows 10, and just keep my new toy, offline.
I've had Windows Update turned off for years. In fact I even escaped Windows GET WINDOWS 10 NOW, flash screens that everybody was bellyaching about. I always picked and chose what I'd let the mutts in Redmond install.
I finally did find a VPN that would work with 7, but as it turns out it had to be 7, SP-2. I'm thinking 7's last big update, consisted mostly of all the telemetry they wanted to stick people with in 10. So I passed.
That's not the point: If I pretty much have to manually update anyway then why can't I just turn off automatic updates? Not just "delay" them or "pick a time of the day" but an option to actually turn them completely off and let users who want to have finer control well, have it?You can still manually check for updates and install them on demand. Just tap the Windows key, type "update", and select "check for updates", and then click the button : - )
I assume the 8-hour threshold is if you're just letting updates happen automatically.
Its even worse. Windows updates have deleted personal files in tens of thousands of cases. bricks computers all the time again in tens of thousands of cases, plus they use your bandwidth to update other computers!!! lol No reason what so ever to have daily or weekly updates they suck. Block windows update completely.That's not the point: If I pretty much have to manually update anyway then why can't I just turn off automatic updates? Not just "delay" them or "pick a time of the day" but an option to actually turn them completely off and let users who want to have finer control well, have it?
You're missing the core argument in favor of automatic updates: They are sold to people as "You cannot afford not to get these updates it's very important for security reasons and unless we force them into your computer you wouldn't get them and blame us for security issues"
But as it turns out, the vast majority of systems will never get them in a timely fashion anyway since it takes such a ridiculous amount of continued usage. The norm is people owning laptops and using them for a couple hours at the time at the most then shutting them off, putting them on sleep mode, etc.
So the performance for people that do use their computers for 8 hours or more on a regular basis will be severely affected so why not let them turn off automatic updates completely off and manually handle them all at once periodically? Chances are if you use your PC that much then you know and can be assumed to be tech saavy enough to handle updates on your own.
All this shows isn't that manual updates aren't a good thing but that they make automatic updates unnecessary and wasteful since they don't even work as advertised for most people anyway. It's a failure all around.
I've run into the occasional brick instance on a Windohs update - once, one of my computers rebooted to a black screen with nothing visible except the mouse cursor and nothing that I was able to do would fix it.Its even worse. Windows updates have deleted personal files in tens of thousands of cases. bricks computers all the time again in tens of thousands of cases, plus they use your bandwidth to update other computers!!! lol No reason what so ever to have daily or weekly updates they suck. Block windows update completely.
As I see it, for power users, getting updates for security reasons is a non-issue.You're missing the core argument in favor of automatic updates: They are sold to people as "You cannot afford not to get these updates it's very important for security reasons and unless we force them into your computer you wouldn't get them and blame us for security issues"
If Windows 11 is anything to go by, Microsoft is actually accelerating into removing more and more control from power users altogether and becoming a shittier version of macos.As I see it, for power users, getting updates for security reasons is a non-issue.
That's the point exactly. Back when updates were optional, people didn't update. We have too many people who are either tech illiterate and wouldn't update, or tech savy and think they're too clever for security patches and wouldn't update. Microsoft isn't guessing at this outcome. They have many years of evidence for it.That's not the point: If I pretty much have to manually update anyway then why can't I just turn off automatic updates? Not just "delay" them or "pick a time of the day" but an option to actually turn them completely off and let users who want to have finer control well, have it?
You're missing the core argument in favor of automatic updates: They are sold to people as "You cannot afford not to get these updates it's very important for security reasons and unless we force them into your computer you wouldn't get them and blame us for security issues"
I don't know what you mean by "not get them in a timely manner" and your point about performance problems. Updates will download while your computer is in sleep states (unless you have a very old computer). My patch Tuesday update this morning required a simple reboot (~30 seconds) after my computer had been asleep all night.But as it turns out, the vast majority of systems will never get them in a timely fashion anyway since it takes such a ridiculous amount of continued usage. The norm is people owning laptops and using them for a couple hours at the time at the most then shutting them off, putting them on sleep mode, etc.
So the performance for people that do use their computers for 8 hours or more on a regular basis will be severely affected so why not let them turn off automatic updates completely off and manually handle them all at once periodically? Chances are if you use your PC that much then you know and can be assumed to be tech saavy enough to handle updates on your own.
Thanks for this. I even did a screen cap in your honor.Here is a list of tools I use to get windows functioning semi normally.
if you install windows 10 make sure its not connected to an internet connection then I install these
Windows update blocker
blackbird
Ashampoo_AntiSpy
DoNotSpy10
O&O shutup10
Destroy windows spying
WPD
You can then use Geek uninstaller to uninstall all of the windows Application store bullshit
Then use Classic shell to revert windows tool bar back to a more normal windows use
Exactly. All of this, article AND commentary, are assuming the user lacks the intelligence to simply ask Windows update to check for updates. Doing so, completely makes this a moot point and anybody who doesn't realize that probably needs to follow the old adage about putting it back in the box and sending it back to the manufacturer with a note saying "I am too stupid to own this".Just click check for updates button once a week?
This is actually funny, since the majority of big issues, like ransomware, shut down pipelines, and such, are attacks on systems supposedly fully patched, and run by so called "IT professionals"..Exactly. All of this, article AND commentary, are assuming the user lacks the intelligence to simply ask Windows update to check for updates. Doing so, completely makes this a moot point and anybody who doesn't realize that probably needs to follow the old adage about putting it back in the box and sending it back to the manufacturer with a note saying "I am too stupid to own this".
You know, personal security or data security doesn't begin, or end in cyberspace. If someone is stupid enough to rely on one computer for all their business dealings then you can patch it to death, and still wind up with it bricked by one of these "essential updates", or a zero date exploit that M$ might eventually get around to patching.That's the point exactly. Back when updates were optional, people didn't update. We have too many people who are either tech illiterate and wouldn't update, or tech savy and think they're too clever for security patches and wouldn't update. Microsoft isn't guessing at this outcome. They have many years of evidence for it.